It looks like BFL is screwing everyone over!

[R04dRunn3r]

What about the ASIC hardware?
It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
I orderd in november and they would be ready in December and then Januari, so what's next Feb, March? So with shipping (to the Netherlands) and BFL taking forever is probably going to be June or Juli before I will have my Jal and SC little.
My next orders are definitely not going to be with BFL.
I'm already having regrets for believing in BFL and that they would have the products ready in December.
I feel screwed over by BFL. And I hope they will compensate people for lost income and paying too much.
The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

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[lucif]

You probably need to do refund.

[memvola]

Latest update is here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html

So, the scheduled shipping date is Feb 10. If you read the items though, it's obviously impossible to meet. Their attitude does not inspire confidence either. However, I think they will eventually deliver the devices, and they will meet the specifications.

At any rate, I would also demand a refund at this point, to be on the safe side. They most likely will not be the first to produce ASIC hardware, and that was the only reason pre-ordering made sense at the time. I never had a deal with BFL though, so take this with a grain of salt.

[Frizz23]

The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs

[lucif]

The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs

No, No! Here Josh explains everything fine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4SnUObMd0o

[becoin]

It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?

No one can tell. Only sure thing is that their CEO (Inaba) is willing to take bets now that BFL will deliver something by the end of 2013!

[Frequency]

It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?

No one can tell. Only sure thing is that their CEO (Inaba) is willing to take bets now that BFL will deliver something by the end of 2013!

Every well respected CEO makes bets... yeah right..
Real so called CEO,s  delivers products as promised....or stay out of discussions..and focus to there business..

I also wonder were all the "I TOLD U SO" people are ...

[becoin]

Every well respected CEO makes bets... yeah right..

Yeah, right. Good luck waiting until the end of 2013!?

[crazyates]

The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs

You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before. He was then kicked out! Then he sneaks in the next day and makes that video. It's a troll video, and I'm surprised Josh didn't call security when he showed up.

To the OP: Josh/BFL have posted a massive mount of information concerning chip redesigns and shipping delays over at the BFL forums. Check them out there. Josh has a very clear timeline for their receipt of the chips, assembley, and shipping for the 2nd week of February.

[Inaba]

Nor am I the CEO and I am not taking bets...

[Frizz23]

You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, ...

Does it matter? How would an "official" press pass have made things any different?

... and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before.

This is what Josh claims (Bryan disagrees). Do we have (video) proof? No!

Josh also said Bryans video was edited and that BFL has made their own video and that he will publish it. Did not happen.
(@Josh: Where is your video?)

So I have to go with the evidence. And that's Bryans version.

[crazyates]

You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, ...

Does it matter? How would an "official" press pass have made things any different?

... and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before.

This is what Josh claims (Bryan disagrees). Do we have (video) proof? No!

Josh also said Bryans video was edited and that BFL has made their own video and that he will publish it. Did not happen.
(@Josh: Where is your video?)

So I have to go with the evidence. And that's Bryans version.

Alright lets go be the evidence in the video. Josh immediately recognizes Micon, which should be clue #1 that they've had previous encounters, and gives him a quarter to "find a clue". Kinda rude behavior, but almost completely unexpected. Josh has been like that countless times here on the forum, and in general has very little tolerance for people that have no interest in becoming customers, and are simply trolling.

Then Micron moves onto the BitPay guys. He then proves himself to be the world's worst interviewer. He talks and talks and talks, giving them 3 seconds to answer half of the 17 questions he just asked them. Then he interrupts them to blabber on and ask 15 more questions. Seriously, watch the full "interview" with the guys from BitPay. It's terrible. It's blatantly obvious that the only reason he's interested in them is A) make it seem like he's there for a legitimate reason and NOT there to solely troll BFL, and B) compare BFL financials to BitPays, which he's totally off on. He then ends the video completely astounded that BFL has actually made money (even if he has the wrong amount)!

TL;DR Josh was the one being unprofessional, but Micon was the one who was being an idiot and a tard.

[YipYip]

You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, ...

Does it matter? How would an "official" press pass have made things any different?

