My wife is a hero: mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves kids

[MysteryMiner]

I've got a former soviet weapon as well. 

What model if it is not secret?

Yeah, but you guys have all those ex-soviet nukes. The US still keeps track of theirs.

USA keeps track of ex-soviet nukes too. Russians take all nukes with them when they left Latvia. In Latvia only research reactor remained. The USA asked to shut it down and send all fissile material abroad and our politics readily take goatse position and now Latvia is no more a nuclear superpower. I spoke with persons who worked there and they told that in case of need a nukes could be produced in less than year.

The USA is not only disarming their own citizens, it even disarms other sovereign nations. So You could sleep peacefully, there is not many nations that can have both nukes and different opinions than USA government. And if monkey comes in your house, use pepper spray. 

[Foxpup]

This also shows that low-capacity magazines also are no option even for self-defense. She used all six bullets from revolver

Guys, stop misquoting each other.  Both the article, and I, have pointed out that she used five shots.  The article implies, probably incorrectly, that the revolver was a six shooter.  Odds are high that it was either a 5 shot revolver, or another caliber.  The six round 38 special is a rare animal for a variety of technical reasons, and as far as I am aware, none have been mass produced in over 50 years.  You can get a 22lr revovler in 5, 6 & 8 round versions; and larger caliber revolvers (45?) in rather heavy & large 6 round versions, but a 6 round 38 special cannot be a compact weapon, and as such is uncommon.  

What the Hell are you talking about? The article specifically mentions that the gun was a ".38 revolver" which is stated to be empty after six shots were fired. Presumably it was a .38 Special, which to this day is the single most popular revolver cartridge, with a 6-shot cylinder being most common for this calibre (although 5- and 7-shot revolvers exist), hardly a "rare animal". There were a total of 6 shots fired: 5 hits and 1 miss. Learn to read.

[MysteryMiner]

There were a total of 6 shots fired: 5 hits and 1 miss. Learn to read.

Hitting monkey 5 times in head is still considered a miss!

[myrkul]

For the record:

When the suspect went into the closet where the family was hiding, the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.

    “He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

I wonder which one missed.

[bbit]

It's a right!!!!!!!!!

[TheButterZone]

Was it a miss, or a "warning shot"? Which I fucking hate unless you have a full load blank and fire it with your arm outstretched above your head directly up into the sky, starter pistol style, to get the attention of an active violent criminal whose back is turned and you don't have a clear shot and backstop on.

[MoonShadow]

This also shows that low-capacity magazines also are no option even for self-defense. She used all six bullets from revolver

Guys, stop misquoting each other.  Both the article, and I, have pointed out that she used five shots.  The article implies, probably incorrectly, that the revolver was a six shooter.  Odds are high that it was either a 5 shot revolver, or another caliber.  The six round 38 special is a rare animal for a variety of technical reasons, and as far as I am aware, none have been mass produced in over 50 years.  You can get a 22lr revovler in 5, 6 & 8 round versions; and larger caliber revolvers (45?) in rather heavy & large 6 round versions, but a 6 round 38 special cannot be a compact weapon, and as such is uncommon.  

What the Hell are you talking about? The article specifically mentions that the gun was a ".38 revolver" which is stated to be empty after six shots were fired. Presumably it was a .38 Special, which to this day is the single most popular revolver cartridge, with a 6-shot cylinder being most common for this calibre (although 5- and 7-shot revolvers exist), hardly a "rare animal". There were a total of 6 shots fired: 5 hits and 1 miss. Learn to read.

I read it, I question it's accuracy.  I did a google search for other articles on this event, and among those that I could find, no others actually said that she fired 6 shots.  All of them said that she hit him in the face and neck 5 times, and a few mentioned that she had emptied the revolver but still buffaloed the guy by telling him that if he got up she'd shoot again, before running to a neighbor's house with her kids.  I find it very likely that it was a 38 special, but not likely that it was a six shooter.  I have zero evidence, mind you, but experience regarding how often early reporting gets details wrong makes me believe that the writer of this article interpreted "hit five times, empty revolver" to mean that she missed once.  How many reporters do you think have experience with a revolver, and how many only think of wild west movies?  A 38 special in six shots is rare, because they have to be the frame size of a service revolver.  While reducing the capacity by one reduces both weight and frame size significantly, making the 38 special a crediblely compact & concealable weapon.  Which is pretty much how they are used, and thus how manufactures make them.  While I wouldn't doubt that full size frame revolvers are still manufactured, perhaps for "cowboy shooting" competitions, the majority that exist are old handguns from the days that such revolvers were the standard police issue sidearm.  Their numbers are significantly outweighed by the number of 5 shot compact revolvers.  I don't even know if I'd trust such an old handgun to not blow up in my hand, considering the significant advancements in +P powder tech.  The 38 special was originally a black powder round, and has gone through a number of 'revisions' over the past 100+ years of it's existence.

