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February 26, 2016, 02:10:02 AM
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In one of the topics here appeared the subject of downloading the human brain into a hard drive in the near future.
Also one of Ray Kurzweil's books was mentioned.
What do you think (feel about) of this?
Will it happen in the next 50 (maximum) years?
Will this be the first step in becoming immortal?

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February 26, 2016, 03:01:46 AM
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I personally don't believe it will be possible, but I do wish it would become reality.

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February 26, 2016, 03:04:02 AM
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Well they did managed to map all areas of the brain.
The human mind is starting to be not such a mystery to us.

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February 26, 2016, 03:13:26 AM
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I think it will take much longer to do something like this and possibly never.  The human brain is too complicated.  Humans will probably destroy the planet before they can get that far.

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February 26, 2016, 03:14:02 AM
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Think the brain still has a ways to go, like figuring out how the brain receives info from the gut.
The way connections are made and where we store info is being broke down but how to fix it is a bit slower. Think 3 years till its tried, maybe 15 years from sucess.

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February 26, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
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Seeing as how fast technology is advancing we could not recognize the world in 50 years. Who knows?

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February 27, 2016, 08:53:21 AM
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I don't think human brain can be downloaded into a hard drive. The information might be, yes. But is it really what makes us human beings? Our thoughts also depend on our feelings and as long as computer can't feel the world, hard drive is not an appropriate solution for our immortality

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February 27, 2016, 10:14:15 AM
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Feelings are what brings us down most of the times.

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February 27, 2016, 01:42:21 PM
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I think we'll need to figure out what consciousness is before being able to migrate it.

And who knows how a mind without a body will operate? A human being is a giant slab of chemical and electrical soup. It's all there for a reason.

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February 27, 2016, 03:57:36 PM
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In one of the topics here appeared the subject of downloading the human brain into a hard drive in the near future.
Also one of Ray Kurzweil's books was mentioned.
What do you think (feel about) of this?
Will it happen in the next 50 (maximum) years?
Will this be the first step in becoming immortal?


Ghost in the shell. The best ever, regarding all of your questions. It is amazing how timeless the story is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4-XGLXgHi4

The Stand alone Complex episodes are really deep. Almost prophetic. I Hope not.


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February 27, 2016, 04:05:34 PM
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I think we'll need to figure out what consciousness is before being able to migrate it.

And who knows how a mind without a body will operate? A human being is a giant slab of chemical and electrical soup. It's all there for a reason.


We meet again, consciousness , and I still don't know who or what you are, how tall you are, how much you weigh, where you are, where you've been before I was. How can I download you if I can't define you first?


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February 27, 2016, 06:12:40 PM
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I personally don't believe it will be possible, but I do wish it would become reality.

why not ? someday in the remote future, i will happen .. who knows ?

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February 27, 2016, 06:53:22 PM
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I think it will take much longer to do something like this and possibly never.  The human brain is too complicated.  Humans will probably destroy the planet before they can get that far.

i dont think so.. we will see that tech development is getting faster and scary for humanity.. we will be doomed to live in its horrible concequencies..


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February 27, 2016, 07:04:28 PM
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I think it will take much longer to do something like this and possibly never.  The human brain is too complicated.  Humans will probably destroy the planet before they can get that far.

i dont think so.. we will see that tech development is getting faster and scary for humanity.. we will be doomed to live in its horrible concequencies..


Maybe this singularity happened before. Little traces of this event lingers in our collective minds, generations after generations, forgotten, then transformed, becoming a false memory/tale called Atlantis?

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Every living creature is mortal, there is no such thing as immortality. I don't beleive that it will be ever possible in the future. Every part of human has its' "validity period", that is how the things are.

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February 27, 2016, 07:21:18 PM
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Every living creature is mortal, there is no such thing as immortality. I don't beleive that it will be ever possible in the future. Every part of human has its' "validity period", that is how the things are.


Life would be so much sweeter if all the actual politicians, google and facebook bosses, the police, etc... could live forever...

