[November 2016] Bitcoin Mining Datacenters by the Megawatt

[RichBC]

Also surely F2Pool is way to big to just be a Public Mining Pool, must be someone's data centre?

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[philipma1957]

Also surely F2Pool is way to big to just be a Public Mining Pool, must be someone's data centre?

They offer steady payouts  this is a huge reason people use them.

Think like an accountant  not like a geek.---------- Sounds nasty not meant to be nasty. But if you are business oriented you mine here.

I have a limited 2 cent power deal with a friend he is a banker not a geek.

He insists that this 1 s-7 is to be pointed at you guessed it f2pool.

If  you back a person with cash you don't want variance. As much as I don't like some of f2pool's methods the steady daily payout  has a lot of meaning.

[RichBC]

I was not questioning why people use F2Pool. In fact my standard setup is first Nicehash with a setting some % above normal PPS payout levels, then BW.com as they have 1% fees & finally F2Pool...

My surprise was that F2Pool could be as big as it is and only be a Public Mining Pool with Ad Hoc users?

[philipma1957]

It can  because a banker type guy  will point from the State of Washington.  He looks at it as a ledger game for profit.

The guy I know can drop 1 or 2 million into btc as a hedge to his real estate, stock and bond investments.

He has been picking my brain to understand the entire game along with watching and allowing the stat of the art miner (s-7) run in his office.

He is methodical and is most likely going to pass or pull the trigger this spring.  He has connections to a few guys in the state of Washington

and if they go forth and build a mine  they will point it at f2pool.  Basically it gets rid of variance.  

I am helping him to decide if he will do this.

So if they get a building and 3 cent power  put in 3 or 4 million  they could get.

2000 s-7's  at 4.7th each or 9.4ph.

This would make them second at f2pool.

Here are the top  payouts from f2pool last night. They paid 777 coins last night.

The biggest payout is below as are all payouts between 2 and 45 coins

https://blockchain.info/tx/c1078c2b8cf1175881e0c04a25dc517086c6cce4aa17a7e69c7bc7632d9bc529

Code:

