Perpetual motion device - Free Energy - Do you believe in it?

[goodlord666]

The universe itself may be a perpetual motion device. I don't have the blueprints here right now but a very unreliable source reassured me that creating another one from within may cause the collapse of the original.

[Rassah]

Yildiz magnet motor is also a hoax. He had another motor back in 2010 that turned out to not work, AND he was convicted of scamming investors. It really doesn't matter how he arranges the magnets in his "magnet motor." As I keep saying, magnets are not a source of energy.

[justusranvier]

[Rassah]

^^ Yeah, that was so timely

[MooC Tals]

It's not a scam, perpetual motion has been modeled a lot in the past, and for the most part can work, like those plastic birds with that liquid in them, that always go down and up.




The hardship comes in harvesting that free energy. See how at first the little metal piece flies off? Imagine that happening in an electric output battery for a big city, an explosion would ensue, the ground would shake violently, then the city loses power and everyone thinks it's a terrorist attack. Or the end of the world if your town is religious.


It's not a scam, but using magnetism would not be profitable since at some point itcan stop spinning without flying off.


So his piece isn't exactly perpetual.


[Edit] Not a fan of "free perp. energy". I'd much rather huge tesla coils shoot lightning at a big anntennae at our houses periodically and all electric devices can usewirless electricity. I fucking hate chords

Bullshit. It's all bullshit.

[420]

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/free-energy-project--2

[Meizirkki]

Funny how it's the "stop pollution" guys who promote this crap. If energy was free, people all over the world would carelessly run their inefficient devices producing ridiculous amounts of heat. Oh yeah, save the world by burning it.

[Meizirkki]

Instead we dig up billions of years worth of the suns energy in the form of oil and burn it inefficiently in one great big post industrialised explosion. Free energy is there for the taking without any crackpot pipe dreams and without upsetting any balances.

okay?? So you make a provocative post to initiate a lecture about wind power or something?

Don't get me wrong. I'm probably going to build a reverse heat pump complex in my back yard one day, I'm just sick of these uneducated people who dig up a Tesla's patent from hundred years ago and think they can somehow break the very laws of nature.

[Rassah]

There's really only one thing that prevents our conversion to "free" renewable energy: money. That "free" energy is actually a hell of a lot more expensive than oil, so we'll keep burning oil until either renewable becomes cheaper, or we stop subsidizing the oil infrastructure.

[Meizirkki]

Methinks an independent power "grid" would be an interesting experience. As in, a bunch of small personal (renewable?) power stations around the world, carefully synced through the earth.

This would remove the need for big power plants, when peaks (day/night) are compensated by all the partakers in the system.

[organofcorti]

Instead we dig up billions of years worth of the suns energy in the form of oil and burn it inefficiently in one great big post industrialised explosion. Free energy is there for the taking without any crackpot pipe dreams and without upsetting any balances.

okay?? So you make a provocative post to initiate a lecture about wind power or something?

Don't get me wrong. I'm probably going to build a reverse heat pump complex in my back yard one day, I'm just sick of these uneducated people who dig up a Tesla's patent from hundred years ago and think they can somehow break the very laws of nature.

I don't mind them because someday they could come up with something that leapfrogs efficiencies, infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters and all that

All I'm saying is we have free energy in almost unlimited amounts and the tech to use it but there seems to be some view that because the perpetual motion madness doesn't work we have no choice but to keep burning oil.

There are only 3 things that prevent complete conversion to renewable energy:
Efficiency. Between our huge wastage and solar etc's poor efficiencies the investment needed is orders of magnitude greater than it should be.
Density. Nothing cost effective matches oil for calories/area.
The oil industry. They will stop at nothing to keep us burning this shit.

There's probably more but I think they're the main ones

Nothing you mention there is "free energy". Renewable is not "free".

I agree that renewable sources are infinitely preferable to CO2 based sources, but calling them "free energy" just makes me think that you somehow consider them magical, like a magic perpetual motion machine. They're not, and they do have the cost of upkeep.

[Meizirkki]

The energy is free, the conversion from one form to another has costs.

If i follow your philosophy right, oil should be free energy too? Where does the line go?

[420]

by free energy we mean no fuel/ raw materials are burned up to produce it

by some ways we could then argue none will be free since it requires the construction of a device to gain and retain said energy, like a solar panel

so then we have to make a more complicated definition that free energy is one that uses up no fuel and is more cost effective to create the device to utilize it than solar power is

[Meizirkki]

by free energy we mean no fuel/ raw materials are burned up to produce it

energy is never produced. Fuel / raw materials contain chemical energy, which is then transferred into heat (and further into electricity)

[420]

by free energy we mean no fuel/ raw materials are burned up to produce it

energy is never produced. Fuel / raw materials contain chemical energy, which is then transferred into heat (and further into electricity)

nit picky ass

[Meizirkki]

by free energy we mean no fuel/ raw materials are burned up to produce it

energy is never produced. Fuel / raw materials contain chemical energy, which is then transferred into heat (and further into electricity)

nit picky ass

Sorry. In this particular thread it felt rather important to point that out

[organofcorti]

by free energy we mean no fuel/ raw materials are burned up to produce it

energy is never produced. Fuel / raw materials contain chemical energy, which is then transferred into heat (and further into electricity)

nit picky ass

Sorry. In this particular thread it felt rather important to point that out

Rather depends on your definition of "production", doesn't it? Cars produce greenhouse gases, but they don't create the constituent elements.  I argue 420 meant something similar.

[Meizirkki]

Ok.

[organofcorti]

Ok.

Ok then.

Sooooo ... anyone have any magic energy for me?

[nimda]

Ok.

Ok then.

Sooooo ... anyone have any magic energy for me?

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