My account SebastianJu banned for 14 days now?

[whywefight]

well its kinda anyoing see seb banned for making real different statements, they are still in a row i know, while it is still tolerated that people post the same shit (by content) over several pages...

[SebastianJu_alt]

Probably not the best idea to have a paid signature when you're trying to conduct business on the forums as a reputable individual.  My BTC0.00000002.

Well, I guess with the amounts you escrow all the time it is a fulltime job, including such earnings. I joined signature campaigns since I thought i post anyway, why not getting paid for it. And I check out the websites I advertise.

If you think that is wrong then you would have to criticize theymos too, what you surely won't do, but the forum is auctioning adspace so the connection to the advertising company is not much different.

You realize that you wear a signature that pays you too? The only difference is that you can fully back that company. I only can do a slight check, though that is the same with theymos.

I don't think it is against the forum rules make multiple posts in a row, few months ago I've opened a thread regarding that fact ... it's all about the sig. ad (nothing else).

Mitchell wrote something like "and you even wore a signature". Which doesn't sound like it would not happen when you don't wear a sig campaign.

Well, guess the only solution if you don't want to post multiple posts in a row would be to be a forum addict, staying online all the time. I don't have that time unfortunately. Guess fulltimespammers will be happy with that solution. Or would it be fine when I post a single post and wait until at least another post was done by another user? Rules become way more difficult all the time now.

One could ask what's better in posting one huge post than 3 posts in a row, taking the same space nearly but are in a clear order and easy to read. You use paragraphs too to format a text and surely no one writes a letter to three people and puts all the text into one letter, hoping that the other two read it too somehow. Everyone would read the start and thinks it is directed to another use.

I know that with big posts it often looks cleaner to use multiple posts, but as you are wearing a paid signature, it makes the whole case more complicated. I usually use [hr] and [hr][hr] if I want to separate two messages and that seems to work fine.

So can we maybe speak about a solution for the escrow problem? If you think posting was the problem then maybe make me stop posting for a time, even though I got the point anyway already, but private messages were not part of the problem but probably will become a problem in the near future. Can you maybe allow me to send private messages at least to handle the escrow part? I really don't want to be put wrongly in the same pot as recent negative escrow cases.

I don't have the authority to say anything about this, so you'll have to wait for someone else to answer this. Sorry.

Though nearly all signatures are paid signatures in some form. Only because someone doesn't have an own company to advertise for he would get paid from another person. But advertising an own company is still a paid signature. Only some have signatures that don't serve a monetary purpose.

Thanks for considering it. I guess iam not allowed to send private messages with that account, so maybe someone other can send a pm to grue?

I actually wonder if you read this, hidden in all the other posts.




Thanks for the offer mexxer, I will wait if grue, badbear, theymos or hilariousandco can see the possibility of a solution through forum pm before I try to use other forms of contacting the escrow parties.

well its kinda anyoing see seb banned for making real different statements, they are still in a row i know, while it is still tolerated that people post the same shit (by content) over several pages...

Yes, it's strange to see how some threads get newbies posting the same short answer over and over again, sometimes answering the same questions with the same answer with newbie accounts that look like they are owned by the same person anyway.

Well, guess they only need to leave some posts in between and they are fine.

[OgNasty]

If you think that is wrong then you would have to criticize theymos too, what you surely won't do, but the forum is auctioning adspace so the connection to the advertising company is not much different.

You realize that you wear a signature that pays you too? The only difference is that you can fully back that company. I only can do a slight check, though that is the same with theymos.

First off, theymos runs this community.  He sells space here for the service that is provided.  Members getting paid to advertise to this community using this community is not the same.  If theymos is a manure salesman, that doesn't give you the right to get paid to shit in his customer's yard.  That is another topic though.

Secondly, I don't advertise a company.  I advertise my safe escrow services for this community, cool coins I make which I donate nearly all proceeds to NastyFans, and my NastyMining thread that I HAVE DONATED TIME AND FREE ELECTRICITY TO FOR NEARLY FOUR YEARS.  I love Bitcoin and I think what I'm doing is cool and honest so I try and make it known.

Please don't put our actions in the same category.

[SebastianJu_alt]

I don't even know now if I can do another post now or if I have to edit the old post, adding this there. Risking that the old was was read already and my change will not be noticed. *sigh* Strange things I have to think about...

Anyway, i think the previous post might be too old so here a signature message.

If someone can post it in my service thread, see my mainaccounts profile, then this would be great.

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
SebastianJu here, message signed with a very old address of mine. Check out my service thread.

This private message is to inform you that momentarely Iam not allowed to post or send pm's. I was banned from that for 14 days because i posted several posts following one after another and wore a signature campaign signature.

I try to see if a moderator can see the possibility of at least allowing me to use the pm-system to handle the escrow deals. If that does not work then we need to find other ways to contact. Maybe by email. You know my email address in my profile, sebastianju@bitmessage.ch is still valid.

All escrowed funds are still in escrow of course.

