22 Kids Stabbed At School In China

[RodeoX]

Try locking your door at night.

The guys in cell block D are going to find this part especially funny. 

[Inaba]

Steelcase Leap Ergonomic

Door locks are to keep honest people honest.  They do nothing to deter dishonest people.

Yes they do. Nice try, though.

Uh... no they don't.  Can you tell me how your puny little door lock will stop my foot?  The door frame to your house is made of wood... oh what's that?  You have a metal door frame and a reinforced slide on the door?  That doesn't stop a 40lb door ram (there's a reason police use it to bust down doors).  But seriously, why bother with a door when there's 1/8" of glass keeping people out of a structure?  Any handy rock will take care of that problem.

Subtly you say?  The lock picking link above is good... a credit card works fine unless you have a deadbolt on, then just resort to lock picking.

I'm going to make a guess here: You think that having more lights (streetlights, porch light, etc...) in your neighborhood is a good thing and makes your neighborhood safer, too, right?

Door locks do nothing but keep honest people honest.

You're like myrkul. He and I already had this conversation. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's the norm. And regarding credit cards - did you learn that from TV shows? LOL, you're an idiot.

Not the norm?  Of course it is... most people are honest.  Dishonest people are not the "norm" if you define the "norm" as a majority of people.  Those are the people we are talking about, and those are the ones that door locks don't stop.  Do you think people in less affluent neighborhoods have 5 or 6 door locks for decoration, or is it to keep people out, because door locks don't stop people?  Do you think those same people have bars on their window because the door locks work?  No, because the window is a weak point and dishonest people will not be deterred by 1/8" of glass. 

Most door locks in suburbia America (not deadbolts) can be defeated with a credit card.  You can choose to disbelieve that, but even spending 2 minutes jimmying your front door with a credit card will tell you how incredibly deluded you appear to be.  Got to get in fast without leaving a trace of evidence?

http://www.lockpickshop.com/LOCKAID.html $50 bucks, you'll never know someone picked your lock, and it only took a few seconds.

Got a few more bucks and don't want to go through the trouble of that pesky "squeeze and release" motion a few times?   http://www.lockpickshop.com/E500XT.html  only $169.

95% of locks are a joke, especially on suburban households.  The tolerances on the tumblers in your locks on your front door (deadbolt included) are so incredibly sloppy that I could manually pick them in under a minute.  The more expensive locks take longer, but using a $169 tool will defeat even the best quality single sided tumbler lock in minutes to seconds.

It's called security theater, Google it.  I bet you think the TSA is keeping you safe, too, right?

[meowmeowbrowncow]

How about this.


Name things that would not be possible by withholding guns from the public.  Rank them in order of importance.

[myrkul]

Name things that would not be possible by withholding guns from the public.  Rank them in order of importance.

Better idea. Ask yourself "how?"

How are you going to withhold guns from the public?

[Axios]

How about this.


Name things that would not be possible by withholding guns from the public.

Pick a country. But if you pick like Soviet Union, where gun ownership was very restrictive and hand guns were very limited. Getting shot a by a gun was very rare.

When then Soviet Union fell, the crime went up.

It's pretty proven that gun control works with an adequate police/military force. Someone already pointed out Singapore that one of the lowest violent crimes in the world.

[Axios]

How are you going to withhold guns from the public?

You don't make them. Period. Wow. That's A FREAKING AWESOME idea.

LOLs.

[Brunic]

How are you going to withhold guns from the public?

You don't make them. Period. Wow. That's A FREAKING AWESOME idea.

LOLs.

It's impossible to do. Selling guns is profitable, so they are going to be made, whatever happens. It's the same thing with drugs, selling them is profitable, so they are going to be made. You cannot stop people from doing that.

[Axios]

It's impossible to do. Selling guns is profitable, so they are going to be made, whatever happens. It's the same thing with drugs, selling them is profitable, so they are going to be made. You cannot stop people from doing that.