Could she have used a 6 shot 38?  Yes.  I just don't consider that combination likely.

[Foxpup]

I read it, I question it's accuracy.  I did a google search for other articles on this event, and among those that I could find, no others actually said that she fired 6 shots.  All of them said that she hit him in the face and neck 5 times, and a few mentioned that she had emptied the revolver but still buffaloed the guy by telling him that if he got up she'd shoot again, before running to a neighbor's house with her kids.  I find it very likely that it was a 38 special, but not likely that it was a six shooter.  I have zero evidence, mind you, but experience regarding how often early reporting gets details wrong makes me believe that the writer of this article interpreted "hit five times, empty revolver" to mean that she missed once.

The sheriff said six shots were fired. The reporter didn't infer this, he cited the county sheriff as the source of this specific information, and he's not likely to be mistaken about such a simple detail. Maybe he is, but I think it's most unlikely.

A 38 special in six shots is rare, because they have to be the frame size of a service revolver.  While reducing the capacity by one reduces both weight and frame size significantly, making the 38 special a crediblely compact & concealable weapon.  Which is pretty much how they are used, and thus how manufactures make them.  While I wouldn't doubt that full size frame revolvers are still manufactured, perhaps for "cowboy shooting" competitions, the majority that exist are old handguns from the days that such revolvers were the standard police issue sidearm.  Their numbers are significantly outweighed by the number of 5 shot compact revolvers.

[citation needed] Last time I checked, 6-shot .38 Special revolvers were very common, if not the most common type of revolver used today. Sure, 5-shot revolvers are pretty common, but I don't think six-shooters are anywhere near as rare as you seem to think. Besides, who's to say this woman isn't involved in "cowboy shooting" competitions? I mean, who keeps a revolver for self-defence purposes these days?

[myrkul]

I mean, who keeps a revolver for self-defence purposes these days?

As I understand it, a .38 revolver offers a good combination of concealability, reliability, and stopping power. The relatively low ammo capacity is the only real drawback.

[fornit]

As I understand it, a .38 revolver offers a good combination of concealability, reliability, and stopping power. The relatively low ammo capacity is the only real drawback.

i think your imagination regarding self-defense scenarios is a bit limited. a .38 revolver is inaccurate at long distances, has a very low rate of fire and no capability to penetrate body armor or walls. i would recommend a hk mp7 pdw. if legal in your jurisdiction of course.

[myrkul]

As I understand it, a .38 revolver offers a good combination of concealability, reliability, and stopping power. The relatively low ammo capacity is the only real drawback.

i think your imagination regarding self-defense scenarios is a bit limited. a .38 revolver is inaccurate at long distances, has a very low rate of fire and no capability to penetrate body armor or walls. i would recommend a hk mp7 pdw. if legal in your jurisdiction of course.

I think your imagination regarding self-defense scenarios is a bit over-influenced by Hollywood. Most defense incidents occur at very close range, and don't need a flood of lead. Most attackers don't wear body armor, and the last thing you want to do in a home defense situation is to penetrate a wall.

An MP7 is a fine weapon. If you're a bodyguard. For carrying in a purse or keeping in the nightstand, I'd pick a .38. Besides, the P90 is prettier.