I have to ask you for patience a bit until I know what possibilities we have to deal with that.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1K2UFGCKyNQNx4h2m5ZRCaw9BWHTBcCZAA
HCIZsiW0pZifT2OebYg3Ja8LRSwA5OIAZuzn8lkBUT7rAzZmFBN1bcNGQdzAm5bNUIMigTXF5RnIXMqkf4Gx3zo=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I hope a solution can be found for the pm system since when i think about moving the trades to email then it sounds like a potential security risk to traders again. They would need to verify somehow that they actually are the same persons that have the deal on the forum.

First off, theymos runs this community.  He sells space here for the service that is provided.  Members getting paid to advertise to this community using this community is not the same.  If theymos is a manure salesman, that doesn't give you the right to get paid to shit in his customer's yard.  That is another topic though.

I thought you refer of advertising another company being somewhat shady. Theymos allows sig campaigns so there is no point arguing about it. If you didn't mean that an escrow should not advertise then I don't know what you refered to.

Secondly, I don't advertise a company.  I advertise my safe escrow services for this community, cool coins I make which I donate nearly all proceeds to NastyFans, and my NastyMining thread that I HAVE DONATED TIME AND FREE ELECTRICITY TO FOR NEARLY FOUR YEARS.  I love Bitcoin and I think what I'm doing is cool and honest so I try and make it known.

Please don't put our actions in the same category.

I did not check out your signature fully. I know you are one of the very rare businessmans on bitcointalk that I trust. Your businesses are running fine and shareholders are happy. You are not inept or scammy like you can read in the trust rating I gave you long ago, as well as adding you to my trust list. If there is no incentive for you in all this then man, you impress me way more now.

[TheButterZone]

Seems like sig campaigns are the only way to make money from your own sig space. Mine is a black hole.

[shorena]

@Seb_Ju sorry didnt fully read your entire last message, but you can change your signature to state that you are temp banned and that you should be contacted via e.g. an email address for the escrow. IIRC thats the way marco did it and it did  not break the rules nor did it prolong the ban.

[guitarplinker]

So I've read through the thread, and the discussion of the ban reasoning. It's been mentioned that users can be banned for consecutive posting with a paid signature, but not without a paid signature. Can we have any confirmation from a staff member that this is the case? If this is the case, why wouldn't this rule apply to all users regardless of if they're wearing a paid signature or not? Consecutive posts like Mitchell posted as examples seem to clog up discussions on the forum, and it's so easy to put all of them into a single post.

[redsn0w]

Here my old thread about "multiple posts in a row":

 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022225.0

[shorena]

So I've read through the thread, and the discussion of the ban reasoning. It's been mentioned that users can be banned for consecutive posting with a paid signature, but not without a paid signature. Can we have any confirmation from a staff member that this is the case? If this is the case, why wouldn't this rule apply to all users regardless of if they're wearing a paid signature or not? Consecutive posts like Mitchell posted as examples seem to clog up discussions on the forum, and it's so easy to put all of them into a single post.

Signature or not the rules are the same, but if you have to judge the reason why someone does what they do its more likely that the reason will be "for sig payments" if they have a paid signature. IIRC doog (probably never had a paid sig) was warned not to post like this as well.

[sase007]

So I've read through the thread, and the discussion of the ban reasoning. It's been mentioned that users can be banned for consecutive posting with a paid signature, but not without a paid signature. Can we have any confirmation from a staff member that this is the case? If this is the case, why wouldn't this rule apply to all users regardless of if they're wearing a paid signature or not? Consecutive posts like Mitchell posted as examples seem to clog up discussions on the forum, and it's so easy to put all of them into a single post.

So we have one rule for one and one for another.
People in a signature campaign = spammer and scammer (by default)
People not in a signature campaign = trusted person (by default)

I see many people that I would call signature spammers that I then realised don't have signatures! It should be the same rule for everyone, and you shouldn't make consecutive posts in the same forum. At least answer a few quotes at the end of the thread at tat point or reply to each of he messages as they come.

[Lutpin]

So we have one rule for one and one for another.
People in a signature campaign = spammer and scammer (by default)
People not in a signature campaign = trusted person (by default)

Answered right above by shorena:

Signature or not the rules are the same, but if you have to judge the reason why someone does what they do its more likely that the reason will be "for sig payments" if they have a paid signature. IIRC doog (probably never had a paid sig) was warned not to post like this as well.

[Zeke2345]

When I first started reading this thread I was going to tell SebastianJu to just drop the signature,but he makes a valid point about the owner of the site. If you are running a business in a section I think it is important to be able to respond to any queries and imagine it could be hard wrapping them all into one or two posts.
Maybe it should be something that is earned for certain accounts.

The signature issue between those that have and those that do not really should not even be a aspect here.
Its a issue but I do not think it relates to this thread as much as not being able to post multiple replies.

[tmfp]

So we have one rule for one and one for another.
People in a signature campaign = spammer and scammer (by default)
People not in a signature campaign = trusted person (by default)

Answered right above by shorena:

Signature or not the rules are the same, but if you have to judge the reason why someone does what they do its more likely that the reason will be "for sig payments" if they have a paid signature. IIRC doog (probably never had a paid sig) was warned not to post like this as well.

