280 BTC total bets between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?)

[SgtSpike]

SgtSpike: ok. Have you considered the possibility that the bubble might pop before July 1st? You might want to get 20 BTC now rather than 40 BTC later. As they say, 1 bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush

I have considered said possibility.  Thanks anyway. 

[CrazyGuy]

1:1 bet on sgt spike terms and I'm in for 5 BTC. They deliver 3 units by July 1st at Avalon or better power ratio.

SgtSpike: I am willing to buy you out.

I am incredibly busy right now, and do not have time to look up all the details, but can you confirm that Micon vs. you is the same bet as Micon vs. me, except the power requirement which is 150+ Mhash/J (Micon vs. you) instead of 350+ Mhash/J (Micon vs. me) ? If that is the case, yes I will definitely buy your 20 BTC share.

Micon: after I buy SgtSpike out, I can add more coins.

some1 get me an escrow!   

I feel bad making Mike do it. 

is there no1 else we trust that knows how to generate btc-address escrow codes?

Do we have someone to escrow?

[dooglus]

1:1 bet on sgt spike terms and I'm in for 5 BTC. They deliver 3 units by July 1st at Avalon or better power ratio.

SgtSpike: I am willing to buy you out.

some1 get me an escrow!   

I feel bad making Mike do it. 

is there no1 else we trust that knows how to generate btc-address escrow codes?

Do we have someone to escrow?

I'm able and willing.  It sounds like you might need two sets of codes - one for CrazyBlane and one for mrb to buy out SgtSpike's bet.

My GPG public key is linked in my signature for secure communication.  How has Mike communicated the escrow codes in the past?

[SgtSpike]

1:1 bet on sgt spike terms and I'm in for 5 BTC. They deliver 3 units by July 1st at Avalon or better power ratio.

SgtSpike: I am willing to buy you out.

some1 get me an escrow!   

I feel bad making Mike do it. 

is there no1 else we trust that knows how to generate btc-address escrow codes?

Do we have someone to escrow?

I'm able and willing.  It sounds like you might need two sets of codes - one for CrazyBlane and one for mrb to buy out SgtSpike's bet.

My GPG public key is linked in my signature for secure communication.  How has Mike communicated the escrow codes in the past?

My bet is no longer for sale, so you just need one set of codes.

[SgtSpike]

Micon - I am willing to increase our bet up to an additional 100 BTC.  If you agree, we can both just pay the original bet address.

[Micon]

Micon - I am willing to increase our bet up to an additional 100 BTC.  If you agree, we can both just pay the original bet address.

I'm in, just please agree to these restated the terms (as this is gonna be a ~ $10k bet when book, who knows what it will be worth when settled) :

SgtSpike bets 100 BTC that this statement is true:

BFL will ship out 3+ ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3+a customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate. 

Micon bets this statement is false, also for 100 btc.

Unlike the betsofbitco.in fiasco, I don't believe there will be a problem between 2 gentleman bettors.  Result should be abundantly clear on the morning of 7/1

Just agree to this and we can both hit the hash. 

[SgtSpike]

Micon - I am willing to increase our bet up to an additional 100 BTC.  If you agree, we can both just pay the original bet address.

I'm in, just please agree to these restated the terms (as this is gonna be a ~ $10k bet when book, who knows what it will be worth when settled) :

SgtSpike bets 100 BTC that this statement is true:

BFL will ship out 3+ ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3+a customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  

Micon bets this statement is false, also for 100 btc.

Unlike the betsofbitco.in fiasco, I don't believe there will be a problem between 2 gentleman bettors.  Result should be abundantly clear on the morning of 7/1

Just agree to this and we can both hit the hash.  

Sure.  I would like to further clarify:

The terminology included in this bet does not change the original 20 BTC bet in any way.  The original 20 BTC bet is only held to the terms specified at the time of the original bet.

(My changes in bold):
BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships out devices that do not meet the power requirement, this does not conclude the bet.  As long as BFL ships out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST, the statement is true, and the bet is won in SgtSpike's favor.

If you agree to my statement as outlined above, post here stating as much, and then we can both send in our 100 BTC to the original Bitcoin address, 1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

[Micon]

Micon - I am willing to increase our bet up to an additional 100 BTC.  If you agree, we can both just pay the original bet address.

I'm in, just please agree to these restated the terms (as this is gonna be a ~ $10k bet when book, who knows what it will be worth when settled) :

SgtSpike bets 100 BTC that this statement is true:

BFL will ship out 3+ ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3+a customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  

Micon bets this statement is false, also for 100 btc.

Unlike the betsofbitco.in fiasco, I don't believe there will be a problem between 2 gentleman bettors.  Result should be abundantly clear on the morning of 7/1

Just agree to this and we can both hit the hash.  