3EUC1DfLuBw6Quk9uqud6MDkZwGL2x4DQF - (Unspent) 45.86974221 BTC (This would be a 10.7ph farm)
34GL44eQLCwsxXmfEDFZGeKWwxCF2KT5Sq - (Unspent) 13.60986991 BTC
1EQkvn9h9fGJwr5pBneohDsKZ5Vhbz1TPB - (Unspent) 9.930294 BTC
1C41DVZY4r1nyyXK6cdEpPxKi5ouuiry4n - (Unspent) 7.96791047 BTC
14ywCzmKfhXXTSnRFfsPzw1pdAahV7yhYR - (Unspent) 7.8416113 BTC
3Gtq9X2UrhZdMVmMfVgaCat7Me9iweB8m4 - (Unspent) 7.47403059 BTC
13G26hWrn6FYbc5cp2VtjUbxgjEr34yTar - (Spent) 7.28426601 BTC
18vmkQjuRmkStZAdujdqEWJdyRwXcU9yqd - (Unspent) 7.03245484 BTC
1LoVtEkrgyBPDfnhjrgAxKdCezQqgTZMg8 - (Spent) 6.23043885 BTC
1FpPoRuqs9quNv15AW49SLRZaCMcDPLe47 - (Spent) 5.17836039 BTC
1LTcR1u4zWp5RA6HArYzyNDEK9ghznpCQY - (Spent) 4.77989047 BTC
1NzDR8nctRGo2Q1dTYvyfwC1ojRbyE7U8H - (Spent) 4.62705425 BTC
1ctwnbd2GpxzNFZWyipXhPMWHM5pUB4Er - (Unspent) 4.32608664 BTC
1FvfFpJHcVZBc36oSwxKr2rmEzGwN2ScS6 - (Unspent) 4.22554293 BTC
1PZyCJNAuBnyKQRpE2rhJnoqhRu4zf9s4N - (Spent) 3.64234345 BTC
1ES4JqFigkBCD25h1z8YEuJokayKjfQALP - (Spent) 3.55097889 BTC
12mZVMWH6y4ZwZkX8Dzd1LDi2DCJVVAPZv - (Spent) 3.35294079 BTC
1HVPLPjp4KbD3v27whwthbrCnttJYjbt8J - (Spent) 3.27263024 BTC
15vbjLckRftHzKKehVR6xFBdpjBXjK8wAx - (Spent) 3.17929868 BTC
1KbceGdKqWjT4uFxMipvtMdyjrGAGUkj5r - (Spent) 3.08092967 BTC
1698dp8x7LQQxUd1wSMAowTKMFufedAYTs - (Spent) 3.06221929 BTC
19DqEMgspPxdPqRzuHygepcPdStSdusK6m - (Unspent) 3.02045628 BTC
1EWqWgBewSAL5gK6M9F9vA4zoiRZ64xrKd - (Spent) 2.92740601 BTC
1NuwS2ycdEYsh3PSUL9xnjMgpd3NVwCd5G - (Spent) 2.90808001 BTC
1GHxHr2Vn7BYwzwFQY3yeuGCYDo4vnStAU - (Spent) 2.90182751 BTC
19utf3yHqShMvMeYkSUP5iuJ7zbGxHruKq - (Unspent) 2.88482313 BTC
17TEXR9Nmv9xfGDMer4eKMaMwWsNa59w4o - (Unspent) 2.88479089 BTC
1P2JHNPLqAc9VU3MvT4VuRvkwj7m99hzw - (Spent) 2.87513535 BTC
1Fdpz7ywj97BAZ2jyrfDpVoLYM6vfV5Phu - (Spent) 2.50861081 BTC
13RJGGYtBYxSWkYw7YR4ez1JQq3q5sHAW7 - (Unspent) 2.49549327 BTC
174g4aiaFma15ptudon3YKCrJ6XUcsQ4h2 - (Spent) 2.36629934 BTC
17o4Y9nHRbvLCeVoffPMewbjeMsC6RCRSa - (Unspent) 2.28453104 BTC
34QjytsE8GVRbUBvYNheftqJ5CHfDHvQRD - (Unspent) 2.22697006 BTC
12aKBVF8V4W8qAE1uc6EbJSxkaq1igAVrX - (Unspent) 2.17071314 BTC
1JPfR3smqKu72kvEuYnD6VHEdA4CCN7PUR - (Spent) 2.16760942 BTC
14wVA385b9pseJDzENZTqUokWYdG89ukQH - (Spent) 2.14407525 BTC
1FnaiTCqX8YKGHKaVNWSi8U55vp6RnFBF1 - (Unspent) 2.08765924 BTC
18a7XxjM95wMbzHcxFymWAL9HrawMzyRQz - (Unspent) 2.0477259 BTC
1ESJSuf4noV7Y3sj9DsXBLnmPik339EnR2 - (Spent) 2.0139828 BTC -------------  (This would be  a 472th  farm)

[notlist3d]

Very intersting data philipma I don't think I have seen this before.  There are less then I was expecting.

Are you able to do the same with antpool?   Could we see how big operations are within it?

[armedmilitia]

To the guy who said BTCC has its own farms: Please give me a source! I want to list as many people as possible.

3EUC1DfLuBw6Quk9uqud6MDkZwGL2x4DQF - (Unspent) 45.86974221 BTC This would be a 10.7ph farm

Hundred bucks says that it's HAOBTC, because they're located in China and have almost that exact hashrate.

[armedmilitia]

BIG UPDATE:
-Removed bitfury's 100MW datacenter. It doesn't exist, it's the same DC as the 40MW one. If you look here their 100MW datacenter is only quoted as "up to" 100MW, they had a seriously misleading press release. Also, the 40MW and 100MW datacenter are located in the exact same technology park. Plus, they are never both mentioned in the same press release, kind of like superman and clark kent.
http://agenda.ge/news/43030/eng

-Removed bitfury's 8.5MW datacenter. It's actually owned and operated by Advania (datacenter company), and I can't tell how much is used for miner hosting. Maybe bitfury uses it, but right now I don't have a source for it.
http://stundin.is/frett/vafasamar-tengingar-staersta-gagnavers-landsins/

-Downgraded bitfury's 20MW datacenter to 10MW. Another misleading press release, if you see this news report (and translate it), you can see that they only pay for 9.9MW of power from the power company. If anyone has a conflicting (non-bitfury) source please help me out.
https://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnetgazeti.ge%2F2015%2F08%2F06%2F48634%2F&edit-text=&act=url

Actually, that article has tons of juicy info about bitfury. Namely, it appears they've spun down their icelandic mining operations (part of the reason for removing it), and their datacenter plan in finland failed. I suspect both of these have to do with electricity rates impacting the bottom line, but that's just my opinion. Apparently they pay $0.01c/kwh in Georgia when converted to USD, which is impressive (not 100% sure on this one, the article doesn't specify whether the rate is in USD or GEL).