... and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before.

This is what Josh claims (Bryan disagrees). Do we have (video) proof? No!

Josh also said Bryans video was edited and that BFL has made their own video and that he will publish it. Did not happen.
(@Josh: Where is your video?)

So I have to go with the evidence. And that's Bryans version.

Alright lets go be the evidence in the video. Josh immediately recognizes Micon, which should be clue #1 that they've had previous encounters, and gives him a quarter to "find a clue". Kinda rude behavior, but almost completely unexpected. Josh has been like that countless times here on the forum, and in general has very little tolerance for people that have no interest in becoming customers, and are simply trolling.

Then Micron moves onto the BitPay guys. He then proves himself to be the world's worst interviewer. He talks and talks and talks, giving them 3 seconds to answer half of the 17 questions he just asked them. Then he interrupts them to blabber on and ask 15 more questions. Seriously, watch the full "interview" with the guys from BitPay. It's terrible. It's blatantly obvious that the only reason he's interested in them is A) make it seem like he's there for a legitimate reason and NOT there to solely troll BFL, and B) compare BFL financials to BitPays, which he's totally off on. He then ends the video completely astounded that BFL has actually made money (even if he has the wrong amount)!

TL;DR Josh was the one being unprofessional, but Micon was the one who was being an idiot and a tard.

I agree the Micon video was shockingly bad and this is what passes as the BTC press in our world

There was even some rubish about him being a Nicotine Evangelist so was this all about him getting his message out & using Bitpay /BFl as his vehicle..so the interviewer trys to create his story out of what he is supposed to be covering ..What The ??

Josh --totally out of his depth in how deal with situations in a professional manner....lets leave that 1 there as words cant explain the level of un-professionalism i have seen on this forum as a new comer to BTC\LTC world that this guys demonstrates as REP for a major company (jn this space) it just shows the level of in-maturity that BTC\LTC is at (this will change as real player start to enter the market)

That whole episode cant be taken at face value except for the part about Josh not being able to deal with "a situation" in a professional manner

[marketersales]

Refund.

[DobZombie]

What about the ASIC hardware?
It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
I orderd in november and they would be ready in December and then Januari, so what's next Feb, March? So with shipping (to the Netherlands) and BFL taking forever is probably going to be June or Juli before I will have my Jal and SC little.
My next orders are definitely not going to be with BFL.
I'm already having regrets for believing in BFL and that they would have the products ready in December.
I feel screwed over by BFL. And I hope they will compensate people for lost income and paying too much.
The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs

I agree the Micon video was shockingly bad and this is what passes as the BTC press in our world

There was even some rubish about him being a Nicotine Evangelist so was this all about him getting his message out & using Bitpay /BFl as his vehicle..so the interviewer trys to create his story out of what he is supposed to be covering ..What The ??

Josh --totally out of his depth in how deal with situations in a professional manner....lets leave that 1 there as words cant explain the level of un-professionalism i have seen on this forum as a new comer to BTC\LTC world that this guys demonstrates as REP for a major company (jn this space) it just shows the level of in-maturity that BTC\LTC is at (this will change as real player start to enter the market)

That whole episode cant be taken at face value except for the part about Josh not being able to deal with "a situation" in a professional manner

I KNOW at least two of you are Frizz23.

[Frizz23]

What about the ASIC hardware?
It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
I orderd in november and they would be ready in December and then Januari, so what's next Feb, March? So with shipping (to the Netherlands) and BFL taking forever is probably going to be June or Juli before I will have my Jal and SC little.
My next orders are definitely not going to be with BFL.
I'm already having regrets for believing in BFL and that they would have the products ready in December.
I feel screwed over by BFL. And I hope they will compensate people for lost income and paying too much.
The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs

I agree the Micon video was shockingly bad and this is what passes as the BTC press in our world

There was even some rubish about him being a Nicotine Evangelist so was this all about him getting his message out & using Bitpay /BFl as his vehicle..so the interviewer trys to create his story out of what he is supposed to be covering ..What The ??