It's possible if you reduce production only to military/police force. Singapore/USSR are examples. USA is over-saturated with guns.

A school teacher had an arsenal of weapons with a mentally sick child.... Wow that's a recipe for a disaster. She was so retarded.

Now imagine - myrkul has a mentally sick child. myrkul has a gun at home, this child takes that gun and kills 20 children.

Who's responsible?

edit: This response is somewhat afflicted by myrkul's idea of distributing nuclear weapons to mentally ill people. Military has policies in place that have have prevented a nuclear war for the last 50 years, civilians don't.

[FirstAscent]

Do you think people in less affluent neighborhoods have 5 or 6 door locks for decoration, or is it to keep people out, because door locks don't stop people?  Do you think those same people have bars on their window because the door locks work?  No, because the window is a weak point and dishonest people will not be deterred by 1/8" of glass. 

Thank you for dismissing your case. If the techniques described above were not effective, then they wouldn't be employed. They work, because they deter.

[Freja]

I hope I won't be banned for saying this, but I think the USA is a totally sick and perverted country. These almost weekly massacres are just one of many symptoms of a society that is completely twisted and out of control. The sick minds of these killers reflect the state of the nation's economy, politics and horrible foreign policy.

As for this event in China -- Attacks are a lot less common there. Plus, you can't achieve the same results with a knife.
They have their fair share of problems with corruption, poverty and what not. But they mind their own business and their culture is not quite as sick as that of the USA.

I hope that nothing like this will ever happen again, in China or the USA.  But if the profits of the weapons industry are more important than saving all the innocent lives that are taken in vain, daily in the USA, then what can you even say?!

[Brunic]

It's impossible to do. Selling guns is profitable, so they are going to be made, whatever happens. It's the same thing with drugs, selling them is profitable, so they are going to be made. You cannot stop people from doing that.

It's possible if you reduce production only to military/police force. Singapore/USSR are examples. USA is over-saturated with guns.

A school teacher had an arsenal of weapons with a mentally sick child.... Wow that's a recipe for a disaster. She was so retarded.

Now imagine - myrkul has a mentally sick child. myrkul has a gun at home, this child takes that gun and kills 20 children.

Who's responsible?

Oh, you don't need to convince me, I'm living in Canada and I'm pretty damn happy about the gun control laws we have here.  

You can control the network distribution of guns though, by using laws to hinder the free market of guns. You can't tell to a business to stop producing M-16, but if you make laws that prevent the free market of M-16, it's going to force down the production anyway. But you cannot outlaw the production of guns, because it's going to do the same effect as the current drug war, costly and ineffective.

As for your case of sick child, you can't blame the parents. A mentally ill child need a lot more resources than parents can provide. It's the job of the community and the society as a whole to treat mentally ill people. It's a problem that can't be solved on an individual scale. Guns are just the visible part of the iceberg, the problem goes a lot more deeper than that. The only problem with guns is that it's a too powerful tool to hold for many people. It's a specialist tool, not a general everyday tool. When a sick person get hold easily of a tool that powerful, well, you get the annual USA mass shooting that feel almost like a daily show.

"Two kids shoots in a school"
"Another mass shooting, in a theater near you!"
"A new mass shooting, better and ever, now with kids less than 10 years old! Inside exclusive interview with a 7-years old that lost TWO of his friends!"

You also have the NRA board of clowns approval that goes on TV and say "oh look at our great quality guns! Kids are instantly dead, our weapons are so efficient. People, you need MOAAR weapons so you can be the next hero that shoot the shooter before he kills the kids!"

[myrkul]

It's impossible to do. Selling guns is profitable, so they are going to be made, whatever happens. It's the same thing with drugs, selling them is profitable, so they are going to be made. You cannot stop people from doing that.

It's possible if you reduce production only to military/police force.

And when a criminal wants a gun, he just has to kill a cop.