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February 27, 2016, 07:34:20 PM
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I think it will take much longer to do something like this and possibly never.  The human brain is too complicated.  Humans will probably destroy the planet before they can get that far.

i dont think so.. we will see that tech development is getting faster and scary for humanity.. we will be doomed to live in its horrible concequencies..


Maybe this singularity happened before. Little traces of this event lingers in our collective minds, generations after generations, forgotten, then transformed, becoming a false memory/tale called Atlantis?

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That made me think of this old favorite of mine by Donovan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AUEjzVQwKo

The continent of Atlantis was an island which lay before the great flood
in the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean.
So great an area of land, that from her western shores
those beautiful sailors journeyed to the South and the North Americas with ease,
in their ships with painted sails.
To the East Africa was a neighbour, across a short strait of sea miles.
The great Egyptian age is but a remnant of The Atlantian culture.
The antediluvian kings colonised the world
All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas
In all legends from all lands were from fair Atlantis.
Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth.
On board were the Twelve:
The poet, the physician, the farmer, the scientist,
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends.
Though Gods they were -
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new
Hail Atlantis!
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February 28, 2016, 01:36:58 AM
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I think it will take much longer to do something like this and possibly never.  The human brain is too complicated.  Humans will probably destroy the planet before they can get that far.

i dont think so.. we will see that tech development is getting faster and scary for humanity.. we will be doomed to live in its horrible concequencies..


Maybe this singularity happened before. Little traces of this event lingers in our collective minds, generations after generations, forgotten, then transformed, becoming a false memory/tale called Atlantis?

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I thought about this very idea many times. It would be a great idea for a movie.

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February 28, 2016, 08:40:16 AM
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In one of the topics here appeared the subject of downloading the human brain into a hard drive in the near future.
Also one of Ray Kurzweil's books was mentioned.
What do you think (feel about) of this?
Will it happen in the next 50 (maximum) years?
Will this be the first step in becoming immortal?

I don't think that immortality is a goal here. Ray Kurzweil said: "Death gives meaning to our lives. It gives importance and value to time. Time would become meaningless if there were too much of it." And I completely agree with him. Also I don't think that downloading the human brain into a hard drive would be ever possible. Actually we still don't know exactly what is human brain and how it operates.

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February 28, 2016, 01:42:28 PM
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In one of the topics here appeared the subject of downloading the human brain into a hard drive in the near future.
Also one of Ray Kurzweil's books was mentioned.
What do you think (feel about) of this?
Will it happen in the next 50 (maximum) years?
Will this be the first step in becoming immortal?

I don't think that immortality is a goal here. Ray Kurzweil said: "Death gives meaning to our lives. It gives importance and value to time. Time would become meaningless if there were too much of it." And I completely agree with him. Also I don't think that downloading the human brain into a hard drive would be ever possible. Actually we still don't know exactly what is human brain and how it operates.

Yes, we don't know at the moment. But how many incredible discoveries were made in the last 50 years alone.
And the rate technology is evolving in accelerating constantly.

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March 18, 2016, 09:09:30 AM
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Singularity is the moment when a computer will be aware of itself and so a self-conscious being, not exactly the uploading of a human brain to a computer.

It won't make us immortal for two reasons:
1) It won't be us, but a digital clone of us. We will still die.
2) Soon or later something would happen to the computer. It would be destroyed by a war, a catastrophic event, the end of our sun, the end of our universe, etc. Death would wait for his destruction almost an eternity if necessary, but it would happen. As physicians say, in nature, if something is possible, it will be a necessary event, because it will be just a question of waiting enough time for it to happen (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1221052.0).

Since there can't be any immortality, and death is our destiny, unfortunately, the issue of the effect of immortality on the value of time can't be really tested. Clearly, being able to live thousand of years would lower the value of our time. But I surely wouldn't mind to have time to be able to real waste it.