Well, after the dust settled it looks like I was seriously underrepresenting the USA/China market share.
Anyways, that's all for me.

[macbook-air]

We have these public pages:
* https://www.f2pool.com/bitcoin-blocks
* https://www.f2pool.com/litecoin-blocks
* https://www.f2pool.com/regions
Afaik, BTCC does not own mining hardwares either.

[notlist3d]

BIG UPDATE:
-Removed bitfury's 100MW datacenter. It doesn't exist, it's the same DC as the 40MW one. If you look here their 100MW datacenter is only quoted as "up to" 100MW, they had a seriously misleading press release. Also, the 40MW and 100MW datacenter are located in the exact same technology park. Plus, they are never both mentioned in the same press release, kind of like superman and clark kent.
http://agenda.ge/news/43030/eng

-Removed bitfury's 8.5MW datacenter. It's actually owned and operated by Advania (datacenter company), and I can't tell how much is used for miner hosting. Maybe bitfury uses it, but right now I don't have a source for it.
http://stundin.is/frett/vafasamar-tengingar-staersta-gagnavers-landsins/

-Downgraded bitfury's 20MW datacenter to 10MW. Another misleading press release, if you see this news report (and translate it), you can see that they only pay for 9.9MW of power from the power company. If anyone has a conflicting (non-bitfury) source please help me out.
https://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnetgazeti.ge%2F2015%2F08%2F06%2F48634%2F&edit-text=&act=url

Actually, that article has tons of juicy info about bitfury. Namely, it appears they've spun down their icelandic mining operations (part of the reason for removing it), and their datacenter plan in finland failed. I suspect both of these have to do with electricity rates impacting the bottom line, but that's just my opinion. Apparently they pay $0.01c/kwh in Georgia when converted to USD, which is impressive (not 100% sure on this one, the article doesn't specify whether the rate is in USD or GEL).

Well, after the dust settled it looks like I was seriously underrepresenting the USA/China market share.
Anyways, that's all for me.

Interesting to see one thing I can think of they might want some empty spots for their new chip once a full miner is ready.    So if they do have space right no its good short term... but long term I would guess once new miner comes out it goes right into empty spots.

Also I could see them trying to unload some of the older miners to make space for the new ones.  But we still don't know how long till they are pumping them out.

[armedmilitia]

I really don't think so, it's not cost effective for HAOBTC to spend extra money on more efficient hardware--their electricity costs are very low.

[Eric Mu]

I really don't think so, it's not cost effective for HAOBTC to spend extra money on more efficient hardware--their electricity costs are very low.

We have been phasing out old machines - the S3s that appeared in the pictures I took and posted on this forum were all sold. As a bulk buyer we can afford to pay a significant amount in advance, as a result, we are often be able to receive new machines from the manufacturers earlier than the market and at lower prices. Quite often we find that we can make a nice chunk of money not doing actually mining but just reselling the machines we just get.

[armedmilitia]

We have been phasing out old machines - the S3s that appeared in the pictures I took and posted on this forum were all sold. As a bulk buyer we can afford to pay a significant amount in advance, as a result, we are often be able to receive new machines from the manufacturers earlier than the market and at lower prices. Quite often we find that we can make a nice chunk of money not doing actually mining but just reselling the machines we just get.

Thanks for answering all these questions.
Out of curiosity, how many MW of capacity do you have?

[igotBAWS]

I just wanted to say thanks for the great job armedmilitia!

So i wanted to get more 'into' the hole mining thing. So just wanted to write down my thought (please tell me if im wrong)

1. Don't buy used hardware from ebay or w.e.
2. Buy new hardware, which has the best kw/power ratio.
3. Buy the hardware from someone, who also can host it.
4. Don't lease urself an miner. It just doen't give any return.
5. Maybe buy a contract - if lucky it can payout

-- if u mind having my post here, i can remove and post in the mining forum --

Any other suggestions for the beginners list?

Edit: One question, is it better to self say which pool you want, or just let the "hosting company" decide?

[armedmilitia]

I just wanted to say thanks for the great job armedmilitia!

So i wanted to get more 'into' the hole mining thing. So just wanted to write down my thought (please tell me if im wrong)

1. Don't buy used hardware from ebay or w.e.
2. Buy new hardware, which has the best kw/power ratio.
3. Buy the hardware from someone, who also can host it.
4. Don't lease urself an miner. It just doen't give any return.
5. Maybe buy a contract - if lucky it can payout

-- if u mind having my post here, i can remove and post in the mining forum --

Any other suggestions for the beginners list?

