Customs! How much did they ripped off your miner at your country?

[Oh My Rig!]

Well respected rig owners... Before you cut the box and smell fresh hashes:-) - how much fees did you paid for your very own miner at the customs? And how did they named that stuff? Not sure if any of them put Bitcoin Miners to the goods databases .. If someone have happyended story how to save money on customs - please share for others in your country as it could be for sure very, very useful for all of us. In fact near HALF hashrate some people simply presented as a gift to the customs guys...

Update: Thanks for all of you for this information! After getting few more countries i gonna wrap this all info into the one table for more easy access. Sure many of those who just on their way to order new miners will thanks for it. But for now please, don't stop - if your country is not yet in the list, dont forget to reply! We need to know how is YOUR customs hungry . Thanks!

Update 2: Please, to simplify understanding for others, kindly use percentage not just amounts. Total amount  that you paid out, then delivery fees (good also, but not necessary). Then - how much in percents you did overpaid for your miner. Thanks!

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[Tupsu]

In estonia is the e‑Tax Board/ e‑Customs environment  and and each company and private person can submit their Custom declaration by himself.
http://www.emta.ee/?lang=en

So I pay from  miners and PSU-s only 20% VAT and pay nothing  a courier company.

If you do not want to declare themselves, then you can use courier companies for Custom declaration. UPS and DHL take about 20 eur for that.



Come to Estonian e-resident and maybe pay less  
https://e-estonia.com/e-residents/about/

List of VAT Rates in EU

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf

[Matias]

There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.

I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).

Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.

[extrabyte]

I have quitted mining for a long time but when i bought one it was more than 19% which cut my dream to make profit from mining at home.

[notlist3d]

Who are you referring to as "they"?  I see it as the country causing these crazy fee's as it's their law's/import taxes.     

I know some view companies as but guy for not shipping lower.  Just curious if this is pointed twords the companies or countries as the "they"?

[fr4nkthetank]

I got charged 15%, for canada in quebec province.  it was listed as "bitcoin miner" on the duties invoice

[VirosaGITS]

I got charged 15%, for canada in quebec province.  it was listed as "bitcoin miner" on the duties invoice

I got %7 to 13% so far. (Same location) I'm not sure how the carriers handle it. It seem like sometime i pay more, sometime i pay less. I'm not sure if its because they were labeled differently (did not pay attention) or the carrier handled it differently.

[dodziu]

10% GST + 1% service fee in Australia

[pinhead666]

Here in Finland it's 24% vat (calculated from miner's price+shipping). If I declare it myself I don't have to pay courier company any fees. And if I let them to declare it, they charge me about 20€ more. Pretty much same than Estonia, but we have higher vat. Taric code I've used is that 8471410090 and I put it as a bitcoin miner.

[marvykkio]

but the miners are not classified as hardware?

[Matias]

but the miners are not classified as hardware?

What is your question? Bitmainers clearly are hardware.

Main class
SECTION XVI MACHINERY AND MECHANICAL APPLIANCES; ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT; PARTS THEREOF; SOUND RECORDERS AND REPRODUCERS, TELEVISION IMAGE AND SOUND RECORDERS AND REPRODUCERS, AND PARTS AND ACCESSORIES OF SUCH ARTICLES

sub class  

 Automatic data-processing machines and units thereof; magnetic or optical readers, machines for transcribing data onto data media in coded form and machines for processing such data, not elsewhere specified or included

and subsubclass

-   Comprising in the same housing at least a central processing unit and an input and output unit, whether or not combined :  

 Code is 8471 41 00 90

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Taric=8471410090&Lang=en&GoodsText=&Domain=TARIC&MeasText=&Offset=0&Area=&ShowMatchingGoods=&ExpandAll=&callbackuri=CBU-4&LangDescr=en&SimDate=20160104

Here you can see its import duty in different countries. It is 0% almost everywhere. But you need to pay VAT e.g. in EU.

http://www.dutycalculator.com/dc/184902464/computers-office/laptops-pcs-tablets/servers/import-duty-rate-for-importing-8471-41-00-90--from-united-kingdom-to-norway-is-0/

[pinhead666]

but the miners are not classified as hardware?

I have worked at the customs. I had to learn to use TARIC. That code is right.

[marvykkio]

This morning I received the email from bitmain, that the goods have been shipped, I said right away that value had declared to customs.
I'm waiting for about six hours and no one answers me

[anamichii]

in indonesia, i must pay at least  10% sales tax, and 15%(CIFD) Income Tax.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

In the US I know that under a claimed value of $2500 there is no Duty or Tax to be paid with goods shipped from China.

