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January 23, 2016, 06:38:33 AM
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unless you start asking for ID which is not going to work

Why won't that work?

My other idea is to make the recipient consume a resource which is more expensive than the current market value of the tokens distributed, e.g. verified mobile numbers. But apparently in some locales, mobile numbers can be obtained for free in unlimited quantities (or am I mistaken about that?).

That is interesting and something to look at. I said it won't work because I believe most people are sceptical about giving their ID and I think I would loose a lot of people in that way. Also, I would have no meaningful way of verifying any ID but just assume that it was real etc. You mean verified mobile numbers as in some kind of verification code by text message?

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January 23, 2016, 09:49:31 AM
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unless you start asking for ID which is not going to work

Why won't that work?

My other idea is to make the recipient consume a resource which is more expensive than the current market value of the tokens distributed, e.g. verified mobile numbers. But apparently in some locales, mobile numbers can be obtained for free in unlimited quantities (or am I mistaken about that?).

That is interesting and something to look at. I said it won't work because I believe most people are sceptical about giving their ID and I think I would loose a lot of people in that way. Also, I would have no meaningful way of verifying any ID but just assume that it was real etc. You mean verified mobile numbers as in some kind of verification code by text message?
IMO very few would unveil this identity and personal informations around here

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January 23, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
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Does anyone have a good idea for distributing a PoS only coins for free? The distribution needs to be widespread and free and there needs to be robust mechanisms in place to prevent fraud such that one person only gets one payout. Using Bitcointalk usernames is just too limited and using IPs seems unreliable so what can be done?

Nothing. IDs are necessary like Aurora coin.
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January 23, 2016, 06:05:54 PM
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no one is giving ids to anyone. users are all about anonymity.

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January 23, 2016, 07:18:26 PM
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Does anyone have a good idea for distributing a PoS only coins for free? The distribution needs to be widespread and free and there needs to be robust mechanisms in place to prevent fraud such that one person only gets one payout. Using Bitcointalk usernames is just too limited and using IPs seems unreliable so what can be done?

Nothing. IDs are necessary like Aurora coin.

I am somewhat against the idea of asking people for ID and there may be some issues around that. I was thinking of using WhatsApp as a distribution tool. As far as I can understand you will need a smart(ish) phone to run WhatsApp and it's linked to your phone number. So you set up a WhatsApp for the coin and users could register through a WhatsApp message. You would then need two (or three) working phones to be able to claim twice and that would be restrictive for most, at least in the beginning before a coin has any real value. WhatsApp is free and it's in use world wide. Any observations on WhatsApp as a distribution tool?

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January 23, 2016, 07:36:15 PM
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Does anyone have a good idea for distributing a PoS only coins for free? The distribution needs to be widespread and free and there needs to be robust mechanisms in place to prevent fraud such that one person only gets one payout. Using Bitcointalk usernames is just too limited and using IPs seems unreliable so what can be done?

Nothing. IDs are necessary like Aurora coin.

I am somewhat against the idea of asking people for ID and there may be some issues around that. I was thinking of using WhatsApp as a distribution tool. As far as I can understand you will need a smart(ish) phone to run WhatsApp and it's linked to your phone number. So you set up a WhatsApp for the coin and users could register through a WhatsApp message. You would then need two (or three) working phones to be able to claim twice and that would be restrictive for most, at least in the beginning before a coin has any real value. WhatsApp is free and it's in use world wide. Any observations on WhatsApp as a distribution tool?

I think there is a way to read the phone's software ID number under Android but it is deprecated. And I think the user can hack this ID number.

Some telcoms employ a simmcard which for example here in the Philippines can be purchased for less than $1. Thus attainnig many phone numbers (for the same phone) is not very expensive.

You'd need some way through the telcoms to verify the unique hardware ID of the phone (the one that can be used to track the phone if it is stolen). Does WhatApp do that?

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January 23, 2016, 07:50:49 PM
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I do not see something bad with the IDs. In an ideal democratic society the finances must be clear and open.
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January 23, 2016, 09:33:21 PM
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I do not see something bad with the IDs. In an ideal democratic society the finances must be clear and open.

This is hardly an ideal democratic society and it's full of all sorts of fraudsters. Another idea would be a face-to-face on Skype to register and get coins. We see your face but you don't need ID. Also, why not have only one unique "coin address" per wallet with no option to create another address and instead have a 'comment' field to designate who and to/from if you wish.

