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December 24, 2012, 08:03:01 AM
Last edit: March 19, 2013, 11:56:46 PM by TheButterZone
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White Paper discussion here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155112.0

http://blockchain.info/address/1aM9FxKHzqNZfnnBvv7BgZ6PSzaN7zfNQ is the sender. Untagged, not found with Google. See the timestamps? 20 seconds or less after receiving each of those amounts from a variety of addresses, they were swept to mine. I don't have the knowhow to sweep, nor do I use a client, so this is very weird.

I haven't had any contact from anyone wanting to buy my stuff or services. I have 1tbzj as a payment address for a track at bittracks.com, but it's previously come in single-sale increments, with a percentage fee taken out every time, not in large chunks. I've emailed the owner just in case. ETA: Nope, not that. 1tbzj is also my referral address for Instawire (1%) and bitcoinvanity.appspot.com (20%), but those amounts would equal some pretty expensive transactions that I referred. It's also a donation address, but who would sweep large (for me) donations to any address like this?

If you can sign a message with the private key for 1aM9FxKHzqNZfnnBvv7BgZ6PSzaN7zfNQ, I can verify it belongs to 1aM9FxKHzqNZfnnBvv7BgZ6PSzaN7zfNQ (if you know how signing works, you know that I never see your private key). If you can prove it's yours, let me know what's up with your transactions.
See Penultimate ETA below...

http://blockchain.info/tx/064266858fbb1392041a3c605e526dcf406ab8c0a43187764e31ba7b75bc3093
http://blockchain.info/tx/57fe9d49aba3b922f347dd4a79331bf6a43b134a4effad8d495f5f5ac42481c7
http://blockchain.info/tx/9c43e57abf364d0ba68b882f27d79dbf4230a41bb27c61e0f6ccd4e679d0a8b6

ETA: Now 200 BTC more from who the hell knows... http://blockchain.info/tx/92d3c868acdcaf25bb8b7fa85fe5e2035ee8af0e600159ae4b3d1a11035d7ae8

ETA again: Now 300 BTC more from who the frak knows.... http://blockchain.info/tx/3d2c9e562de4de64cb57eb69623bfa144af24676e96cb6b446b3e26bffb6abb7

I'm so cynical I think this can't be an accident. The first 3 sweeps, maybe. Are major hacked or otherwise stolen coins getting sent to me to frame me up as a thief, accomplice, or receiver of stolen coins? (I couldn't afford to buy this many BTC without charging my credit card, and there's no guarantee I wouldn't be doing minimum payments for months, years even) Well, as long as this topic stays up and I have a screenshot of my OP, fuck that, fuck you, if that's the case.

I was never an investor in Pirate, GLBSE, or any investment at all. Same for Bitcoinica and Bitmarket, no BTC ever held there. The only BTC I ever lost were <2 BTC (yes, less than two BTC) on Bitfloor from its hack, and a small percentage of that has been paid back.

Penultimate ETA, I hope: As I planned in this post, the 519.70399999 (after the ridiculously low, 1 satoshi tx fee) has been moved to the paper wallet http://blockchain.info/address/1D58NtxrZF4iUnGAFojnqNpPuGi9rrcyVf . I am operating under the conclusion (even if mistaken) that 1TBZjmXho6mdGhoESaMV2svtqJXYtWfEp had a collision and somebody/somecomputer didn't realize (or care) that it was already in use. SO, if you also have the private key for 1TBZjmXho6mdGhoESaMV2svtqJXYtWfEp, sign with it and I will verify it matches mine, then send your BTC to the new address of your choosing.

Developers, is there any way to prevent collisions, so we don't have to put monitors on all our addresses?  Undecided

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December 24, 2012, 10:37:35 AM
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So you are giving back 2000+ dollars to the owner?

My hat off to you sir !
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December 24, 2012, 11:20:38 AM
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Well... If no one wants the money back we might as well share it evenly between the first posters on this thread... just saying Tongue

Maybe someone gave you a donation, added your address to his contact list and then mistook it for another recipient he wanted to send the money too in the first place.

Tips and donations:

15nqQGfkgoxrBnsshD6vCuMWuz71MK51Ug
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December 24, 2012, 11:22:06 AM
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...post Tongue

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December 24, 2012, 11:23:19 AM
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Somebody got goxed? It was probably just a glox (read: glitch).


Sorry, just felt the need to be funny!
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December 24, 2012, 11:23:34 AM
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Maybe GLBSE / pirate / whatever refunds?

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December 24, 2012, 11:24:39 AM
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...post Tongue

Is it that you don't like using Watch or that you wanted us to know that you are?

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December 24, 2012, 11:48:34 AM
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Damn, somebody really liked your posts.

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December 24, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
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...post Tongue

Is it that you don't like using Watch or that you wanted us to know that you are?

Smiley

Well... If no one wants the money back we might as well share it evenly between the first posters on this thread... just saying Tongue

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December 24, 2012, 12:13:21 PM
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Well... If no one wants the money back we might as well share it evenly between the first posters on this thread... just saying Tongue

Now that made me laugh - merry xmas Luke and I do hope the OP is able to return the funds to the rightful owner.