I always use UPS and only once was I charged a brokerage fee ($40). Why that one time charge I have no idea as over the past couple years I've gotten several dozen Ants with no fees charged. However, that was when the ordered equipment value was under $2k.

I just placed an order to Bitmain for 2 more s7's and with shipping total is $2545 so I'll soon know if that changes.

[toptek]

In the US I know that under a claimed value of $2500 there is no Duty or Tax to be paid with goods shipped from China.

I always use UPS and only once was I charged a brokerage fee ($40). Why that one time charge I have no idea as over the past couple years I've gotten several dozen Ants with no fees charged. However, that was when the ordered equipment value was under $2k.

I just placed an order to Bitmain for 2 more s7's and with shipping total is $2545 so I'll soon know if that changes.

want a bet or watch which shipper you use or you may be charge a small a mount . i had it happen , in the US from bitmain or china .!!! then told i had to pay it !!! then told i didnt have to then charged any way . so watch the shipper you use mainly don't use FEDEX if it comes from china you may get a hidden bill for custom fees and taxes from them they claim they paid that was for one S5 i used FedEx to save on shipping bad idea , i have also ordered with ups or a few with ups shipping have yet to get any hidden bills or surprise bills, so for me, i will just pay the 10 so more for shipping and no hidden bills.

This might help some.

I learned fast the hard way http://x2t.com/423597

PS: if they do pay some thing on your behalf as they call it.they will also charge you a fee for doing it on top of the real so called fee then lie to you.

[-droid-]

im in the US and have had 2 UPS shipments for single s7's charged a $39 customs brokerage fee.. both times were in a span of a few months so its weird

[Gornidah]

Here in Portugal I've paid 23% VAT of the total batch 8 price.
Plus 69EURO for DHL "customs services" + 3.72Euro(customs storage for one day) + VAT of those = 72Euro.  

[toptek]

im in the US and have had 2 UPS shipments for single s7's charged a $39 customs brokerage fee.. both times were in a span of a few months so its weird

Can't say i haven't been able to afford a S7, i don't do it to make money, it's mostly for fun and keep me sane ,and  yea for some cash maybe get back i put in to it . i know if i want to make any thing i need like 30 to 40 miners running some place either in my home or some data center some place to actually make anything over what i put in to it .

but yea it is strange how you get a bill for imports in the US with no real reason why other then some one messed up and we have to eat there mistake. is all i can think .

[marvykkio]

Value 3X S7 batch8 = 3696.74 USD delivery included

Value declared by bitmain = 3701,43 USD

$ 100 more? insurance???


Now wait for the Italian customs calling me to pay all taxes

[Oh My Rig!]

There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.

I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).

Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.

Well then you should be pretty sure you paid it ready while purchasing EU-assembled miners with the chinese parts;-)... So there is actual question inspite of how it is named - how much do they overpay for their miners to the gov. Looks like when you pay VAT you paying for your miner twice as the company assembling your hardware ready paid same VAT for the parts that they ordered from China right? Or maybe i misunderstanding EU customs law - please correct if so.

[Oh My Rig!]

Who are you referring to as "they"?  I see it as the country causing these crazy fee's as it's their law's/import taxes.     

I know some view companies as but guy for not shipping lower.  Just curious if this is pointed twords the companies or countries as the "they"?

Well when i talking "they" i mean all involved sides of that exciting (for everyone except miners) tax games . Sure everyone want to know how to pay less for their hardware, so everyone want to let "them" get LESS from your very own BTC-baking masterpiece. Whoever they be, govs, or companies who incorrectly doing paperwork, or deilvery guys who sometimes prefer to get what they not deserve to get.

[Oh My Rig!]

in indonesia, i must pay at least  10% sales tax, and 15%(CIFD) Income Tax.

OMG that's forking 25% in total! 1/4 times of mining time stretch, additional one difficulty update, more amortized cost etc... So pity.

[Oh My Rig!]

Value 3X S7 batch8 = 3696.74 USD delivery included

Value declared by bitmain = 3701,43 USD

$ 100 more? insurance???


Now wait for the Italian customs calling me to pay all taxes

Please keep updating about your situation, hope you'll get your hardware soon!

[Tupsu]

Value 3X S7 batch8 = 3696.74 USD delivery included

Value declared by bitmain = 3701,43 USD

$ 100 more? insurance???


Now wait for the Italian customs calling me to pay all taxes

   3701,43USD
-  3696,74USD
......................
            4 ,69 USD

How do you get 100 USD ?

