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June 22, 2013, 06:47:55 PM |
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I agree. My model is deflation followed by hyperinflation. But don't underestimate the deflationary part of the cycle, it will be (and already is) intense.
Really? I'm still waiting to see prices dropping around me; or at least stop increasing.  It takes a while for falling prices to register in the PPIFGS, since the economy is such a lagging indicator. The thing I'm watching is the collapse in commodities, especially gold and silver. These types of declines are a precursor to falling prices throughout the economy, and we are at the correct time in the K-cycle for deflation (winter). We are very, very early in this new phase - heck, stocks only topped a few weeks ago! Give it time. |
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lucif (OP)
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June 22, 2013, 06:58:05 PM |
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There is a big mistake in common trader thinking. They think that gold derivatives === gold. They think wtf derivatives === wtf. This is not true. Derivatives destroyed absolutely any backing goods properties. Trader who buy "gold" doesn't really need gold. All he need is to sell this gold paper to another trader. He doesn't care about gold itself. This is fundamental vulnerability in economy. As well as another one: holder of WTF LLC papers can rent his papers to broker for short selling purposes. So holder of company papers is interested to play against his company. This is total cancer of economy. This is all invented only to manage this huge amount of free printed dollars. Manage those empty dollars circulation and dont let it stop. |
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June 22, 2013, 08:16:41 PM |
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Here in Canada the real-estate is still at an all time high.  Just watch bond rates and consequently mortgage rates. |
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June 22, 2013, 08:47:52 PM |
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Here in Canada the real-estate is still at an all time high. Just watch bond rates and consequently mortgage rates. Oh, I fully expect the mother of all crashes in real-estate to happen soon. I'm just saying I don't see deflation -- yet. |
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June 22, 2013, 09:17:14 PM |
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There is a big mistake in common trader thinking. They think that gold derivatives === gold. They think wtf derivatives === wtf. This is not true. Derivatives destroyed absolutely any backing goods properties. Trader who buy "gold" doesn't really need gold. All he need is to sell this gold paper to another trader. He doesn't care about gold itself. This is fundamental vulnerability in economy. As well as another one: holder of WTF LLC papers can rent his papers to broker for short selling purposes. So holder of company papers is interested to play against his company. This is total cancer of economy. This is all invented only to manage this huge amount of free printed dollars. Manage those empty dollars circulation and dont let it stop. So clear and true words, +10000 on this, lucif All the derivative financial products and this creating money out of thin air is a blatant scam and a cancer for the economy, but the saddest thing is that actually these types of scams are driving the world economy, they reached its core, and they have infected every bit of it. |
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June 22, 2013, 10:13:33 PM |
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Oh, I fully expect the mother of all crashes in real-estate to happen soon.
aye putting bonds and mortages on the sky level and removing any form of state borrow-welfare this have to big way to end bad 1) politicians invent a new type of enemy, terror and terrorism is getting old to keep Joe's in control 2) Joe's go bananas start to riot and elect some kind of communist+nazi+hippie politician for price controls and all the measures that destroy the economy |
Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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June 22, 2013, 10:18:58 PM |
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Oh, I fully expect the mother of all crashes in real-estate to happen soon.
aye putting bonds and mortages on the sky level and removing any form of state borrow-welfare this have to big way to end bad 1) politicians invent a new type of enemy, terror and terrorism is getting old to keep Joe's in control 2) Joe's go bananas start to riot and elect some kind of communist+nazi+hippie politician for price controls and all the measures that destroy the economy cybercrime |
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June 22, 2013, 11:20:40 PM |
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Oh, I fully expect the mother of all crashes in real-estate to happen soon.
aye putting bonds and mortages on the sky level and removing any form of state borrow-welfare this have to big way to end bad 1) politicians invent a new type of enemy, terror and terrorism is getting old to keep Joe's in control 2) Joe's go bananas start to riot and elect some kind of communist+nazi+hippie politician for price controls and all the measures that destroy the economy cybercrime these goddamn annoying people. |
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June 22, 2013, 11:35:24 PM |
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Oh, I fully expect the mother of all crashes in real-estate to happen soon.
aye putting bonds and mortages on the sky level and removing any form of state borrow-welfare this have to big way to end bad 1) politicians invent a new type of enemy, terror and terrorism is getting old to keep Joe's in control 2) Joe's go bananas start to riot and elect some kind of communist+nazi+hippie politician for price controls and all the measures that destroy the economy cybercrime these goddamn annoying people. Why should you care about the peasants out there? After all you are the new wealthy elite. Gentlemen! |
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
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June 22, 2013, 11:45:38 PM |
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Why should you care about the peasants out there?
