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January 20, 2013, 07:13:58 PM
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The havelockinvestments.com site is down.  Two days after I put some bitcoins there...

I hate this game.  Angry

Sorry to scare you with the few hours of downtime!


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January 20, 2013, 09:07:47 PM
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Sorry for spreading panic. But since mybitcoinwallet and bitcoinica I tend to get nervous faster.

Thank you for the site and service and keep up the good work!
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January 20, 2013, 10:53:23 PM
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But what I do think is inevitable, if Bitcoin is successful, is that people will demand zero-trust, blockchain-style, incorruptible pseudonymous ledgers as the lowest stratum for ownership of all their financial assets, not just BTC.

No, I understand you think this, and you're certainly not alone. What I don't understand is why you think this.

You may say that you hope this, to wit, that "everything" turns into a sort of open-source thingee. This is fine, and that I can understand. But practically, people do not in fact want or desire, let alone demand, to tinker with things that require specialist knowledge and experience.

Most of Europe is heated on gas boilers. People aren't currently demanding that they service these themselves. On the contrary, people are mostly demanding that nobody is allowed to service the things themselves, and use certified specialists instead. This because the risk of explosion from incompetent maintenance is perceived as higher than the benefits (many and numerous as they may be) of tinkering with the thing. What can you do in the end, make it "more efficient"? You can't make it more efficient by hand, it's an industrial product.

People aren't demanding equipment to do their own dental work. It's not that some clever chap couldn't arrange a bunch of mirrors so you could drill your own teeth. It's just that people do not wish to do this. People used to fix their own cars, as recently as twenty years ago, back when it was still useful and needed. Practically nobody fixes his own car now. People used to cook their own meals. They don't anymore. People used to elect their own representatives. They mostly don't anymore. Heck, for that matter people used to invest their own money.

People, in general, will demand that they be left alone. Yes, they want a point of control, and Bitcoin provides that superbly. But once they've got that point of control they are no longer interested in pushing control further down the chain. Investment is fiduciary by its very nature, expecting people to trust the investee but expecting them to not trust at all any intermediary is an exercise in mental divergence. Before people will demand zero-trust ledgers people will stop investing at all, for lack of trust.

That said, certainly zero-trust ledgers make excellent sense. But NOT for people. They make excellent sense for the very specialists, those people trusted by others to handle their asset holdings. Consequently, such an implementation is not useful done haphazardly, by a bunch of mostly stupid, mostly irresponsible, mostly clueless self-appointed devs. And when I say mostly stupid, mostly irresponsible, mostly clueless self-appointed devs, my mental blueprint is the people currently maintaining bitcoin-qt and the rest of the "core infrastructure". People like Taaki, Maxwell, the whole gang that actually shipped bitcoin with unencrypted wallets, people who actually put "address signatures" in but the output looks like something a goose shat and so on.

Currently the demand for something like that is practically zero, for very good market reasons (which mostly boil down to, for MPEx itself, MPEx is zero-trust already). When that demand increases to the point where further implementation makes sense, it will be developed by those people involved, for their use. To best grok this, think of that Seinfeld episode when Kramer finds "better paths" for the fire department to take and the fire department is duly unimpressed.

Then on top of that, you might get different kinds of providers catering to different scenarios: IPO handlers, fullservice brokers, discount brokers, trusts, etc., all coexisting on top of the same asset-tracking blockchain.

You don't get to be the authority in a market just because you think of the market mentally in your head. You don't get to be the one who decides what gets built where just because you flew over the land and saw everything tiny down there. Most markets worth the mention have intrinsic authority, and you will be employed to work in furthering their goals rather than walk in there with all the brashness of youth and start telling them what's what. There's no IT CEO in all of the banking industry, and I will be muchly surprised that there ever will be an IT CEO in Bitcoin finance. The role of the developer in this field is subservient, no matter how grandiose he may feel himself in his inner core. (And for that matter, the notion that there should be IT CEOs in IT is still hotly debated - but mostly the consensus is "no").

Within the various service types, undoubtedly we will see the network effects and survival of the fittest that you describe in your other post, and your company might become the premier entity in any of those segments.

You seem to be discussing the recent past as if it were some sort of distant future. This boggles, are we speaking of the Revolution here or something?

But for risk mitigation purposes and for those who enjoy getting their hands dirty, the option would (should!) always exist to verify & transfer ownership of assets at a blockchain level, without intermediaries.

You do verify such, that's why you get the signed receipts as it is. A blockchain on top of this would actually add delays and costs which aren't in fact necessary: you already have exactly the same thing, a cryptographically signed receipt. There's no practical difference between the stuff in the blockchain saying you own some bitcoins and your saved receipts saying you own some S.MPOE.

MPEx has the advantage of not making you wait ten minutes to an hour for it, because it's passing down to you the advantage it enjoys of not having to contend with unknown and potentially unsafe peers. These are advantages you will be fighting to conserve, even if the programmer in you would love nothing more than to resolve problems that are sexy, for fame and glory. Fact is, not all sexy unknowns wish to vigorously copulate with programmers.

In fact, if experience is any guide, most don't.

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January 21, 2013, 08:17:13 PM
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And I'm here too, so ask me anything, send me an email, give me a call, or stop by the office sometime Smiley


Well folks, here is the operator.  He also responded to my query on reddit.  I would call that serious communication and customer service (although I'm not a customer yet). 