Josh --totally out of his depth in how deal with situations in a professional manner....lets leave that 1 there as words cant explain the level of un-professionalism i have seen on this forum as a new comer to BTC\LTC world that this guys demonstrates as REP for a major company (jn this space) it just shows the level of in-maturity that BTC\LTC is at (this will change as real player start to enter the market)

That whole episode cant be taken at face value except for the part about Josh not being able to deal with "a situation" in a professional manner

I KNOW at least two of you are Frizz23.

No it's actually five of us.

R04dRunn3r, Frizz23, Yip, Yip (again) and DobZombie

[mufa23]

OP, just go get a refund. You'll be getting your money back, and bumping me closer to shipping. Win win.

[BR0KK]

They won't hear to what you have to say ... Stop whining and do the one thing that will tell BFL something is going to change. --> get a refund ASAP!

[GoldSeal]

What about the ASIC hardware?
It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
I orderd in november and they would be ready in December and then Januari, so what's next Feb, March? So with shipping (to the Netherlands) and BFL taking forever is probably going to be June or Juli before I will have my Jal and SC little.
My next orders are definitely not going to be with BFL.
I'm already having regrets for believing in BFL and that they would have the products ready in December.
I feel screwed over by BFL. And I hope they will compensate people for lost income and paying too much.
The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

I don't think BFL is going to give you compensation. What exactly is the lost income and paying too much that you are referring too? Are you suggesting that BFL pay you interest in the pre-order money they were holding? Please show where in your original purchase agreement that they said they would do that.

Seriously, I don't know what some of you people expect. Were you so blinded by greed that you didn't realize the risks of making a pre-order for a vapor product from a company run by a felon?

[smoothie]

The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs

You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before. He was then kicked out! Then he sneaks in the next day and makes that video. It's a troll video, and I'm surprised Josh didn't call security when he showed up.

To the OP: Josh/BFL have posted a massive mount of information concerning chip redesigns and shipping delays over at the BFL forums. Check them out there. Josh has a very clear timeline for their receipt of the chips, assembley, and shipping for the 2nd week of February.

PROVE THE BOLDED SECTION!. MICON POSTED A VIDEO WITH PROOF! NOW YOU DO THE SAME. PROVE IT. GO GET JOSH TO GIVE YOU PROOF OR STFU!

[smoothie]

You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, ...

Does it matter? How would an "official" press pass have made things any different?

... and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before.

This is what Josh claims (Bryan disagrees). Do we have (video) proof? No!

Josh also said Bryans video was edited and that BFL has made their own video and that he will publish it. Did not happen.
(@Josh: Where is your video?)

So I have to go with the evidence. And that's Bryans version.

Alright lets go be the evidence in the video. Josh immediately recognizes Micon, which should be clue #1 that they've had previous encounters, and gives him a quarter to "find a clue". Kinda rude behavior, but almost completely unexpected. Josh has been like that countless times here on the forum, and in general has very little tolerance for people that have no interest in becoming customers, and are simply trolling.

Then Micron moves onto the BitPay guys. He then proves himself to be the world's worst interviewer. He talks and talks and talks, giving them 3 seconds to answer half of the 17 questions he just asked them. Then he interrupts them to blabber on and ask 15 more questions. Seriously, watch the full "interview" with the guys from BitPay. It's terrible. It's blatantly obvious that the only reason he's interested in them is A) make it seem like he's there for a legitimate reason and NOT there to solely troll BFL, and B) compare BFL financials to BitPays, which he's totally off on. He then ends the video completely astounded that BFL has actually made money (even if he has the wrong amount)!

TL;DR Josh was the one being unprofessional, but Micon was the one who was being an idiot and a tard.

Micon hasn't promised anything to anyone. Nor has he taken millions in pre orders. Josh has.

Your point? Stop diverting attention away from JOSH being a scummy fuck.

[crazyates]

You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before. He was then kicked out! Then he sneaks in the next day and makes that video. It's a troll video, and I'm surprised Josh didn't call security when he showed up.

