My edit war with Luke-jr

[ripper234]

So ... I started this page some time ago.

Luke-jr came at one point and introduced this change:

= Why Compete? =
Bitcoin will already have hurdles to grow adoption.
There is no reason to create more by introducing competing crypto-currencies.
The first thing to ask yourself is, why not improve Bitcoin instead of competing?
Even if your changes require a "hard fork", and/or don't get a positive response from the existing Bitcoin community, you can still try them out on a (possibly incompatible) test network (clearly noted as such so people don't try to exchange/use it as real currency; eg, "Bitcoin Infinite Division Test" instead of "TinyCoin").
To date, the only established legitimate reason to start an alt chain, is if you wish to use it for a new purpose - that is, not as a currency.
    
= Basic Changes =

There are a number of flaws with Bitcoin that cannot be corrected without a [[Hardfork Wishlist|"hard fork"]].
Any serious alt chain should at least attempt to address these concerns and issues.

I don't like his changes, and find them anti-competitive towards new alt currencies. I prefer to leave the choice up to the creators of the currencies & the market. I tried reverting his edit multiple times, but he is stubborn.

Thoughts?

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[memvola]

I don't find it so anti-competitive. Encouraging people to make fundamental changes and otherwise work on improving Bitcoin instead makes complete sense.

[smoothie]

LTC is a choice. Luke-jr obviously doesn't want people to have a secondary choice. He is a large investor obviously so it is once again about MONEY.

Fucking asshole lol

[ElectricMucus]

In common wiki spirit, that part should be posted at least under discussion, or possible not even be on the wiki since it is not a discussion about the article but the principal purpose of the subject.

If Luke-jr thinks this has no place on the bitcoin wiki he should vouch for the removal of the subject not argue about the principal behind it in the article.

[K1773R]

LTC is a choice. Luke-jr obviously doesn't want people to have a secondary choice. He is a large investor obviously so it is once again about MONEY.

Fucking asshole lol

first time i have to say ur right!

Luke-Jr hates altcoins, hes a religion fanatic who trys to enforce stuff on others. unfortunately the core devs/team dont care about that, if it would be the community to decide Luke-Jr would have been banned already long ago.

[-ck]

Don't forget his ultimate hypocrisy. He hates alt-coins yet when I wrote the scrypt support for cgminer, he still pulled the scrypt code into his hostile fork of my code since he couldn't stand not having a feature that cgminer has.

[K1773R]

when hes about to die he understands what a piece of shit he is and feel really sad, worth it altough!

[Graet]

LTC is a choice. Luke-jr obviously doesn't want people to have a secondary choice. He is a large investor obviously so it is once again about MONEY.

Fucking asshole lol

first time i have to say ur right!

Luke-Jr hates altcoins, hes a religion fanatic who trys to enforce stuff on others. unfortunately the core devs/team dont care about that, if it would be the community to decide Luke-Jr would have been banned already long ago.

at the time of bip 17/22 the devs were talking about removing him due to his disruptive influence - all seems to have settled down and be buddy buddy now....
Luke is a well known wiki vandal - he has put his opinions and heavily edited the Bitcoin wikis Litecoin page - part of the reason the Litecoin wiki was created

I have also asked him why he put scrypt support in his mining software as he is so opposed to alt-chains - he refused to answer my question (as usual)

[K1773R]

LTC is a choice. Luke-jr obviously doesn't want people to have a secondary choice. He is a large investor obviously so it is once again about MONEY.

Fucking asshole lol

first time i have to say ur right!

Luke-Jr hates altcoins, hes a religion fanatic who trys to enforce stuff on others. unfortunately the core devs/team dont care about that, if it would be the community to decide Luke-Jr would have been banned already long ago.

at the time of bip 17/22 the devs were talking about removing him due to his disruptive influence - all seems to have settled down and be buddy buddy now....
Luke is a well known wiki vandal - he has put his opinions and heavily edited the Bitcoin wikis Litecoin page - part of the reason the Litecoin wiki was created

I have also asked him why he put scrypt support in his mining software as he is so opposed to alt-chains - he refused to answer my question (as usual)

ah, good to see! there is still hope.