Responded to by shorena, but not necessarily answered.
Dooglus does carry a promotional sig, the fact that it belongs to his business is irrelevant to this discussion. Multiple posting means multiple signature exposure.
If a carrying/not carrying a promotional signature is not a factor, then how come Gleb gets away with chronic consecutive posting when he is in full flow?

[redsn0w]

So we have one rule for one and one for another.
People in a signature campaign = spammer and scammer (by default)
People not in a signature campaign = trusted person (by default)

Answered right above by shorena:

Signature or not the rules are the same, but if you have to judge the reason why someone does what they do its more likely that the reason will be "for sig payments" if they have a paid signature. IIRC doog (probably never had a paid sig) was warned not to post like this as well.

Responded to by shorena, but not necessarily answered.
Dooglus does carry a promotional sig, the fact that it belongs to his business is irrelevant to this discussion. Multiple posting means multiple signature exposure.
If a carrying/not carrying a promotional signature is not a factor, then how come Gleb gets away with chronic consecutive posting when he is in full flow?

Exactly, if you don't have nothing to promote (personal business ,etcc ..) that's not a problem so it is not against the forum rules.

[Lauda]

SebastianJu, you were temporarily banned because you kept making multiple posts in a row, which that could have been posted in one. You have been warned about this before and having a paid signature doesn't help.

I remember telling him the same , sometime after Nov. apparently he didn't get the message.

I've warned him about this at least on 1 occasion. I was ignored at that point in time as well. The ban was well deserved and there is not much more that can be added.. I don't see a valid reason for one to make consecutive posts in this case, especially not when involved in a signature campaign. I would advise the OP one more time to avoid this in the future.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

it's all about the sig. ad (nothing else).

Yep, oh the freedom us non-camapigners have...  <snip>

OK, this is very good to know and I'm quite surprised that SebastianJu got temp banned.  Guess I shouldn't be, right?  Then again, a lot of other users do much the same thing, Spoetnik and Gleb Gamow in particular come to mind.  Yes this is off topic, but that Cryptsy thread was spam city between the two of them.  Anyhow hope you can cope with this, SJ.  Learn from it.

[Quickseller]

Regarding prevision... ah no, you wrote you are accused of being an alt of Quickseller, you are online all the time too, being a scambuster and all and today I wrote about why I did not trust all of his negative ratings. Forbid me the thought that your prevision was led by knowledge maybe. I only thought of the possibility, no accusation.

I think it is kinda ridiculous to imply that your ban had anything to do with you (subtlety) speaking out against me, similar to how I think it is ridiculous to imply that I give negative trust to anyone who speaks out against me......do you have any idea how many people troll me on a regular basis -- a lot, and a good number of them have never received negative trust from me, although a lot of them are scammers, and were tagged by me in the past -- just because you troll me does not give you a free pass in being a scammer.

The reason for your ban was written on the ban message, it is because you made excessive consecutive messages with a paid signature. The key word here is excessive. Sure, it might be helpful to separate responses between multiple posts, however when a good number of the responses are responding to things that is really no longer relevant to the conversation, and when some of the responses are responding to a post that someone already responded to, one would probably consider the double post (or quadruple post) excessive. If you are going to make a 2nd consecutive post, there should be a good reason why you are making a second post, and the second post should add a lot more to the conversation then the 1st post, the same is true for the 3rd post, as the third post should add a lot more to the conversation then the 2nd post (which should have added more to the conversation then the 1st) -- it will probably be fairly rare that it is actually appropriate to make three consecutive posts. You also should probably not respond to the same person across two posts, even if you are responding to two different threads.

There is also the issue of having a paid signature. A paid signature means that you have an incentive to make additional posts and this will (or at least should) be taken into account.

SebastianJu, you were temporarily banned because you kept making multiple posts in a row, which that could have been posted in one. You have been warned about this before and having a paid signature doesn't help.

I remember telling him the same , sometime after Nov. apparently he didn't get the message.

Anyway, the temp-ban... work of grue I suppose?

It really does not matter which moderator issued the ban. I would not be terribly surprised if one of the lower level moderators requested seb to get banned and a more senior moderator "approved" the request and issued the ban. Also disclosing which moderator issued a ban will only lead to moderator abuse/harassment of that moderator. If the ban was not appropriate/necessary then it can always be overturned/reversed.

[SebastianJu_alt]

Or Grue/BadBear/Theymos and maybe even HilarousAndCo. I can only do so much.

I'm not fully aware of the fineprint of the english language so did you mean that you sent them a pm? If not could you do so?

Thanks in advance!

[james.lent]

Or Grue/BadBear/Theymos and maybe even HilarousAndCo. I can only do so much.

I'm not fully aware of the fineprint of the english language so did you mean that you sent them a pm? If not could you do so?

Thanks in advance!

I think he meant he can only help up to his level best. On regards the un-banning, only Grue/BadBar/Theymos/HilariousAndCo can do something about it.

[brace the mace]

One of the most trust worthy escrows in the forum gets banned for signature spam, classy. :p