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December 24, 2012, 01:24:45 PM
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Give it 30-90 days and if no claimer donate it to various charities.

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December 24, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
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So you are giving back 2000+ dollars to the owner?

My hat off to you sir !

Yes! +1.

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December 24, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
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Strange stuff. I checked and it's definitely not coming from bittracks.
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December 24, 2012, 03:33:26 PM
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Did James at GLBSE screw up again and send out BTC to the wrong addresses?

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December 24, 2012, 03:57:37 PM
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. . . Now 200 BTC more from who the hell knows . . .
I'd just hang on to it for a bit.  Maybe send it off to a paper wallet to avoid accidentally spending it.

At over 200 BTC, my guess is that someone is going to realize what they've accidentally done, and start searching for the person who owns 1tbzj.  There is probably going to be a post in the Newbie forum some time in the next few days (weeks?) asking, "How do I get back BTC that I accidentally sent to the wrong address!!!?"  Someone will teach them how to sign messages, and then send them over to this thread.

I'm not sure how long is a reasonable amount of time to keep track of BTC that were sent to you unsolicited.  At what point should a person decide that it is a donation (or tip) instead of an accident?
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December 24, 2012, 04:15:39 PM
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. . . Now 200 BTC more from who the hell knows . . .
At what point should a person decide that it is a donation (or tip) instead of an accident?

i would say time has nothing to do with it, if this guy comes back and requests repayment in a 100 years its no less relivent than today. I would personally never spend it unless i become desperate someday and had no other way to put food on the table.

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December 24, 2012, 04:28:24 PM
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. . . Now 200 BTC more from who the hell knows . . .
At what point should a person decide that it is a donation (or tip) instead of an accident?

i would say time has nothing to do with it, if this guy comes back and requests repayment in a 100 years its no less relivent than today. I would personally never spend it unless i become desperate someday and had no other way to put food on the table.
If you provide a "tip" or "donation" address, and people anonymously send you tips/donations, how do you determine the difference between "tips/donations" which you are intended to spend, and "accidents" that you should hold on to for 100+ years?

. . . It's also a donation address . . .
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December 24, 2012, 04:30:23 PM
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http://blockchain.info/address/1aM9FxKHzqNZfnnBvv7BgZ6PSzaN7zfNQ is the sender. Untagged, not found with Google. See the timestamps? 20 seconds or less after receiving each of those amounts from a variety of addresses, they were swept to mine. I don't have the knowhow to sweep, nor do I use a client, so this is very weird.

I haven't had any contact from anyone wanting to buy my stuff or services. I have 1tbzj as a payment address for a track at bittracks.com, but it's previously come in single-sale increments, with a percentage fee taken out every time, not in large chunks. I've emailed the owner just in case. 1tbzj is also my referral address for Instawire (1%) and bitcoinvanity.appspot.com (20%), but those amounts would equal some pretty expensive transactions that I referred. It's also a donation address, but who would sweep large (for me) donations to any address like this?

If you can sign a message with the private key for 1aM9FxKHzqNZfnnBvv7BgZ6PSzaN7zfNQ, I can verify it belongs to 1aM9FxKHzqNZfnnBvv7BgZ6PSzaN7zfNQ (if you know how signing works, you know that I never see your private key). If you can prove it's yours, let me know what's up with your transactions.

http://blockchain.info/tx/064266858fbb1392041a3c605e526dcf406ab8c0a43187764e31ba7b75bc3093
http://blockchain.info/tx/57fe9d49aba3b922f347dd4a79331bf6a43b134a4effad8d495f5f5ac42481c7
http://blockchain.info/tx/9c43e57abf364d0ba68b882f27d79dbf4230a41bb27c61e0f6ccd4e679d0a8b6

ETA: Now 200 BTC more from who the hell knows... http://blockchain.info/tx/92d3c868acdcaf25bb8b7fa85fe5e2035ee8af0e600159ae4b3d1a11035d7ae8

And another 300 it seems: http://blockchain.info/tx/3d2c9e562de4de64cb57eb69623bfa144af24676e96cb6b446b3e26bffb6abb7

I draw my hat, TheButterZone, for wanting to return it.

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December 24, 2012, 04:30:51 PM
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I know whats going on here, you've sent them to yourself to get some serious rep before doing some dirty deeds and changing your name to ThePirateZone Wink

Seriously though, big thumbs up for posting it. Its a fairly big amount to just have sitting there, imho a month in cold storage and if no one has claimed it by then I'd use it as investment capital in something that can be cashed in within a few weeks should the rightful owner turn up.

EDIT: Oops, got names mixed up, sry.

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December 24, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
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If you provide a "tip" or "donation" address, and people anonymously send you tips/donations, how do you determine the difference between "tips/donations" which you are intended to spend, and "accidents" that you should hold on to for 100+ years?

In this case: BTC 0.03 is a tip, BTC 300 is an accident.

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