22 Kids Stabbed At School In China

[TheButterZone]

Even if you could prove anything you claim, the criminals' utopias achieved outside of the U.S. (and even some in the U.S.) by "gun control" (making sure only criminals, and many minutes-away cops have the most effective tool for self-defense) cannot be justified by having allegedly lower murder rates (especially if government criminals redefine justifiable homicide in defense of innocents as "murder", and summary execution as "suicide").

[cunicula]

In 2010, Automobile accidents claimed 32,885 lives. Is being able to travel at 70 miles per hour worth 32,000 lives per year?

That is a good question. Automobiles impose costs on society and therefore should be taxed at a punitive rate to discourage excessive use. Here in Singapore the costs of purchasing a Honda Civic are in the neighborhood of USD$150,000. Part of this is tax. All cars are taxed at 200%. There is also purchase of entitlement to own an automobile (~$30,000).  There is also purchase of the entitlement to drive which is about $20,000 per year if you want to be able to drive during peak hours (much cheaper for an off peak license).

These are excellent moves. Cars cause external harm and therefore call for punitive taxation.

Guns should also be heavily taxed (e.g. there is one paper which suggests that $600/gun is an appropriate tax rate).

[Rassah]

I'll just leave this here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

[Rassah]

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude.

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

[FirstAscent]

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude.

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

[Rassah]

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude.

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

[FirstAscent]

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude.

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

You don't want restaurants to have knives for meal preparation? What about in your kitchen?

[Rassah]

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude.

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

You don't want restaurants to have knives for meal preparation? What about in your kitchen?

Chopsticks.

[TheButterZone]

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?353040-Is-it-possible-to-kill-effectively-with-chopsticks&s=5b3f5787d9a045e4528ffefb3877308d

My brother owns stainless steel ones, too. Wood, metal, plastic and composites, even flesh are all effective weapons. Let's just watch as government sociopaths hack off everyone's limbs before the inevitable genocide.

[Distribution]

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude.

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

You don't want restaurants to have knives for meal preparation? What about in your kitchen?

I believe he's referring to the long pointy knives which are solely intended for stabbing and have no place in the kitchen. As far as I know, the UK is the only place that is addressing this problem. We could prevent a lot more deaths and far more injuries by outlawing these vicious instruments.

[FirstAscent]

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude.

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

You don't want restaurants to have knives for meal preparation? What about in your kitchen?

I believe he's referring to the long pointy knives which are solely intended for stabbing and have no place in the kitchen. As far as I know, the UK is the only place that is addressing this problem. We could prevent a lot more deaths and far more injuries by outlawing these vicious instruments.

So you're in favor of such measures? That's great. And that certainly does not preclude gun control, but complements it. Glad you're on board.

[bitster]

How about its no ones business what type of knifes a person owns. The owner need not explain to anyone why he owns it and the answer "because i like it" should suffice!

[FirstAscent]

How about its no ones business what type of knifes a person owns. The owner need not explain to anyone why he owns it and the answer "because i like it" should suffice!

Let's at least focus on gun control then, since we have proven models of effectiveness in many other countries.

[blablahblah]

At a rough estimate, the US would have to reduce its domestic gun ownership by about 25 times* to bring it down to Switzerland's levels.

*Already corrected for population size.

[Rassah]

After we're done with knives, don't forget sticks. In Kendo, we use long bamboo sticks to represent swords during sparring matches, and without the heavy steel and fiberglass padded armor that we have to wear, those sticks can very easily break bones and cave in heads.

[TECSHARE]

In 2010, Automobile accidents claimed 32,885 lives. Is being able to travel at 70 miles per hour worth 32,000 lives per year?

That is a good question. Automobiles impose costs on society and therefore should be taxed at a punitive rate to discourage excessive use. Here in Singapore the costs of purchasing a Honda Civic are in the neighborhood of USD$150,000. Part of this is tax. All cars are taxed at 200%. There is also purchase of entitlement to own an automobile (~$30,000).  There is also purchase of the entitlement to drive which is about $20,000 per year if you want to be able to drive during peak hours (much cheaper for an off peak license).

These are excellent moves. Cars cause external harm and therefore call for punitive taxation.

Guns should also be heavily taxed (e.g. there is one paper which suggests that $600/gun is an appropriate tax rate).

The problem with this is only the rich can afford to defend themselves. people living in low income areas would not only be the most numerous demographic, but also the most likely to need a firearm for self defense. If you need to get somewhere and don't own a car, you can carpool, get on a bus, or call a taxi. If you are being attacked and you don't have a gun you are a victim, and if the police show up it most of the time it will only be to fill out paperwork if you are lucky enough to be alive.

[TECSHARE]

Most people are lemmings hence so few of them lead meaningful lives or achieve anything.

Feel free to post some charts and graphs that correlate meaningful life to gun ownership. For that matter, feel free to post some charts and graphs that correlate life expectancy with gun ownership.

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