Edit: One question, is it better to self say which pool you want, or just let the "hosting company" decide?

This is probably the wrong section for this.
1.) Ebay is terrible, I agree.
2.) Not necessarily, it depends on your power cost and the cost of the miner
3.) Buying directly from a hoster is nice (you don't need to pay for shipping) but it's not necessary.
4.) I don't think you can lease miners anyways.
5.) Contracts suck! You'll lose in the long run.

[notlist3d]

One I did not see on list is BlockC.  They report having 10 MW datacenter - http://www.blockc.co/ .  They are the distributor of Avalon gear outside of China.  So it is likely they have a sizable amount.

Might add them to list, I did not find them.  But I could have missed it.

[antirack]

One I did not see on list is BlockC.  They report having 10 MW datacenter - http://www.blockc.co/ .  They are the distributor of Avalon gear outside of China.  So it is likely they have a sizable amount.

Might add them to list, I did not find them.  But I could have missed it.

10MW are ~34PH on Avalon's.

http://organofcorti.blogspot.be/2016/02/february-7th-2016-block-maker-statistics.html

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Is Sweden like near Antarctica or something?  

But awesome list. Crazy to see how many farms there are using that much power.

KNC is located in The Node Pole which is a collection of business industrial real estate which is open to development. Obviously they have attractive offerings for people opening up shop there.

The KNC Boden datacenters are right next to each other neighboring the old Helicopter Air Base.

http://thenodepole.com/data-center-sites/helicopter-air-base/

They have hyrdro and local biogas power production and in addition are well connected to their national electric grid.

http://thenodepole.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/hydro-960x485-900x455.png

If I recall the first KNC site was 10MW and the second was going to be 20MW .. or was that 20MW total and an additional 10MW ... I'm not 100% sure, I would have to scour the media releases.

This is also home to Hydro66

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765407.0

http://thenodepole.com/data-center-sites/hydro66/

"Hydro66, a data centre provider financed by Black Green Capital"

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/22/cloud-storage-data-centre-sweden-arctic-hydro66

"Hydro 66’s anchor tenant in their first facility is a Bitcoin operation called MegaMine, which has the same equity backers and management as Hydro66."

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/10/23/hydro66-kicks-off-sweden-data-center-construction-in-facebooks-neighborhood/

MegaMine is apparently these dudes;

http://www.megamine.com/aboutus.php

The pic on that page of their datacenter is clearly not their datacenter and is a pic from a facebook datacenter. Which is ironic because Facebook also actually has a datacenter in the area. Same reference as above.

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There are a few missing ones I think;


LordPaco has a 1 MW mine according to, could be 4-5MW now according to reference below;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159107.msg12266632#msg12266632

Also pictures from page 40 in "Miner photo 'porn'"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=766998.msg12220928#msg12220928

It's stated that the goal is to being 4 MW online by the end of the year. The post is from 08/23/2015.

Quite recently ASICSPACE had a some sort of "parting ways" with their original datacenter operated by, and they moved their remaining customers to Quincy, WA and into LordPaco's space;

"ASICSpace Mining Co. v. Salcido Connection Inc."

http://wbjtoday.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&subsectionID=62&articleID=3627

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=885197.msg13190964#msg13190964

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1328951.msg13560711#msg13560711

That means Salcido Connection Inc. is now going to operate their own datacenter with the capacity previously allocated to ASICSPACE.

http://ncwbusiness.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=45&ArticleID=3742&TM=57112.81

I find it interesting that he contests the stigma around bitcoin not creating jobs.

"The metric we need to get out there is this is way more jobs per megawatt than manufacturing," he said. "Alcoa used 250 megawatts for 450 jobs. I'm creating more than 50 family wage jobs on 4 megawatts. And there's a ton of direct and indirect economic spinoff from that. Data space and emerging technology draws all kinds of spin off support industries, the kind you can imagine and those you can't imagine."

However everyone in the Chelan area is running into potential problems securing power pricing;

http://kuow.org/post/virtual-currency-meets-wariness-it-plugs-cheap-columbia-river-power

"High Density Load Forum with Chelan County PUD and Salcido Connection Wenatchee WA"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUPLp_AVIWY

seek to 4:50

At 11:50 he mentions "We have two facilities, we have a 2MW at the old Tree Top plant in Cashmere, WA and we have another 1.7MW in south Wenatchee that we call Columbia Data."