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January 24, 2016, 03:14:42 AM
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We see your face but you don't need ID.

You can't remember all the faces. You would need face recognition technology, but maybe that can be gamed as well.

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January 24, 2016, 03:42:24 AM
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Does anyone have a good idea for distributing a PoS only coins for free? The distribution needs to be widespread and free and there needs to be robust mechanisms in place to prevent fraud such that one person only gets one payout. Using Bitcointalk usernames is just too limited and using IPs seems unreliable so what can be done?

Big toe prints are unique to every person, and not generally used by law enforcement, so no privacy implications.

Applicants upload a photo of their toe scan, which in theory could be scanned using regular fingerprint matching software for duplicates/scammers.

Once the distro was completed the toe prints could be deleted permanently
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January 24, 2016, 09:48:30 AM
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I do not see something bad with the IDs. In an ideal democratic society the finances must be clear and open.

This is hardly an ideal democratic society and it's full of all sorts of fraudsters. Another idea would be a face-to-face on Skype to register and get coins. We see your face but you don't need ID. Also, why not have only one unique "coin address" per wallet with no option to create another address and instead have a 'comment' field to designate who and to/from if you wish.
That skype idea isn't that bad Cheesy

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January 24, 2016, 10:31:32 AM
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Does anyone have a good idea for distributing a PoS only coins for free? The distribution needs to be widespread and free and there needs to be robust mechanisms in place to prevent fraud such that one person only gets one payout. Using Bitcointalk usernames is just too limited and using IPs seems unreliable so what can be done?

Big toe prints are unique to every person, and not generally used by law enforcement, so no privacy implications.

Applicants upload a photo of their toe scan, which in theory could be scanned using regular fingerprint matching software for duplicates/scammers.

Once the distro was completed the toe prints could be deleted permanently

Some coins need permanent distro because they have demurrage (e.g. freicoin) or non-fixed supply.
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January 24, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
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Does anyone have a good idea for distributing a PoS only coins for free? The distribution needs to be widespread and free and there needs to be robust mechanisms in place to prevent fraud such that one person only gets one payout. Using Bitcointalk usernames is just too limited and using IPs seems unreliable so what can be done?

Big toe prints are unique to every person, and not generally used by law enforcement, so no privacy implications.

Applicants upload a photo of their toe scan, which in theory could be scanned using regular fingerprint matching software for duplicates/scammers.

Once the distro was completed the toe prints could be deleted permanently
I can see a new business opportunity over here. Black Big Toe Market - Buy your new personality - Buy a big toe print

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January 24, 2016, 12:28:04 PM
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What about dna fingerprint?
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January 24, 2016, 06:54:32 PM
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What about dna fingerprint?

What about retina deposit. Wee keep your retina until distribution is over.

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January 25, 2016, 01:57:20 AM
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Does anyone have a good idea for distributing a PoS only coins for free? The distribution needs to be widespread and free and there needs to be robust mechanisms in place to prevent fraud such that one person only gets one payout. Using Bitcointalk usernames is just too limited and using IPs seems unreliable so what can be done?

Big toe prints are unique to every person, and not generally used by law enforcement, so no privacy implications.

Applicants upload a photo of their toe scan, which in theory could be scanned using regular fingerprint matching software for duplicates/scammers.

Once the distro was completed the toe prints could be deleted permanently
I can see a new business opportunity over here. Black Big Toe Market - Buy your new personality - Buy a big toe print

haha ... in all seriousness, assuming a project could acquire and use fingerprint scanning software, then big toe scans might work. What opportunities for abuse are there? Probably only someone taking toe prints from disabled & elderly people in nursing homes, and that'd require physical access to the sockpuppet toes (for taking prints and cleaning off the ink). I can't see too many scammers bothering. Also, toe scans still need to be uploaded, so all regular checking for IP's and browser signatures etc would be done.

I think toe scans is too cumbersome for scammers, but viable for genuine applications. Plus great marketing potential Smiley
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January 25, 2016, 06:38:55 AM
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Photoshopped big toe prints.

The scanner is at a distance. You can't prove it was used.

The chin that looks like a vagina is a I think instructive. I'd photoshop my shaved testicle with a big toe print to see if I could fool the system.

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