Sure.  I would like to further clarify:

The terminology included in this bet does not change the original 20 BTC bet in any way.  The original 20 BTC bet is only held to the terms specified at the time of the original bet.

(My changes in bold):
BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships out devices that do not meet the power requirement, this does not conclude the bet.  As long as BFL ships out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST, the statement is true, and the bet is won in SgtSpike's favor.

If you agree to my statement as outlined above, post here stating as much, and then we can both send in our 100 BTC to the original Bitcoin address, 1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

I think we are 1mm from having a bet here, I really don't like your sentence "If BFL ships out devices that do not meet the power requirement, this does not conclude the bet" I understand what you mean and I agree, i.e. if BFL ships a device that doesn't meet power specs but then does ship 3x+ that do meet our spec by our date then you would win.  I agree to that no problem.

Maybe I just ask you to reword it 1 more time and then I hit the hash?  I think we will have a 200 coin extra bet here by the end of the day.

[ColdHardMetal]

hit the hash

This is completely off topic, but for some reason I really, really hate it whenever you say that.

[darkmule]

I like hitting the hash from time to time.  Mmmm.  Tastes like a Christmas tree.

[SgtSpike]

Micon - I am willing to increase our bet up to an additional 100 BTC.  If you agree, we can both just pay the original bet address.

I'm in, just please agree to these restated the terms (as this is gonna be a ~ $10k bet when book, who knows what it will be worth when settled) :

SgtSpike bets 100 BTC that this statement is true:

BFL will ship out 3+ ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3+a customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  

Micon bets this statement is false, also for 100 btc.

Unlike the betsofbitco.in fiasco, I don't believe there will be a problem between 2 gentleman bettors.  Result should be abundantly clear on the morning of 7/1

Just agree to this and we can both hit the hash.  

Sure.  I would like to further clarify:

The terminology included in this bet does not change the original 20 BTC bet in any way.  The original 20 BTC bet is only held to the terms specified at the time of the original bet.

(My changes in bold):
BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships out devices that do not meet the power requirement, this does not conclude the bet.  As long as BFL ships out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST, the statement is true, and the bet is won in SgtSpike's favor.

If you agree to my statement as outlined above, post here stating as much, and then we can both send in our 100 BTC to the original Bitcoin address, 1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

I think we are 1mm from having a bet here, I really don't like your sentence "If BFL ships out devices that do not meet the power requirement, this does not conclude the bet" I understand what you mean and I agree, i.e. if BFL ships a device that doesn't meet power specs but then does ship 3x+ that do meet our spec by our date then you would win.  I agree to that no problem.

Maybe I just ask you to reword it 1 more time and then I hit the hash?  I think we will have a 200 coin extra bet here by the end of the day.

Ok, final (hopefully) wording of the bet:

The terminology included in this bet does not change the original 20 BTC bet in any way.  The original 20 BTC bet is only held to the terms specified at the time of the original bet.

BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships a device that does not meet the power specification, but then does ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices meeting the above criteria before the deadline, then SgtSpike wins the bet.

If you agree to my statement as outlined above, post here stating as much, and then we can both send in our 100 BTC to the original Bitcoin address, 1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

[Micon]

Micon - I am willing to increase our bet up to an additional 100 BTC.  If you agree, we can both just pay the original bet address.

I'm in, just please agree to these restated the terms (as this is gonna be a ~ $10k bet when book, who knows what it will be worth when settled) :

SgtSpike bets 100 BTC that this statement is true:

BFL will ship out 3+ ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3+a customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  

Micon bets this statement is false, also for 100 btc.

Unlike the betsofbitco.in fiasco, I don't believe there will be a problem between 2 gentleman bettors.  Result should be abundantly clear on the morning of 7/1

Just agree to this and we can both hit the hash.  

Sure.  I would like to further clarify:

The terminology included in this bet does not change the original 20 BTC bet in any way.  The original 20 BTC bet is only held to the terms specified at the time of the original bet.

(My changes in bold):
BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships out devices that do not meet the power requirement, this does not conclude the bet.  As long as BFL ships out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST, the statement is true, and the bet is won in SgtSpike's favor.

If you agree to my statement as outlined above, post here stating as much, and then we can both send in our 100 BTC to the original Bitcoin address, 1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

I think we are 1mm from having a bet here, I really don't like your sentence "If BFL ships out devices that do not meet the power requirement, this does not conclude the bet" I understand what you mean and I agree, i.e. if BFL ships a device that doesn't meet power specs but then does ship 3x+ that do meet our spec by our date then you would win.  I agree to that no problem.

Maybe I just ask you to reword it 1 more time and then I hit the hash?  I think we will have a 200 coin extra bet here by the end of the day.

Ok, final (hopefully) wording of the bet:

The terminology included in this bet does not change the original 20 BTC bet in any way.  The original 20 BTC bet is only held to the terms specified at the time of the original bet.

BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships a device that does not meet the power specification, but then does ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices meeting the above criteria before the deadline, then SgtSpike wins the bet.

If you agree to my statement as outlined above, post here stating as much, and then we can both send in our 100 BTC to the original Bitcoin address, 1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

sounds good / will ship in a few hrs

[CrazyGuy]

...
BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships a device that does not meet the power specification, but then does ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices meeting the above criteria before the deadline, then SgtSpike wins the bet.
...

I would like to move forward on our measly 5 BTC bet with the same terms written above. Are we using Escrow?

[Micon]

...
BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships a device that does not meet the power specification, but then does ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices meeting the above criteria before the deadline, then SgtSpike wins the bet.
...

I would like to move forward on our measly 5 BTC bet with the same terms written above. Are we using Escrow?

Dooglus it up for Escrow IMO.  ur on / same terms / 5 coins each

FYI waiting on a SwC cashout for this:

https://blockchain.info/address/1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

address for the 100 coin increase but it's on the way.  BTC check is in the mail.  by the time I wake up it should be there / gl SgtSpike

edit:  shipped

[Micon]

The terminology included in this bet does not change the original 20 BTC bet in any way.  The original 20 BTC bet is only held to the terms specified at the time of the original bet.

BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships a device that does not meet the power specification, but then does ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices meeting the above criteria before the deadline, then SgtSpike wins the bet.

If you agree to my statement as outlined above, post here stating as much, and then we can both send in our 100 BTC to the original Bitcoin address, 1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

https://blockchain.info/address/1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

I have sent 100 coins additional here.  Your turn SgtSpike!  glglgl

[CrazyGuy]

...
BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships a device that does not meet the power specification, but then does ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices meeting the above criteria before the deadline, then SgtSpike wins the bet.
...

I would like to move forward on our measly 5 BTC bet with the same terms written above. Are we using Escrow?

Dooglus it up for Escrow IMO.  ur on / same terms / 5 coins each

FYI waiting on a SwC cashout for this:

https://blockchain.info/address/1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

address for the 100 coin increase but it's on the way.  BTC check is in the mail.  by the time I wake up it should be there / gl SgtSpike

edit:  shipped

Ok, dooglus works for me, let's do it.

[dooglus]

Ok, dooglus works for me, let's do it.

Can you PM me your email address?  I don't want to put the escrow codes in a forum PM where others may be able to see them.  I have an address for Micon.  If you want me to GPG encrypt the code, send me your public key too, though that's up to you.

Also, am I correct that the terms for this bet are the same as SgtSpike just restated, in that BFL can deliver many devices which fail to meet the power requirements and Micon still loses so long as they ship enough which do meet the requirements by the deadline (and get pics posted, etc.)?  Basically just saying that Micon can't win before the deadline, no matter what junk BFL ships.

[Micon]

Ok, dooglus works for me, let's do it.

Can you PM me your email address?  I don't want to put the escrow codes in a forum PM where others may be able to see them.  I have an address for Micon.  If you want me to GPG encrypt the code, send me your public key too, though that's up to you.

Also, am I correct that the terms for this bet are the same as SgtSpike just restated, in that BFL can deliver many devices which fail to meet the power requirements and Micon still loses so long as they ship enough which do meet the requirements by the deadline (and get pics posted, etc.)?  Basically just saying that Micon can't win before the deadline, no matter what junk BFL ships.

You got it my man.  Thanks very much for acting as our escrow.   No pgp needed for me, this should be very easy to settle, unlikely there will be debate with our carefully worded statement.

also still waiting on SgtSpike's 100 coins for this --> https://blockchain.info/address/1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

[dooglus]

You got it my man.  Thanks very much for acting as our escrow.   No pgp needed for me, this should be very easy to settle, unlikely there will be debate with our carefully worded statement.

No problem.

Note that PGP isn't to avoid debate by the way; it's to avoid someone being able to intercept your email and steal your coins.  Your ISP, perhaps, or some rogue google employee, or someone with access to the sealswithclubs mail server, or someone at my ISP.  They're all able to see the escrow code I emailed to you in plain text.  Then, if you win the bet and CrazyBlane emails you his escrow code in plain text too, they can put the two together before you and get your winnings.

[SgtSpike]

The terminology included in this bet does not change the original 20 BTC bet in any way.  The original 20 BTC bet is only held to the terms specified at the time of the original bet.

BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships a device that does not meet the power specification, but then does ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices meeting the above criteria before the deadline, then SgtSpike wins the bet.

If you agree to my statement as outlined above, post here stating as much, and then we can both send in our 100 BTC to the original Bitcoin address, 1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

https://blockchain.info/address/1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

I have sent 100 coins additional here.  Your turn SgtSpike!  glglgl

Done.