Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another?

[CIYAM]

Oh, how I love those "I know something you don't. I'm not telling you what it is, but I'm telling you how you should feel about it. Trust me." posts.

I did not ask anyone to trust me (and I don't expect that they should).

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Then those Core developers have mistaken Bitcoin development for high school.

Just like Gavin calling Luke-Jr "poisonous" heh?

(you hero worship of the guy is rather demeaning of yourself - he acted quite clearly as a bully then and is trying to do so now)

Your personal attacks on my character remind me of the time you tried to extort the forum and blame it on your wife. Remember that?

[Fatman3001]

Additionally, you would be an excellent candidate for some mining pools to pay a salary as a developer being that you live in china, have a Chinese wife, are a proficient developer , and can help bridge the gap in understanding between the rest of core developers and Chinese miners.

?

I think his posts here has proven the opposite.

[CIYAM]

Additionally, you would be an excellent candidate for some mining pools to pay a salary as a developer being that you live in china, have a Chinese wife, are a proficient developer , and can help bridge the gap in understanding between the rest of core developers and Chinese miners.

I offered @eric to help with communication (and free of charge).

I don't live in Beijing now so unfortunately that might not be suitable for him.

[CIYAM]

Your personal attacks on my character remind me of the time you tried to extort the forum and blame it on your wife. Remember that?

You can try and troll me all you like - but it isn't going to work.

I am not the only forum member that is now actively posting to try and protect Bitcoin from the reckless approach that Gavin is using in order to try and wrest political control from the project.

Luckily I think that once Gavin has tried one or two times more he will find it hard to actually garner any further support and will disappear.

[BitUsher]

I think his posts here has proven the opposite.

None of us are perfect, and we can all get a bit heated at times. A good manager can understand and lead in such a way to allow developers to grow and contribute in the right environment. You don't have to provoke him either... what is the point?

[Fatman3001]

Oh, how I love those "I know something you don't. I'm not telling you what it is, but I'm telling you how you should feel about it. Trust me." posts.

I did not ask anyone to trust me (and I don't expect that they should).

Let me clarify:

If you can't talk about something -> Don't talk about it.

You're not being fair to those who gave you this information, you're not being fair to Gavin, and you're not being fair to anyone reading your unsubstantiated attacks against him.

[CIYAM]

You're not being fair to those who gave you this information, you're not being fair to Gavin, and you're not being fair to anyone reading your unsubstantiated attacks against him.

Okay - I will not say anything more about Gavin in terms of a personal attack then (if you think my previous posts should be deleted then please report them to a moderator who can decide).

Also Gavin still has an account on this forum so he can always defend himself if he wants to.

[Fatman3001]

You're not being fair to those who gave you this information, you're not being fair to Gavin, and you're not being fair to anyone reading your unsubstantiated attacks against him.

Okay - I will not say anything more about Gavin in terms of a personal attack then (if you think my previous posts should be deleted then please report them to a moderator who can decide).

Also Gavin still has an account on this forum so he can always defend himself if he wants to.

No he can't. No one can. That's the point I'm trying to make.

[BitUsher]

http://xtnodes.com/other_nodes_and_xt_nodes_alldata.php

An interesting note on a reversal of node count drop off in that data. There appears to be a slight reversal in the downward trend due to decentralization of implementations. It will be interesting to see if this number continues to increase or not. We really need more incentives to increase economic full nodes. Payment channels like lightning may be the larger incentive to do just that.

[CIYAM]

No he can't. No one can. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Again - if you think I've "overstepped the mark" then report my posts to the mods (I'll have no problem at all if they decide to delete them).

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

http://xtnodes.com/other_nodes_and_xt_nodes_alldata.php

An interesting note on a reversal of node count drop off in that data. There appears to be a slight reversal in the downward trend due to decentralization of implementations. It will be interesting to see if this number continues to increase or not. We really need more incentives to increase economic full nodes. Payment channels like lightning may be the larger incentive to do just that.

How do you explain the fact that China has so few full nodes?

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

No he can't. No one can. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Again - if you think I've "overstepped the mark" then report my posts to the mods (I'll have no problem at all if they decide to delete them).

I think one of the implications here is that you should have better known better in the first place.

[CIYAM]

How do you explain the fact that China has so few full nodes?

The GCF (Great Chinese Firewall) makes it basically impossible to run a full-node without using a proxy and that is not something that most people in China even know how to do.

For mining they are basically using SPV in order to get blocks solved as fast as possible (it isn't great and has been shown to cause forks but the profit motive from mining is the main concern in China - not "being a good citizen").

[CIYAM]

I think one of the implications here is that you should have better known better in the first place.

As a courtesy to you I have deleted the post in question.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I think it's pretty disingenuous at this point to suggest that any of these guys don't want what's best for Bitcoin. They just don't/can't/won't agree on what that is.

[CIYAM]

I think it's pretty disingenuous at this point to suggest that any of these guys don't want what's best for Bitcoin. They just don't/can't/won't agree on what that is.

The strategy of Gavin is to say "we need to change right now so give me control of the project with this simple but nasty hack" whereas the strategy of the core devs is we are building proper scalability solutions and have a plan.

I'd say that the plan is the better way forward (and I'm not even being paid for saying this - shame on me).

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I think it's pretty disingenuous at this point to suggest that any of these guys don't want what's best for Bitcoin. They just don't/can't/won't agree on what that is.

The strategy of Gavin is to say "we need to change right now so give me control of the project with this simple but nasty hack" whereas the strategy of the core devs is we are building proper scalability solutions and have a plan.

I'd say that the plan is the better way forward.

This is ridiculous. Gavin gave up his role as benevolent dictator. Who do you think dished out all the commit access in the first place?

The man honestly believes that different implementations are the right way to go about decentralizing all the things. He might be wrong, but to (yet again) suggest he's illintentioned is bad faith at best.

[CIYAM]

This is ridiculous. Gavin gave up his role as benevolent dictator. Who do you think dished out all the commit access in the first place?

Likely a move he has now regretted (as he is clearly trying to get back this power).

The man honestly believes that different implementations are the right way to go about decentralizing all the things. He might be wrong, but to (yet again) suggest he's illintentioned is bad faith at best.

If he was serious then he wouldn't just switch from XT to Classic in a matter of weeks and not even bother turning up to Hong Kong to discuss capacity scaling, etc.

It is hard to imagine that he is not trying to destroy the project when he refuses to communicate with anyone involved (and instead runs around trying to get a hard-fork to happen with as little as 75% consensus).

How on earth can you put a positive spin on his behaviour since he left?

[Fatman3001]

I think it's pretty disingenuous at this point to suggest that any of these guys don't want what's best for Bitcoin. They just don't/can't/won't agree on what that is.

The strategy of Gavin is to say "we need to change right now so give me control of the project with this simple but nasty hack" whereas the strategy of the core devs is we are building proper scalability solutions and have a plan.

I'd say that the plan is the better way forward (and I'm not even being paid for saying this - shame on me).

In the middle of all of this there seems to be a genuine disagreement about the potential consequences of limiting the capacity of the network until the different scaling measures take effect. I can understand why many programmers may be hesitant about doing a hard fork, but there are potential consequences for the Bitcoin economy which might be a larger threat to Bitcoins success than a nail biting hard fork.





An optimist might think Bitcoin needs room to grow sooner rather than later.