[FirstAscent]

It's impossible to do. Selling guns is profitable, so they are going to be made, whatever happens. It's the same thing with drugs, selling them is profitable, so they are going to be made. You cannot stop people from doing that.

It's possible if you reduce production only to military/police force.

And when a criminal wants a gun, he just has to kill a cop.

Which is harder (and obviously would not be as frequent) as buying one in a store or in some back alley. Another stupid rare occurrence example masquerading as an argument from the resident forum propaganda consumer and spreader.

[Axios]

because it's going to do the same effect as the current drug war, costly and ineffective.

I would disagree with this one. Producing hand guns require precision machinery, drugs do not.

It's a specialist tool, not a general everyday tool. When a sick person get hold easily of a tool that powerful, well, you get the annual USA mass shooting that feel almost like a daily show.

I haven't formed my opinion about guns yet. I may say sound anti gun, but I just never needed one.

But you're right forbidding guns may be a bad idea, but requiring insurance is a good one. If an insurance company would discover that a child was sick they would hike the insurance rate. And if parents would hide that they would be personally liable.

I want a mandatory insurance on each gun, similar like car insurance.

[Axios]

And when a criminal wants a gun, he just has to kill a cop.

Correct. But killing a trained person who has a gun with just a knife would require special circumstances. And it still controls inflow of weapons to criminals.

Giving an another thought: I prefer to fight crime through society enrichment. But still I wouldn't give any WMD to civilians.

edit: As I pointed out and you did: there is no correlation between gun ownership and crime, unless a country is under total totalitarian control.

[myrkul]

It's impossible to do. Selling guns is profitable, so they are going to be made, whatever happens. It's the same thing with drugs, selling them is profitable, so they are going to be made. You cannot stop people from doing that.

It's possible if you reduce production only to military/police force.

And when a criminal wants a gun, he just has to kill a cop.

Which is harder (and obviously would not be as frequent) as buying one in a store or in some back alley. Another stupid rare occurrence example masquerading as an argument from the resident forum propaganda consumer and spreader.

And the back-alley deals wouldn't happen?

By making guns something only police and criminals have, you will have made guns into what you fear they are: nearly every time one is used (including home-built zipguns), it is to end someone's life... usually because they had a gun.

Is that really the world you want to live in?

Correct. But killing a trained person who has a gun with just a knife would require special circumstances. And it still controls inflow of weapons to criminals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_firearm
Make a gun to get a gun.

You gonna outlaw pipe fixtures, too?

[Axios]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_firearm
Make a gun to get a gun.

You gonna outlaw pipe fixtures, too?

Irrelevant. These guns are a hazard to the shooter. Guns require precision machinery.

[myrkul]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_firearm
Make a gun to get a gun.

You gonna outlaw pipe fixtures, too?

Irrelevant. These guns are a hazard to the shooter. Guns require precision machinery.

That's why you use this gun to kill someone who has a better one. And if you don't think that's exactly what happens, think again.

[TheButterZone]

Plus, you can't achieve the same results with a knife.

You can achieve much worse results with a knife, as they are silent and don't draw immediate attention of people who can put an end to the killing. There is a quite apparent lack of intent to kill in China, as knives are NOT less lethal than guns if both are in the hands of the unskilled. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight... unless you don't plan to be a moron and wave it around screaming before you try to kill dozens of people with it.

[FirstAscent]

Is that really the world you want to live in?

I want to live in a world where people don't collect and shoot assault rifles on their weekends and cry like babies if that right is threatened, thus reducing demand, thus reducing supply, thus reducing people from having them, thus reducing people who use them to shoot other people.

I want to live in a world where conspiracy believing weirdos who are anti-government, anti-tax, and anti-gun-control are actually intelligent enough to realize all the NRA manufactured memes are factually and logically incomplete, and would just shut the fuck up, so the rest of us don't have to witness these tragedies due to their wacko fetish desires.