[franky1]

if i remember rightly luke-jr made his own alt coin a few months ago, i think it was BBQ coin or something. it didnt catch on which is why i think that he now hates alt coins like litecoin because they have succeeded where he failed.

if an altcoin had no benefits or competition, there would be no reason for him to get so emotional about it. i dont get emotional of the threat that monopoly money will become mainstream. because they have no value or demand beyond the game, so i dont care about it.

luke Jr's hatred of litecoin just proves one thing, it has value and is a competitor. He is afraid of its success

[K1773R]

if i remember rightly luke-jr made his own alt coin a few months ago, i think it was BBQ coin or something. it didnt catch on which is why i think that he now hates alt coins like litecoin because they have succeeded where he failed.

if an altcoin had no benefits or competition, there would be no reason for him to get so emotional about it. i dont get emotional of the threat that monopoly money will become mainstream. because they have no value or demand beyond the game, so i dont care about it.

luke Jr's hatred of litecoin just proves one thing, it has value and is a competitor. He is afraid of its success

no, BBQ was a kids joke, Luke-Jr attacked it with his pool Eligius.

[12gaFacelift]

hey im on my way to luke house.....

[ElectricMucus]

Where is the guy anyway? He should have had time by now to explain himself.

[-ck]

Where is the guy anyway? He should have had time by now to explain himself.

I can save you the trouble of waiting for him to answer. Whenever there's a valid objection to his actions or claims his response is "it's not true" and/or "you're just trolling", and whenever there's a valid question asked of him where he doesn't like the answer, he never responds since he never says he's wrong. If you say something that might involve him being shown to be a liar, he gets a mod to delete your post.

[galambo]

That's a pretty harsh indictment ckolivas. Why do you not like luke-jr so much?

[kano]

Luke-Jr has a wikipedia page.
It will explain to you why many people dislike him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex

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That's a pretty harsh indictment ckolivas. Why do you not like luke-jr so much?

There are hundreds of pages of forum entries outlining his behaviour, not just to me, but to the whole bitcoin community at large. Do you really need me to elaborate?

Here's a vague reminder that didn't even involve me:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62037.0

[K1773R]

Where is the guy anyway? He should have had time by now to explain himself.

wont happen, religion fanatics dont have balls all u get "ur lieing"

[sd]

I don't like his changes, and find them anti-competitive towards new alt currencies. I prefer to leave the choice up to the creators of the currencies & the market. I tried reverting his edit multiple times, but he is stubborn.

Thoughts?

The text Luke-jr added is entirely reasonable. The Wiki should present all reasonable sides to the story, yet you appear to be trying to bias it to your viewpoint alone.

If you tried to revert his change multiple times, and he added the same edits multiple times then you are both misbehaving. A neutral third party should resolve the situation.

[ripper234]

I don't like his changes, and find them anti-competitive towards new alt currencies. I prefer to leave the choice up to the creators of the currencies & the market. I tried reverting his edit multiple times, but he is stubborn.

Thoughts?

The text Luke-jr added is entirely reasonable. The Wiki should present all reasonable sides to the story, yet you appear to be trying to bias it to your viewpoint alone.

If you tried to revert his change multiple times, and he added the same edits multiple times then you are both misbehaving. A neutral third party should resolve the situation.

I asked him to discuss it, he just reverted my edit without any discussion.
The text is not reasonable, it is too strict in favor of bitcoin and against alts. None of the alts today qualify to this strict standard.
Luek-jr is trying to dictate one specific line of development of bitcoin forks.

Any suggestions of a neutral third party? Poll?

I really don't like wasting my time in wiki edit wars. My guess is even if a poll was published and rejected luke-jr's edit, he would not abide by the result of the poll.