After all you are the new wealthy elite.
Gentlemen!
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Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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June 23, 2013, 01:04:35 AM |
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... expecting price on the long way down to 30 or even more.
Agreed. And I thought I was bearish!  |
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lucif (OP)
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June 23, 2013, 05:47:07 PM |
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Bitcoin Foundation, lol!
However if they shut down that bunch of stupid vip nerds, who do nothing and receive donations, I probably will be a bit happy.
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
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June 23, 2013, 08:19:10 PM |
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Bitcoin Foundation, lol!
However if they shut down that bunch of stupid vip nerds, who do nothing and receive donations, I probably will be a bit happy.
remember is 3 weeks old stuff who did knew about this sold and took the USD long time ago CA State Cease and Desist May 30 |
Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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June 23, 2013, 08:19:20 PM |
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Bitcoin Foundation, lol!
However if they shut down that bunch of stupid vip nerds, who do nothing and receive donations, I probably will be a bit happy.
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fr33d0miz3r
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June 23, 2013, 08:19:58 PM |
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Bitcoin Foundation, lol!
However if they shut down that bunch of stupid vip nerds, who do nothing and receive donations, I probably will be a bit happy.
remember is 3 weeks old stuff who did knew about this sold and took the USD long time ago CA State Cease and Desist May 30 fucking insiders |
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June 23, 2013, 08:26:50 PM |
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Bitcoin Foundation, lol!
However if they shut down that bunch of stupid vip nerds, who do nothing and receive donations, I probably will be a bit happy.
remember is 3 weeks old stuff who did knew about this sold and took the USD long time ago CA State Cease and Desist May 30 looks like big guys want get on train :-) |
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Crypt_Current
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June 24, 2013, 04:32:26 AM |
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Why should you care about the peasants out there?
After all you are the new wealthy elite.
Gentlemen!
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Lohoris
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June 24, 2013, 09:46:12 AM |
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There is a big mistake in common trader thinking. They think that gold derivatives === gold. They think wtf derivatives === wtf.
This is not true. Derivatives destroyed absolutely any backing goods properties. Trader who buy "gold" doesn't really need gold. All he need is to sell this gold paper to another trader. He doesn't care about gold itself. This is fundamental vulnerability in economy. As well as another one: holder of WTF LLC papers can rent his papers to broker for short selling purposes. So holder of company papers is interested to play against his company.
This is total cancer of economy. This is all invented only to manage this huge amount of free printed dollars. Manage those empty dollars circulation and dont let it stop.
I'm sorry, I'm no economist, but with my very limited knowledge — please correct me if I'm wrong — this sounds like total bullshit. As long as a derivative/passthrough isn't a scam and can be really redeemed with the good that backs it, then what you said isn't true. If instead it is a scam and isn't really backed, then well a scam is a scam is a scam. Short-selling is simply betting in a stock going down: since you can bet in a stock going up, it is perfectly natural to be able to do the opposite. |
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June 24, 2013, 10:20:43 AM |
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There is a big mistake in common trader thinking. They think that gold derivatives === gold. They think wtf derivatives === wtf.
This is not true. Derivatives destroyed absolutely any backing goods properties. Trader who buy "gold" doesn't really need gold. All he need is to sell this gold paper to another trader. He doesn't care about gold itself. This is fundamental vulnerability in economy. As well as another one: holder of WTF LLC papers can rent his papers to broker for short selling purposes. So holder of company papers is interested to play against his company.
This is total cancer of economy. This is all invented only to manage this huge amount of free printed dollars. Manage those empty dollars circulation and dont let it stop.
As long as a derivative/passthrough isn't a scam and can be really redeemed with the good that backs it, then what you said isn't true. If instead it is a scam and isn't really backed, then well a scam is a scam is a scam. It can't |
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