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[hdbuck]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

dont trust blockstream, dont trust core, dont trust coinbase, dont trust classic, dont trust obama.

stop being the whiny little girl seeking for some daddy comfort, this is bitcoin.

[HostFat]

@macbook-air
Personally, I think that you should stop trusting anyone by default (even me), and start to try to hear every voices/opinions ...

[frankenmint]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

How is this different from Gmaxwell dropping his commit status without notice - Is this an issue to you because in your eyes blockstream now has no liability nor prior commitment to what was determined last weekend?  I'm going out on a limb here but perhaps they didn't mention this because it could be blown out of proportion? 

[BitUsher]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Block stream anymore in the future.

Why does this even matter? I took the change to indicate that Adam was merely attempting to be humble and go into the meeting representing himself and his ideas rather than representing his company.

Remember Blockstream employees signed a pledge indicating that their primary allegiance is to Bitcoin before themselves or Blockstream, Adam Back being listed as an individual makes sense in context:
https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/702288186265903104

This being said, you should have a healthy level of skepticism with everyone.

[_mr_e]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

Is this really the first manipulative shady thing you've seen them do? The past few weeks have been littered with all kinds of shit from Maxwell and Adam. You miners need to think for yourself. Bigger blocks means you collect more fees, while smaller blocks + LN gets blockstream more fees.Bitcoin works by people acting in their own economic self interest, it's time you miners start acting in yours.

[corsaro]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

As a miner, what is your real interest? To have a full block until july 2017, allowing people to spend more fees for making a transacion or to have a more scalable solution by 1 month ?

[hoosier_13]

Give me a break - new low in the discussion, this was released days ago and just now they come out with this concern.  We need to get some real leadership around this discussion and stop giving the drama queens a microphone.  

[knight22]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

So you poeple are waking up to Blockstream Core disingenuous tactics? Its about time.

[8up]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

dont trust blockstream, dont trust core, dont trust coinbase, dont trust classic, dont trust obama.

stop being the whiny little girl seeking for some daddy comfort, this is bitcoin.

This. Just this!

[p3yot33at3r]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

Feel free to start your own coin then - enjoy your own empty blocks.

Bye.

[Lucko]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

If that is the biggest issue in this meting I really don't understand your culture. I would say that allowing only one side that has good funding present there case is much more problematic...

There are probably also things you need to know. Do you know how overwhelming support is defined? I don't think you know this but I don't think there will be there in June 2017... At lest not to Core definition. Why?

https://medium.com/@elliotolds/lesser-known-reasons-to-keep-blocks-small-in-the-words-of-bitcoin-core-developers-44861968185e#.gwesnyqjs

[dunand]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

Great.

[muyuu]

What an idiot.

Like anyone in the community didn't know who Adam Back is.

[BitUsher]

What an idiot.

Like anyone in the community didn't know who Adam Back is.

Does appear a bit ridiculous... so Either there is some unmentioned other reason, some cultural difference, or just an excuse to back out... it really doesn't make much sense in context.

[_mr_e]

What an idiot.

Like anyone in the community didn't know who Adam Back is.

Does appear a bit ridiculous... so Either there is some unmentioned other reason, some cultural difference, or just an excuse to back out... it really doesn't make much sense in context.

Ya because they realized they were duped into adopting SW in exchange for something they could do anyway without blockstream permission.

[windpath]

Announcement: We will withdraw support from February 21’s roundtable consensus, unless Adam Back gives us a reasonable explanation why he quietly changed his title from Blockstream President to Individual at the very last moment — without anybody noticed. We feel we’ve been cheated. I don’t know how we can trust Blockstream anymore in the future.

My assumption is that Adam originally signed as Blockstream President, then when other members of Blockstream said that they were not on board with his plan he went back and changed his signature to individual.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46po4l/we_have_consensus_in_april_we_get_sw_3_months/d07h0xc?context=3

IMO this is pretty serious, you cant change a contract after you sign it, and there is a big difference between his signature as an individual and that representing Blockstream.

Perhaps next time the contract should be hashed and the hash stored in some decentralized immutable ledger

[BitUsher]

Does appear a bit ridiculous... so Either there is some unmentioned other reason, some cultural difference, or just an excuse to back out... it really doesn't make much sense in context.

Ya because they realized they were duped into adopting SW in exchange for something they could do anyway without blockstream permission.

That is very insulting to the Chinese miners and f2pool... I seriously doubt they have remained ignorant of segwit and its implications that have been so openly discussed for months.

My assumption is that Adam originally signed as Blockstream President, then when other members of Blockstream said that they were not on board with his plan he went back and changed his signature to individual.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46po4l/we_have_consensus_in_april_we_get_sw_3_months/d07h0xc?context=3

IMO this is pretty serious, you cant change a contract after you sign it, and there is a big difference between his signature as an individual and that representing Blockstream.

Perhaps next time the contract should be hashed and the hash stored in some decentralized immutable ledger

This is likely the case... and if anything reflects how ridiculous the notion that Blockstream or core is a monolithic organization with a single goal, when it is represented by many individuals. Likely an oversight by Adam, and one that can be quickly rectified as other blockstream members already agreed.

[BitUsher]

Already Resolved-

https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff#.4k6pihqla

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/702498440920436736

[windpath]

Already Resolved-

https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff#.4k6pihqla

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/702498440920436736

I'm not sure continuing to edit a document that was supposed to remain unchanged from the beginning sends the right message. Whats to stop someone from editing it further in the future?

[canth]

What an idiot.

Like anyone in the community didn't know who Adam Back is.

Would it have been annoying to have F2pool later say they only showed up as individuals and the pool would continue to mine on Classic? See a similarity?

The issue is that there is a very good chance that Blockstream as a whole refuses to go along with the HF, which is fine, but what exactly is the point in having Adam as President of Blockstream then? He might as well just be "guy that doesn't code at Blockstream" then.