[marvykkio]

Value 3X S7 batch8 = 3696.74 USD delivery included

Value declared by bitmain = 3701,43 USD

$ 100 more? insurance???


Now wait for the Italian customs calling me to pay all taxes

   3701,43USD
-  3696,74USD
......................
            4 ,69 USD

How do you get 100 USD ?

tapsu you're right, I did not do the calculation

[marvykkio]

cmq because the miners are not considered hardware? since it belongs to this category should not we pay them customs duty, it charges,

I only VAT

[marvykkio]

I checked the tracking, I am in transit in Dubai

when it arrives in Italy milan, I'm afraid to pick up the phone jajajajaj

[Matias]

cmq because the miners are not considered hardware? since it belongs to this category should not we pay them customs duty, it charges,

I only VAT

No custom duty, but you pay VAT, whis is in Italy 22%, if I remember correctly.

[Matias]

There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.

I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).

Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.

Well then you should be pretty sure you paid it ready while purchasing EU-assembled miners with the chinese parts;-)... So there is actual question inspite of how it is named - how much do they overpay for their miners to the gov. Looks like when you pay VAT you paying for your miner twice as the company assembling your hardware ready paid same VAT for the parts that they ordered from China right? Or maybe i misunderstanding EU customs law - please correct if so.

If I would import mining hardware parts from China to Finland with 1000 euros I would pay 24% VAT in Finland, so 240 euros. If I then later would assembly complete miner from those parts and sell it with 1100 euros, I would need to calculate 24% VAt from it, which is 264 euros. Retail price would be 1100 + 24% VAT 264 euros = 1364 euros.

But now comes important part: I can subtract already paid 240 from that 264, so actually I would pay more VAT only 24 euros. So we don't pay VAT more than once, because every company can subract from selling VAT that VAT, what they already have paid themselves.  

VAT is Value Added Tax. Because by assembling complete miner from parts I added value 100 euros, 24% is actually calculated from that 100 euros, i.e. 24 euros.

VAT is better system than sales tax systems which is used in many countries outside EU. In sales tax you can't subract taxes you have already paid yourself and that leads to the multiplying of tax in each step.

[goxed]

I paid ~USD160 (duties + facilitation fees) on the S7 B7 imported to Swiss.

[wh00per]

13% HST in Toronto + $15.00 CAD brokerage fee cheap

[Oh My Rig!]

I paid ~USD160 (duties + facilitation fees) on the S7 B7 imported to Swiss.

Thanks, but please, in percentage. How much did you paid for your Antminer - 1800 in USD equivalent? If so you now mostly champion with the lowest fees to the gov)) - less than 10%?

[morantis]

Is this an issue?  Technically it is a computer, is there a high import tax on computers?

[Oh My Rig!]

13% HST in Toronto + $15.00 CAD brokerage fee cheap

Yep agree - what miner do you have? Will you recommend to use brokerage in Canada or do it all yourself?

[Oh My Rig!]

There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.

I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).

Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.

Well then you should be pretty sure you paid it ready while purchasing EU-assembled miners with the chinese parts;-)... So there is actual question inspite of how it is named - how much do they overpay for their miners to the gov. Looks like when you pay VAT you paying for your miner twice as the company assembling your hardware ready paid same VAT for the parts that they ordered from China right? Or maybe i misunderstanding EU customs law - please correct if so.

If I would import mining hardware parts from China to Finland with 1000 euros I would pay 24% VAT in Finland, so 240 euros. If I then later would assembly complete miner from those parts and sell it with 1100 euros, I would need to calculate 24% VAt from it, which is 264 euros. Retail price would be 1100 + 24% VAT 264 euros = 1364 euros.

But now comes important part: I can subtract already paid 240 from that 264, so actually I would pay more VAT only 24 euros. So we don't pay VAT more than once, because every company can subract from selling VAT that VAT, what they already have paid themselves.  

VAT is Value Added Tax. Because by assembling complete miner from parts I added value 100 euros, 24% is actually calculated from that 100 euros, i.e. 24 euros.

VAT is better system than sales tax systems which is used in many countries outside EU. In sales tax you can't subract taxes you have already paid yourself and that leads to the multiplying of tax in each step.

So what will you recommend for all those who live in the contries with VAT taxation system? Order parts and then assemble it yourself? But how did you calculated completed miner price, i mean paperwork? Is there any way to change it how do you think?

[morantis]

Maybe not assemble it per se, but the miner I have has a base CPU board and I think ten boards in that board.  You could have them send a board in an envelope.  The biggest parts are the fan and the power supply, but you can get those anywhere cheap.  All you would be doing is plugging the parallel boards into the main board and attaching the fan/fans and power supply, plus dealing with a chassis.  It would be less than an hour work and anyone can do it.  While this is not ideal, you just paid yourself $40 an hour to build it.

