ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT

[jbreher]

Given up trying to pretend that the stalking-forks perform any role other than (insignificant) minority retrograde Core nodes, jbreher? Typical behaviour; you start one argument (XT), and when that argument turns out to be bullshit, you simply start another (Classic). No point flogging a dead horse, eh?

WTF are you on about, Carlton? I've consistently been a BU sort of a guy - at least since its inception.

Speaking of which , WTF is a 'minority retrograde Core node role'? This sound like anything but word salad to anyone other than Carlton?

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[jbreher]

brb, need to go spend at least an hour LMAO at rbtc's ETH huffing Gavinistas!

WTF are you shilling about? I don't recall Gavin ever publicly recommending to buy into the DAO.

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You are correct, Gavin actually is very skeptical, but there are many "Gavinistas" addicted to mETH and you can see the pump on Vers forum and /btc

Appears many more Classic/BU/XT supporters are also invested in mETH and there are plenty of reasons why.

Not saying you're _wrong_, 'cause I don't know. But... where are you getting your data?

It is indeed anecdotal

Duly noted.

[iCEBREAKER]

brb, need to go spend at least an hour LMAO at rbtc's ETH huffing Gavinistas!

WTF are you shilling about? I don't recall Gavin ever publicly recommending to buy into the DAO.

BitcoinUserNotAffectedMeme.png

You are correct, Gavin actually is very skeptical, but there are many "Gavinistas" addicted to mETH and you can see the pump on Vers forum and /btc

Appears many more Classic/BU/XT supporters are also invested in mETH and there are plenty of reasons why.

Never mind Gavin, ETH smart contracts were Roger VERified!   

Please recall Roger Ver, Brian Armstrong, Eric Voorhees, etc. spending the last year hyping Ethereum while simultaneously attacking the consensus of Bitcoin's socioeconomic majority and governance/development structures.

So you'll forgive my enjoyment of Team KryptoKit's comeuppance and the resolution of the DAO experiment:

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/86f03176beef99ac2f5adecd39b964f874f5ec615a9d01e88ac781c6e669753c

"17/Jun/2016 Vitalik Buterin on brink of 1st bailout for DAOs"

[Carlton Banks]

Given up trying to pretend that the stalking-forks perform any role other than (insignificant) minority retrograde Core nodes, jbreher? Typical behaviour; you start one argument (XT), and when that argument turns out to be bullshit, you simply start another (Classic). No point flogging a dead horse, eh?

WTF are you on about, Carlton? I've consistently been a BU sort of a guy - at least since its inception.

What have you switched to now that BU has suffered it's demise? Oh, you still are? Maybe you could fix your grammar, or does all language above the level of elementary education constitute "word salad" to you?

[jbreher]

Given up trying to pretend that the stalking-forks perform any role other than (insignificant) minority retrograde Core nodes, jbreher? Typical behaviour; you start one argument (XT), and when that argument turns out to be bullshit, you simply start another (Classic). No point flogging a dead horse, eh?

WTF are you on about, Carlton? I've consistently been a BU sort of a guy - at least since its inception.

What have you switched to now that BU has suffered it's demise? Oh, you still are? Maybe you could fix your grammar, or does all language above the level of elementary education constitute "word salad" to you?

Still running BU. Thanks for asking.

Ain't nuttin' rong with my grammer - at leest not abuv. Lern to Engrish.

[Carlton Banks]

Of course, it's fairly predictable that you would be requesting people to dumb things down for you, it's consistent with your arguing technique, not to mention your expectations of your audience. How inconvenient that not enough people are as dumbed down as you would prefer

(thanks for continuing to run your 0.11.1 compatible software, it'd be nice if you could find out why upgrading to software that's compatible with CLTV/CSV/0.12.1 would be more helpful to the network)

[hv_]

Who ensures that LN does not become bitcoins DAO like experience?

[Lauda]

Who ensures that LN does not become bitcoins DAO like experience?

That's not really relevant here. Let's all stop any advanced development because an incompetent team failed with their pump & dump coin? I think not. Peer reviews and extensive testing 'ensure' that. Although one can never be 100% sure.

[hv_]

Who ensures that LN does not become bitcoins DAO like experience?

That's not really relevant here. Let's all stop any advanced development because an incompetent team failed with their pump & dump coin? I think not. Peer reviews and extensive testing 'ensure' that. Although one can never be 100% sure.

Yes, agreed - so 'good' (sorry) thing this happened already and we are alerted.

[Lauda]

Yes, agreed - so 'good' (sorry) thing this happened already and we are alerted.

I'm pretty sure that if there are potentially breaking problems with LN, that they will be discovered early on as it will surely be extensively tested as soon as any version comes live. Even if something starts going wrong (e.g. a bad entity being able to steal money from someone else), that isn't such a huge problem as long as there are no 'bail-outs' as the one proposed in ETH. The bigger problem is losing immutability and decentralization as opposed to losing X amount of funds. People will eventually recover (as we've unfortunately experienced multiple times already, and Mt.Gox is one example of that).
The Classic folks over at r/btc are exploiting this situation to attack Segwit while over-blowing the complexity of it.

[hv_]

Ceterum censeo BS limitem esse delendam.

 

[pereira4]

Benevolent dictator Vitalik the Great is giving do overs.

The DAO is too big too fail, it is officially being renamed the one true "Sacred CAO".