I appreciate everyone's responses and opinions.  I'm still on the fence, but when I decide to move, I'll be happy to know there is:

1.  Someone I can talk to there
2.  A Bricks and mortar business behind it
3.  Secure servers handling the transactions
4.  The ability to turn Havelock shares into MPEX shares at any time.

Thank you lightbox for your responsiveness. 

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January 22, 2013, 08:37:14 PM
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Thank you lightbox for your responsiveness. 


No problem!

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April 05, 2013, 06:35:03 PM
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I have a small account with Havelockinvesting.  I recently had trouble logging in(turns out it was my fault).  Anyway I called the phone number and a representative helped me resolve my issue.  Thank you for the top quality customer service Havelock!
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April 05, 2013, 11:05:09 PM
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I have a small account with Havelockinvesting.  I recently had trouble logging in(turns out it was my fault).  Anyway I called the phone number and a representative helped me resolve my issue.  Thank you for the top quality customer service Havelock!

Quality customer service is an important thing to consider this days. Way to go... I've got a few BTC in Havelockinvesting too. So far, no issues.

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April 06, 2013, 02:48:55 AM
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Havelock = same people who run Canadianbitcoins.com and I've never had a problem with them cashing for 2yrs now. No idea if this is legal in Canada, or how many of the investments are ponzis. I assume they do due dilligence
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April 07, 2013, 02:54:49 PM
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I have been using them for about 3 weeks and already saw a dividend.
It wasn't much but still, very nice to see a ROI. Sure as hell better than
waiting for your central bank to issue you interest.

Besides, i only risked like 2 BTC into my HL wallet and that was when they were trading
at like 50 ea.

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April 30, 2013, 07:36:32 PM
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Poor ROI on HIM right now...

Not sure if 30GH/s is going to make this investment worthwhile... 0.0075 div this month.  At approx 1.9 BTC per share...
Hopefully we see some improvement here.

Any way; Havelock Investments is a fantastic site in and of itself.  The share I'm not so certain on, but as far as a trading interface goes, it's certainly up there.  The simplicity is fantastic for newcomers to Bitcoin investments.  Smiley
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May 01, 2013, 02:54:11 AM
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Poor ROI on HIM right now...

Not sure if 30GH/s is going to make this investment worthwhile... 0.0075 div this month.  At approx 1.9 BTC per share...
Hopefully we see some improvement here.

Any way; Havelock Investments is a fantastic site in and of itself.  The share I'm not so certain on, but as far as a trading interface goes, it's certainly up there.  The simplicity is fantastic for newcomers to Bitcoin investments.  Smiley

Remember we also have over 1.6TH on pre-order with BFL.. some of which (4-6 singles if i remember correctly) are already paid for by HIM, and the rest have been pre-ordered with outside investor money and the fund will buy them from the pre-order investors with the reserve that we've built up once they are delivered. Our earliest pre-orders date back to June.

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May 09, 2013, 01:14:56 AM
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Been trading with them a while now no problems
Easy to use interface and slowly acquiring more funds Smiley
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June 11, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
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Our FULL API is now available for use!  Let the bot trading begin!  If you have an questions/suggestions please let us know!

Details, documentation and code samples can be found on the "API Setup" tab

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June 12, 2013, 07:05:34 AM
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Who do I give a rating to on this forum to show my trust in cavirtex.com and/or havelock investments?

I have done around a quarter million dollars business with cavirtex... they are the best exchange in Bitcoin for whatever my opinion is worth.
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Who do I give a rating to on this forum to show my trust in cavirtex.com and/or havelock investments?

I have done around a quarter million dollars business with cavirtex... they are the best exchange in Bitcoin for whatever my opinion is worth.

They both have accounts
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June 12, 2013, 07:47:45 AM
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Our FULL API is now available for use!  Let the bot trading begin!  If you have an questions/suggestions please let us know!

Details, documentation and code samples can be found on the "API Setup" tab

Great news. will inform my traders.

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June 12, 2013, 04:58:27 PM
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4.  The ability to turn Havelock shares into MPEX shares at any time.
Did you actually ask them about fee to transfer shares in this direction? I did and it was 10 BTC , recently lowered to 1 BTC.

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June 12, 2013, 07:33:03 PM
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4.  The ability to turn Havelock shares into MPEX shares at any time.
Did you actually ask them about fee to transfer shares in this direction? I did and it was 10 BTC , recently lowered to 1 BTC.

Pushing IN from MPEX is free (click "MPEX Transfer" and paste your push receipt - its semi-automated)

Pushing OUT to MPEX is 1 BTC fee (email requests to info@havelockinvestments.com - done manually)

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June 15, 2013, 06:53:41 PM
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A friend of mine has invested in Havelocks ASIC-Miner Fund. Hes getting dividends and the fund is rising in worth. Today I also hopped in with a little amount. They claim an annual yield at 63.79%. Sounds good. Smiley

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June 17, 2013, 02:55:01 PM
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A friend of mine has invested in Havelocks ASIC-Miner Fund. Hes getting dividends and the fund is rising in worth. Today I also hopped in with a little amount. They claim an annual yield at 63.79%. Sounds good. Smiley

yes this because is based on asic infrastructure that is growing fast in these days and is actually the only structure able to mine bitcoins with a profit.
good work havelock!


 
 
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