[marvykkio]

Good morning,
with a shipment number with AWB, the amount of duties to be paid to the carrier 'of €
 
AWB 6497-9214-7502 IPFS N Y / N Stn CT
                                           
      --description ------------ Amt Euro

      Administrative rights 12.50

      duty 129.65

      VAT 810.07

      Revenue stamp 2.00
                                           
                                           
                                           
                TOTAL AMOUNT -> 954.22
 
 
 
This amount may 'be paid on delivery

[Tupsu]

Good morning,
with a shipment number with AWB, the amount of duties to be paid to the carrier 'of €
 
AWB 6497-9214-7502 IPFS N Y / N Stn CT
                                           
      --description ------------ Amt Euro

      Administrative rights 12.50

      duty 129.65

      VAT 810.07

      Revenue stamp 2.00
                                           
                                           
                                           
                TOTAL AMOUNT -> 954.22
  
This amount may 'be paid on delivery

You chosed a cheaper  carrier- FEDEX- But still you pay more, than with others.  UPS or DHL.

If you broker have declared with the correct code, it would not be necessary to pay 3.7% duty 129.65  Not even in Italy .
 

[marvykkio]

I know, in fact I want to call the customs code to make me say that they put

[marvykkio]

I'm waiting for an operator is free to chat with me

[marvykkio]

I finished speaking with an operator, and told me that they are subject to pay customs duty because bitmain said code taric dutiable
8543709099


I opened a survey, please go to vote,
to see if the duty to pay it touches the law or not,
and if bitmain applies to all users the same code taric


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1318137.0

[Tupsu]

I finished speaking with an operator, and told me that they are subject to pay customs duty because bitmain said code taric dutiable
8543709099


I opened a survey, please go to vote,
to see if the duty to pay it touches the law or not,
and if bitmain applies to all users the same code taric


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1318137.0

code 8543709099

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8543709099&LangDescr=en

code 8471410090

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8471410090&LangDescr=en

[marvykkio]

I finished speaking with an operator, and told me that they are subject to pay customs duty because bitmain said code taric dutiable
8543709099


I opened a survey, please go to vote,
to see if the duty to pay it touches the law or not,
and if bitmain applies to all users the same code taric


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1318137.0

code 8543709099

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8543709099&LangDescr=en

code 8471410090

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8471410090&LangDescr=en

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20160107&Taric=8471410090&LangDescr=en

[Subw]

How much did they ripped off your miner at your country?

Zero. Actually I'm ripping them off =D

[marvykkio]

pls

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1318137.0

[QuintLeo]

USA - small sample size (one order of S5s) but nothing taken by customs.

[Matias]

There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.

I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).

Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.

Well then you should be pretty sure you paid it ready while purchasing EU-assembled miners with the chinese parts;-)... So there is actual question inspite of how it is named - how much do they overpay for their miners to the gov. Looks like when you pay VAT you paying for your miner twice as the company assembling your hardware ready paid same VAT for the parts that they ordered from China right? Or maybe i misunderstanding EU customs law - please correct if so.

If I would import mining hardware parts from China to Finland with 1000 euros I would pay 24% VAT in Finland, so 240 euros. If I then later would assembly complete miner from those parts and sell it with 1100 euros, I would need to calculate 24% VAt from it, which is 264 euros. Retail price would be 1100 + 24% VAT 264 euros = 1364 euros.

But now comes important part: I can subtract already paid 240 from that 264, so actually I would pay more VAT only 24 euros. So we don't pay VAT more than once, because every company can subract from selling VAT that VAT, what they already have paid themselves.  

VAT is Value Added Tax. Because by assembling complete miner from parts I added value 100 euros, 24% is actually calculated from that 100 euros, i.e. 24 euros.

VAT is better system than sales tax systems which is used in many countries outside EU. In sales tax you can't subract taxes you have already paid yourself and that leads to the multiplying of tax in each step.

So what will you recommend for all those who live in the contries with VAT taxation system? Order parts and then assemble it yourself? But how did you calculated completed miner price, i mean paperwork? Is there any way to change it how do you think?

There's no way to trickt the system legally. I just meant, that you don't pay VAT again, if you sell it, bacause you subtract VAt that you have paid earlier. But you still pay VAT once.

[marvykkio]

but I understand me when I speak?
I do not say VAT
I'm talking of duty.

You must pay the tax.