Honestly, what is Vitalik thinking? He thinks he can go around telling exchanges to stop currency pairs from panic selling? This guy is a complete tool.
ETH is doomed now not because of some smart guy getting advantage of a smart contract (legally), but because now it's clear that ETH has a central banker named Vitalik Buterin.

[gmaxwell]

I know it's "Classic" (and /r/btc) style to spend most of the time talking about Ethereum; but how about we buck that trend and talk about classic instead?

In an ultra rare fit of software development, they've begun to try to add BIP9/68/etc. support to Classic: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/177

But because their "single constant fork" remained anything but and they've diverged from Core and don't seem to know what they're doing-- they've made a fine hairball of it and the tests aren't passing. I wonder if they'll get it working before CSV is live on the network?

I also wonder, since they already released a "0.12.1" which was, if anything, an anti-0.12.1 (ripped out warnings related to the 0.12.1 features it lacked!)-- are they going to call their kludge port 0.13 and claim to be leaders in Bitcoin innovation-- while lacking the half year of development from dozens of people and dozens of features that will be in the real 0.13?

Only time will tell, but I guess that would be consistent with their "Classic" naming practice, enh?

[Foxpup]

I also wonder, since they already released a "0.12.1" which was, if anything, an anti-0.12.1 (ripped out warnings related to the 0.12.1 features it lacked!)-- are they going to call their kludge port 0.13 and claim to be leaders in Bitcoin innovation-- while lacking the half year of development from dozens of people and dozens of features that will be in the real 0.13?

Why do things by half measures? Behold, Bitcoin Classic 1.1.0!

[Lauda]

Why do things by half measures? Behold, Bitcoin Classic 1.1.0!

That's a horrible manipulation attempt. Additionally, I've recently found out that one of the Classic supporters/developers, Toomin, is in support of blacklisting/coincontrol as proposed in ETH. I wonder what the planned soft-fork for Bitcoin was. 

[hdbuck]

aww seems the desperate ph0rkers are digging further with the moronic democrapy shenanigans:

meet their change.org petition: https://www.change.org/p/blockstream-please-raise-the-block-size-to-2mb-now/c

how cute.

[Adrian-x]

Who ensures that LN does not become bitcoins DAO like experience?

That's not really relevant here. Let's all stop any advanced development because an incompetent team failed with their pump & dump coin? I think not. Peer reviews and extensive testing 'ensure' that. Although one can never be 100% sure.

It's a totally relevant! Rather than test LN and its base code SegWit, (bitcoin's DAO), in the real world befor deploying it on a $10B network, why shouldn't SegWit be deployed and tested in the real world on an altcoin before being implemented in Bitcoin?

[Lauda]

It's a totally relevant! Rather than test LN and its base code SegWit, (bitcoin's DAO), in the real world befor deploying it on a $10B network

LN's basecode is not Segwit. I'm surprised that you have been fed false information. Segwit is not Bitcoin's DAO and is not even as complicated as some people say that it is. Most of the codebase is just automated testing. LN could be created (AFAIK) without Segwit but it would be much harder.

why shouldn't SegWit be deployed and tested in the real world on an altcoin before being implemented in Bitcoin?

Nobody is preventing altcoins from implementing Segwit. I'm 99% of sure that if the Core developers decided to wait for this 'testing period' that the 'shill campaign' would complain everywhere that Core is stalling progress, fee market panic and other rubbish.

[Adrian-x]

I know it's "Classic" (and /r/btc) style to spend most of the time talking about Ethereum; but how about we buck that trend and talk about classic instead?

In an ultra rare fit of software development, they've begun to try to add BIP9/68/etc. support to Classic: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/177

But because their "single constant fork" remained anything but and they've diverged from Core and don't seem to know what they're doing-- they've made a fine hairball of it and the tests aren't passing. I wonder if they'll get it working before CSV is live on the network?

I also wonder, since they already released a "0.12.1" which was, if anything, an anti-0.12.1 (ripped out warnings related to the 0.12.1 features it lacked!)-- are they going to call their kludge port 0.13 and claim to be leaders in Bitcoin innovation-- while lacking the half year of development from dozens of people and dozens of features that will be in the real 0.13?

Only time will tell, but I guess that would be consistent with their "Classic" naming practice, enh?

Are you the CTO of Blockstream? you don't sound like a CTO   r/btc is where the uncensored bitcoin discussion happens, who cares about ETH, but for the fact that we can learn from their DAO mistakes.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I know it's "Classic" (and /r/btc) style to spend most of the time talking about Ethereum; but how about we buck that trend and talk about classic instead?

In an ultra rare fit of software development, they've begun to try to add BIP9/68/etc. support to Classic: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/177

But because their "single constant fork" remained anything but and they've diverged from Core and don't seem to know what they're doing-- they've made a fine hairball of it and the tests aren't passing. I wonder if they'll get it working before CSV is live on the network?

I also wonder, since they already released a "0.12.1" which was, if anything, an anti-0.12.1 (ripped out warnings related to the 0.12.1 features it lacked!)-- are they going to call their kludge port 0.13 and claim to be leaders in Bitcoin innovation-- while lacking the half year of development from dozens of people and dozens of features that will be in the real 0.13?

Only time will tell, but I guess that would be consistent with their "Classic" naming practice, enh?

Are you the CTO of Blockstream? you don't sound like a CTO  r/btc is where the uncensored bitcoin discussion happens, who cares about ETH, but for the fact that we can learn from their DAO mistakes.

Roger Ver is knee deep in Ethers. Don't pretend that place isn't what it is.