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February 25, 2016, 10:24:27 AM
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I've noticed that several members seem to be having problems as a result of using these services. With Google, Microsoft and others installing keyloggers, and other anti-privacy "services", is it worth trying to use them. I assume their use just draws attention to your transactions.

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February 25, 2016, 10:27:56 AM
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Not only draws attention, the Mt-gox type events are common.
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February 25, 2016, 10:33:44 AM
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they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

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February 25, 2016, 11:48:54 AM
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They sort of draw attention but the hard part begins there too since people who use this type of services, don't use public computers AFAIK so keyloggers don't have a chance there (not sure regarding other types of anti-privacy softwares). People that use this type of services are likely to stay anonymous forever or are hiding larger funds on their account or worst are somehow criminals. Could you be more specific on what type of problems users experienced?

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February 25, 2016, 11:55:50 AM
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Windows 10 now contains a keylogger. I'm commenting on the problems posted in this forum. I don't use any of the services, so I don't have any direct experience.

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February 25, 2016, 12:06:05 PM
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One of problems in using Bitcoin mixers is 'dirty' coins from SilkRoad type websites. You put your coins in a mixer, you get back 'tainted' coins, who knows what kind of shady deals they had been used in before you got them. Keylogger is not a problem, don't use Windows - problem solved.

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February 25, 2016, 01:28:02 PM
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I don't think it draws attention to your transactions, especially because it's supposed to do the opposite... It's supposed to give you fresh coins in order to further enhance your privacy. It's also not designed or especially made for criminals, they just find it useful because of obvious reasons.

For the normal person it's a good tool to make your spending more private if you accidentally end up making your addresses known. Too bad many of these services turn out to be ran by scammers...

As for if they're worth using or not... Not really for me, but it has it's advantages.
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February 25, 2016, 01:39:57 PM
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at the least it can help prevent some spying. not entirety about what will happen but can help be more anonymous and cannot be track.
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February 25, 2016, 02:26:09 PM
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I use a mixer sometimes, and I do not use Bitcoin for any illegal purposes. Sometimes I just like to feel like there is no body watching/following my transactions. I guess I may be a little paranoid, but I do not think I am the only one that does the same.
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February 25, 2016, 02:36:39 PM
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I've noticed that several members seem to be having problems as a result of using these services. With Google, Microsoft and others installing keyloggers, and other anti-privacy "services", is it worth trying to use them. I assume their use just draws attention to your transactions.

You won't be tracked easily if you use private computer (Linux/BSD OS, clean computer), secure internet connection (VPN, Tor, SSH or Proxy) & avoid service from big or popular companies which need many personal information.
Just use service from google or similar companies for general/unimportant purpose.

Windows 10 now contains a keylogger. I'm commenting on the problems posted in this forum. I don't use any of the services, so I don't have any direct experience.

There are few application to make windows 10 more secure, by disabling keylogger and other services or feature which could breach our privacy or secure information.

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February 25, 2016, 02:47:54 PM
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Windows 10 now contains a keylogger. I'm commenting on the problems posted in this forum. I don't use any of the services, so I don't have any direct experience.

What do you mean Windows 10 contains a keylogger? Are you talking about the automatically released data to Microsoft of your daily usage? You can stop that by tinkering with the settings and stopping some services from activating.

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February 25, 2016, 02:51:52 PM
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One of problems in using Bitcoin mixers is 'dirty' coins from SilkRoad type websites. You put your coins in a mixer, you get back 'tainted' coins, who knows what kind of shady deals they had been used in before you got them.

Basically my thinking here, more often than not you might get some tainted coins when majority of users using mixing services using these to launder their tainted coins. To me 0,5% fee is too much to just keep privacy without the need to launder tainted coins.

Maybe some feature like coinjoin between many user wallets could help with Bitcoin privacy.

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February 25, 2016, 03:14:08 PM
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they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service.  If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

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February 25, 2016, 03:19:36 PM
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they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service.  If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

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February 25, 2016, 03:22:39 PM
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they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service.  If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

Or you could just sell your recently mixed coins locally for cash. You do not need to provide an ID for that.
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February 25, 2016, 03:23:45 PM
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they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service.  If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

That is exact imho. If you want to keep your anonimity at top levels you never have to go off from the anonimity chain. If you interrupt this anon chain is like having done nothing before.

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February 25, 2016, 03:24:16 PM
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What do you mean Windows 10 contains a keylogger? Are you talking about the automatically released data to Microsoft of your daily usage? You can stop that by tinkering with the settings and stopping some services from activating.

I managed to disable windows contana, but it isn't easy. That contains a key logger. I suspect that there are other routines as well that store all your files and traffic in a windows cloud.

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February 25, 2016, 03:25:31 PM
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they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service.  If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

Or you could just sell your recently mixed coins locally for cash. You do not need to provide an ID for that.

Well more and more people are demanding more data about the people they sell coins to which is annoying. In any case, what are you going to do when the governments get rid of cash? We better have better alternatives than that, and we will since we will have CoinJoin more functional and Confidential Transactions.

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February 25, 2016, 03:26:44 PM
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they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service.  If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

Or you could just sell your recently mixed coins locally for cash. You do not need to provide an ID for that.

In this event you would have to reveal your identity face to face with some FBI undercover . Tongue

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February 25, 2016, 03:34:33 PM
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Selling to people on Localbitcoins is even more dangerous than providing your ID to somewhat 'legitimate' online exchanges in my honest opinion. You are letting random people see your face and possibly knowing the vicinity where you live. What about following you home and figuring out a way to kidnap or coerce you into giving them your big stash of coins? As the guy above me said when you go off the Internet your anonymity is gone immediately.

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