PROVE THE BOLDED SECTION!. MICON POSTED A VIDEO WITH PROOF! NOW YOU DO THE SAME. PROVE IT. GO GET JOSH TO GIVE YOU PROOF OR STFU!

Umm I wasn't at CES with my camera, so that'd be kinda hard. We have Josh's quote describing Micon's behavior, which Micon has yet to deny, IIRC. Micon's video "proof" just proved how retarded he was. He didnt post a single scrap of information about Josh or BFL that couldn't be gathered here on the forums. Also, I think your caps lock is broken.

TL;DR Josh was the one being unprofessional, but Micon was the one who was being an idiot and a tard.

Micon hasn't promised anything to anyone. Nor has he taken millions in pre orders. Josh has.

Your point? Stop diverting attention away from JOSH being a scummy fuck.

I don't see how Josh's work with BFL has anything to do with the fact that Micon is a fucking idiot. I admitted right in the part you bolded that Josh was not exactly professional, but the two are very separate issues. You really couldn't comprehend that from my post?

[GoldSeal]

Haha. Great video. Really makes me want to give money to a company that would out someone like Josh out in front of their booth. Any self-respecting company would drag his ass in and straightened him out.

[hackjealousy]

Nor am I the CEO and I am not taking bets...

You should actually take that bet.

[nathanrees19]

So I have to go with the evidence. And that's Bryans version.

The only real "evidence" we have is the contents of the video.

Sharp cut to BFL's table. He introduces himself, he asks what the box is, and you'll notice that Josh doesn't then say "it's the mini rig case". He pauses, clearly bothered by something...why would someone get confused or annoyed over a question about a product they are showing off? Within 20 seconds of Bryan appearing, he's already clearly annoyed. Why would this be?

Here's a theory:

Oh fuck, it's that guy from yesterday. WTF is he doing here again? I'll try to be civil...
...
Why the fuck is he asking about the box AGAIN? I've had enough of this...ENTERING RAGE MODE.

That would explain Josh's behavior, more or less.

Here's Bryan's apparent explanation:

SOMEONE'S ASKING ABOUT OUR PRODUCTS
FUCK HIM
FUCK ALL THE CUSTOMERS
HOW DARE HE, I BETTER CALL HIM STUPID...THAT'LL MAKE HIM ORDER FOR SURE

That...doesn't seem very likely, does it?

Ironically, Bryan's video heavily supports what Josh has said.

TL;DR Josh was the one being unprofessional, but Micon was the one who was being an idiot and a tard.

I agree with this analysis.

[nathanrees19]

JOSH being a scummy fuck.

Why do you think that?

[Cobra]

All of these ASIC hardware projects and even the fpga versions seem like excellent candidates for Kickstarter to raise capital to fully develop the product versus "pre-sales" which implies the bulk of the development has been completed and the product is closer to shipping. These projects really start to blur the line of a pre-sale where a few months of waiting for a product to ship would be typical. The initial ASIC announcement should have been delayed slightly until things had progressed a little further with confirmed component availability.

[Desolator]

I told everyone a looooong ass time ago that their company is famous for not shipping things on time.  Now with ASICs it's 100x more important to pretend to be the first one to ship it.  The first ASIC to come out is the one that'll get all the business.  So I believe they said the end of November 2012 was their ship date just to drive up a crap ton of pre-orders.  It looks like they got at least 80% of all ASIC business in pre-orders at last count.

Now that they've got everyone's money, they're taking as long as it actually takes for a tiny company to design, assemble, test, and write software for a device like that.  They knew they were lying the whole time.  I wish I had a quote from their website in 2012 that basically said that's what they were doing.  It was something like "we've had problems shipping products on time in the past but we'll try our hardest to ship at our anticipated date.  With new technology, blah blah blah, it might not."  Red flag much?  Oh and their CEO is a convicted scam artist so lying to people on the internet isn't exactly hard for him.

[creativex]

I told everyone a looooong ass time ago that their company is famous for not shipping things on time.  Now with ASICs it's 100x more important to pretend to be the first one to ship it.  The first ASIC to come out is the one that'll get all the business.  So I believe they said the end of November 2012 was their ship date just to drive up a crap ton of pre-orders.  It looks like they got at least 80% of all ASIC business in pre-orders at last count.