In the end, the only positive way to part from this life would be if we were completely bored with it. Think about it: life is like a relationship, the only happy way to end it is if we were tired of it. If we still love it, death will always be a tragedy.

Beside, being able to make our own decision to end life is also a positive thing. Death wouldn't be imposed by nature, but would be our own decision. One of the major problems of death is that is imposed on us against our will.

Of course, parting this life because of are bored with it wouldn't be exactly a happy moment. But it might be less unhappy than to parting it when we are still in love with life.

I'm not making an apology of suicide. In our current conditions, where life is a blink of an eye of awareness, in between two eternities of being nothing (before being alive and after being dead), suicide seems absurd. Even if life was a pain (not literally; if it was really a pain, euthanasia would make completely sense), why rush things?, we'll be dead "soon". But if we could live thousands of years, suicide could make more sense.

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Their is neither first, nor last step in immortality. There is no such thing. Everthing that lives has to die, that is how the things are going.

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March 18, 2016, 09:54:12 AM
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Maybe it will be in future but technology will not able to find so big harddisk
And what we'll do memories, feelings and more?
And in which format it will be saved?
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Their is neither first, nor last step in immortality. There is no such thing. Everthing that lives has to die, that is how the things are going.

Just a thought. It seems that everything has to die. And that is all we know about. But consider. We don't understand the processes of life, the processes whereby life came about, and the universe, enough that we know how this whole thing came into being. When we eliminate the guesses in science, and the guestimations, and the stuff that is hyped up, and instead look at the facts that we know, life and the universe and everything is impossible except for one fact. It exists. So, why might resurrection not be possible?

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... So, why might resurrection not be possible?

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Because the process of brain cell death is irreversible.  Once your brain is dead, you are dead.
The damage to the brain is beyond repair after few hours.

There have been people who have been resuscitated after 40+ minutes of being clinically dead.
But beyond few hours your chances are close to zero.  Most people who have been resuscitated after
extended period of time suffer brain damage with manifests itself in affected motor function, memory loss, changes in personality etc.  You get back a slightly different "you".

There is no way for someone to be raised from dead after 3 days  Wink

If someone was "raised" from dead after 3 days, that person was not dead to begin with.

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If this does happen, which i do not think it will in the near future, I don't think it will be beneficial, sometimes, science and technology will take things too far. I say we just let our minds and bodies stay as they are, and not turn them into a device.
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March 18, 2016, 11:37:09 PM
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... So, why might resurrection not be possible?

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Because the process of brain cell death is irreversible.  Once your brain is dead, you are dead.
The damage to the brain is beyond repair after few hours.

There have been people who have been resuscitated after 40+ minutes of being clinically dead.
But beyond few hours your chances are close to zero.  Most people who have been resuscitated after
extended period of time suffer brain damage with manifests itself in affected motor function, memory loss, changes in personality etc.  You get back a slightly different "you".

There is no way for someone to be raised from dead after 3 days  Wink

If someone was "raised" from dead after 3 days, that person was not dead to begin with.


OR....

The first of the race of Zombies was Jesus Christ.
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From a scientific point of view, the only one that can convince me, the theory arguing that Jesus survived the crucifixion is plausible. Even the BBC endorsed this one on a controversial documentary.

But since there are contradictions on the accounts of it, also the theory arguing that he died, his body was stole and someone convinced the other Apostles that he saw him alive or even found someone similar to took his place is also defensible. Just remember that Lukas wrote that initially two of the Apostles didn't recognized Jesus (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+24%3A13%E2%80%9324%3A31&version=ESV), something very strange, if it was just him alive "again".

But the impostor or the surviving Jesus had to take advantage of his survival and argued that it was miracle to his apostles. At least a few of them ended up death because of their believes, including Peter, James and Paul (not Paul of Tarsus, he wasn't one of the Apostles). I doubt that they would ever sacrifice their lives for a fraud. Therefore, probably, they real believed that there was a miracle on Jesus survival (check, for instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_and_origin_of_the_Resurrection_of_Jesus).

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