The second location might be at this site on Columbia St.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/GO+USA,+Inc/@47.4179256,-120.3044442,3a,75y,328.03h,90.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFUoUHGOzUZCiJu2zxRvYYg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x3d6360bf7572beb0!6m1!1e1

Notice the power going to the upper floor of the building on the left, looks like 1MW of 3 phase. Then there is another 750 kVA transformer on the street to the right. In short, plenty of power on this street to get 1.7MW.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/GO+USA,+Inc/@47.418386,-120.3036617,299m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x3d6360bf7572beb0!6m1!1e1

The aerial view shows that Columbia St is adjacent to this substation and there are visibly existing overhead lines carrying that power over to Chehalis St and then to Columba St. Pretty ideal short runs!
Also in this meeting is "Dedicated ASIC Services" ... anyone know who that is?

Plus there is also .. OregonMines which I read had 500 kVA in one location and another 1 MW in a different location in the same area. I can not seem to find a reference for that.

https://www.oregonmines.com/location/

[notlist3d]

One we don't really know on is some old spot's PCFLI ran miners in:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=514758.0

I know all of his current group buys go into a really nice center.  But these old "simple" ones I would guess someone else if not him is using.  Can't imagine building farms and then leaving them.   This is just a example I figure there are a few players with "simple' data centers that are pretty hard to track.  And this is all speculation I have no idea who owns the simple ones now.

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Hash the Planet

http://hashthepla.net/#section-pricing

Located at a property owned by Jay Byers, owner of the 106,000-square-foot Mission District building in Cashmere who has been leasing 13,000-square feet of space to a server farm business for the past 18 months.

https://www.chelanpud.org/docs/default-source/commission/forum-lets-high-density-power-users-share-their-side-of-the-story---leavenworth-echo-jan-27-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=0

It does not mention the total capacity but it does mention the total investment of $800k going on $1M, so I would assume no less than 1 MW and probably no more than 2 MW.

http://hashthepla.net/gallery/#!

Looks like they are selling on eBay right now ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281899529175

The listing says "We have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds". So I would assume no less than 300 and probably no more than maybe 1000. Assuming this isn't the only equipment the power need of 180 kW - 600 kW. Since that lines up with the original projection above I would assume it's a 1 MW datacenter. However spending $800k - $1 M on the setup in the picture of the Hash the Planet pics leads me to think they have a lot more power they aren't using.

In the above Chelan PUD document the building owner Jim Byers mentions ""I made the agreement with these guys that I would build the server system and in two years they will buy it for $3 million more than he put into it. So far, I'm $800,000 into this thing and will be $1 million into it before its done. I own the server system and they run the computers," he said. "They told me if the rate goes up, they will just move. I will lose $4 million if you do this."

So it sounds like he bought a bunch of miners. Man .. what did S5's go for ... $340-$420 ... If you spent $1 million on build out and another $3 million on S5's that would get you approximately 7000 S5's and psu's .... That would use 590 watts x 7000 miners = 4.1 MW. Which is still within the 5 MW Chelan PUD limit for subsidized power rates.

Although in that "High Density Load Forum with Chelan County PUD and Salcido Connection Wenatchee WA" video I posted earlier which is from just a couple days ago. It is stated several times the "actual amount of power being used currently in Chelan PUD is just over 5 MW" and that perhaps there "were" previously failed endeavors accounting for several other MW that may no longer be utilized for mining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUPLp_AVIWY"

So if you take that as absolute truth then the following operations cannot account for more than "just over 5 MW" of active capacity. Malachi claims he is using 3.7MW of that figure leaving 1.3 - 1.6MW to account for the other two.

Dedicated ASIC Services - Michael Cao / Cashmere, could be ZoomHash who claims to have 3MW http://zoomhash.com/pages/hosting
Salcido Connection - Malachi Salcido / Cashmere, South Wenatchee
Hash the Planet - Sean Cooper / Cashmere

Oh ... cool I just confirmed the location of the second Salcido connection site.

"At last Wednesday's forum Salcido Connection owner Malachi Salcido, who has equipped much of the former Tree Top facility in Cashmere as a low tier no tier data center and is working on a second facility in the Go USA building in Wenatchee"

http://cashmerevalleyrecord.com/print.asp?ArticleID=9072&SectionID=5&SubSectionID=5

So that confirms it is the building on the right.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/GO+USA,+Inc/@47.4179256,-120.3044442,3a,75y,328.03h,90.39t/data=