Now that they've got everyone's money, they're taking as long as it actually takes for a tiny company to design, assemble, test, and write software for a device like that.  They knew they were lying the whole time.  I wish I had a quote from their website in 2012 that basically said that's what they were doing.  It was something like "we've had problems shipping products on time in the past but we'll try our hardest to ship at our anticipated date.  With new technology, blah blah blah, it might not."  Red flag much?  Oh and their CEO is a convicted scam artist so lying to people on the internet isn't exactly hard for him.

+1

Don't forget their "honest abe" faq. What a bunch of bs artists.

[Desolator]

lol, indeed. Copied and pasted from their FAQ, January 17th, 2:32PM central time GMT-6:

We cannot disclose the number of orders we currently have.  Shipping of new units is still anticipated to being late November or early December. We are unable to predict accurate wait times until shipping begins

[Frizz23]

You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before. He was then kicked out! Then he sneaks in the next day and makes that video. It's a troll video, and I'm surprised Josh didn't call security when he showed up.

PROVE THE BOLDED SECTION!. MICON POSTED A VIDEO WITH PROOF! NOW YOU DO THE SAME. PROVE IT. GO GET JOSH TO GIVE YOU PROOF OR STFU!

Umm I wasn't at CES with my camera, so that'd be kinda hard.

Josh could prove it. At least that's what he said here:

I can't wait to see the video you post of me telling you to take a hike.  BTW, if you try to edit it, I have an unedited video available to show what a douchebag you are.

Josh never published his video. Which means that a) it does not exist - or b) shows exactly the same as Micons video.

Josh simply is a scumbag. End of story.

[DobZombie]

Frizz23 I got a question for ya.

Do you have any ASIC orders? Any orders with BFL?

Just curious.

[nathanrees19]

Josh simply is a scumbag. End of story.

who cares

I only care about whoever can deliver ASICs with the lowest power consumption.

[R04dRunn3r]

I KNOW at least two of you are Frizz23.
[/quote]

No it's actually five of us.

R04dRunn3r, Frizz23, Yip, Yip (again) and DobZombie
[/quote]

Sure buddy, you wish you were me!

After reading most of the reactions and seeing that video I support BFL, that video was lame, made no sense at all. I Would have pretty much reacted the same as that guy from BFL (Josh?), If somebody asks questions like that, that's just stupid.

I will wait on my hardware, It's going to be worth it and I still believe in BFL that they will in they end deliver a quality product that will do a hell of a job mining bitcoins.

Any way, I'm getting a bit restless, need some new mining hardware, the "Bitcoins mining virus" really got a hold of me. I'm just doing it for the fun of it. Barely making 6 dollar a day, +/- 2500 Mhs :-(
Need way more for a fraction of the power consumption. Still mining on GPU.
About 1000 watts of extra electricity every hour all the time :-(
Temps are going to the roof, having free heating in my house :-) sort of.

[Frizz23]

Frizz23 I got a question for ya.

Do you have any ASIC orders? Any orders with BFL?

Just curious.

Yes. With BFL, Avalon and bASIC.

What about yourself?

As for BFL: I don't believe they are complete scammers. I only think they are utterly incompetent and have a terrible "information policy" (aka lie to the community). Eventually they will ship. One day ...

[miner2049]

The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs

No, No! Here Josh explains everything fine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4SnUObMd0o

LOL!  I love his explanation.  If people start to get them, then I'll get one.

[uhoh]

The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs

No, No! Here Josh explains everything fine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4SnUObMd0o

LOL!  I love his explanation.  If people start to get them, then I'll get one.

Fantastic vid!

Seriously though, Who gives a shit what Micon said or did....
This is a trade show...

If you can't even act professionally at a trade show then you're fucked.

The video is damning. It doesn't even matter if Micon was a bit of a dick (which I personally don't he was. I think he may of done BFL's customers a favour). This is the most unbelievable PR fail. Its absolutely disgusting behaviour.