[fornit]

I think your imagination regarding self-defense scenarios is a bit over-influenced by Hollywood. Most defense incidents occur at very close range, and don't need a flood of lead. Most attackers don't wear body armor,

just covering all the angles. most means you come out ahead in most self-defense scenarios. who wants that?

and the last thing you want to do in a home defense situation is to penetrate a wall.

i think even in the US with the papier mache houses, you probably wont be able to shoot through an exterior wall. besides, if you want to "accidentally" shoot your husband/wife in your house, its kind of ackward to explain when you got line of sight. definite upside of a pdw in a country with so many bad divorces 

An MP7 is a fine weapon. If you're a bodyguard. For carrying in a purse or keeping in the nightstand, I'd pick a .38.

i might be a little antiquated in that matter, but i would still feel a little unmanly with a purse anyway. a holstered mp7 and that cap
and no one will ever fuck with you!

[myrkul]

a holstered mp7 and that cap and no one will ever fuck with you!

I'm sure, that as a manly man, you know that an MP7, as an SMG, is slung, not holstered.

[MoonShadow]

i think even in the US with the papier mache houses, you probably wont be able to shoot through an exterior wall.

Excepting a brick or stone facade, I can do that with a copper jacketed roundnose 22lr.  It wouldn't be moving very fast on the other side, which is good, but it'd go through.  Anything supersonic and a solid leading edge would not likely have trouble breaking through plastic siding, a sheet of 1/2 inch thick plywood and a sheet of 1/2 inch thick drywall board.

[fornit]

a holstered mp7 and that cap and no one will ever fuck with you!

I'm sure, that as a manly man, you know that an MP7, as an SMG, is slung, not holstered.

it can be holstered or slung.

i think even in the US with the papier mache houses, you probably wont be able to shoot through an exterior wall.

Excepting a brick or stone facade, I can do that with a copper jacketed roundnose 22lr.  It wouldn't be moving very fast on the other side, which is good, but it'd go through.  Anything supersonic and a solid leading edge would not likely have trouble breaking through plastic siding, a sheet of 1/2 inch thick plywood and a sheet of 1/2 inch thick drywall board.

i stand corrected. no wonder every little puff leaves you homeless 

[myrkul]

a holstered mp7 and that cap and no one will ever fuck with you!

I'm sure, that as a manly man, you know that an MP7, as an SMG, is slung, not holstered.

it can be holstered or slung.

Ah, I stand corrected. It does, however, require a thigh holster.

I'm sure you also know that women, who tend to be physically weaker, not only benefit more from the addition of a firearm, but also benefit more often, being the target of violence more often than men.

[MoonShadow]

i think even in the US with the papier mache houses, you probably wont be able to shoot through an exterior wall.

Excepting a brick or stone facade, I can do that with a copper jacketed roundnose 22lr.  It wouldn't be moving very fast on the other side, which is good, but it'd go through.  Anything supersonic and a solid leading edge would not likely have trouble breaking through plastic siding, a sheet of 1/2 inch thick plywood and a sheet of 1/2 inch thick drywall board.

A sheet of 1/2" ply! You must live in tornado alley or something! The new houses they build in the developments around here don't even use plywood (or osb) for the exterior anymore. They use foam board, with osb at the corners. You can literally break into someone's home by cutting through a wall with a utility knife. I have pellet rifles that can penetrate that!

LOL!  I live in tornado alley!

[sounds]

A sheet of 1/2" ply! You must live in tornado alley or something! The new houses they build in the developments around here don't even use plywood (or osb) for the exterior anymore. They use foam board, with osb at the corners. You can literally break into someone's home by cutting through a wall with a utility knife. I have pellet rifles that can penetrate that!

That's pretty sad! Can you name an area where they do that? (but not your location please)

[myrkul]

A sheet of 1/2" ply! You must live in tornado alley or something! The new houses they build in the developments around here don't even use plywood (or osb) for the exterior anymore. They use foam board, with osb at the corners. You can literally break into someone's home by cutting through a wall with a utility knife. I have pellet rifles that can penetrate that!

That's pretty sad! Can you name an area where they do that? (but not your location please)

I don't travel much, but I've seen it mostly in the large developments where the houses seem to go up overnight. Typically, a single house being built with the oversight of the landowners is sheathed in osb or plywood, then possibly foam board over that. I'll try to look for it the next time I'm driving past a new development and snap a few shots.

Really makes me appreciate the brownstone I grew up in.

[Richy_T]

OTOH, there was someone killed a couple of years ago who lived in a brick house when the wall blew over and fell on them.

Though in the US, even brick houses are commonly wooden frame. If I ever build a house, it will be all-brick just like my parents' was.