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January 25, 2013, 08:15:10 AM
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On the basis of last trade,
S.DICE at 100,000,000 shares x 0.00632181 each = 632,181 total BTC market capitalization.
S.MPOE at 1,000,000,000 shares x 0.00062071 each = 620,710 total BTC market capitalization.

Of course the last trade isn't a particularly solid point of reference, and average prices for instance paint a different picture:

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<assbot> [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059613 / 0.00067264 / 0.0007 (12311765 shares, 8,281.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065233 / 0.0007 (23989321 shares, 15,649.06 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065039 / 0.0007 (51770531 shares, 33,671.44 BTC)
<assbot> [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00381004 / 0.00699 (551781 shares, 2,102.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00447518 / 0.00699 (962889 shares, 4,309.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416676 / 0.00699 (10220055 shares, 42,584.56 BTC)

Still, it's the first time something has passed ahead of MPOE/MPEx, a first that no doubt will be soon surpassed.

Congrats to the winners! Shares of listed companies now account for ~12% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy. Our projection is that market cap of listed Bitcoin corps will be over 100% circulating Bitcoin this year or the next, what's yours?

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January 25, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
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Congratulations.
But these are only a gambling site and a pseudo stock exchange (one and a half gambling sites in summary Wink). My opinion: really not so much to be proud of. Just some sort of coinmixers, that produce nothing of (real?) value.
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January 25, 2013, 11:45:27 AM
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Congratulations.
But these are only a gambling site and a pseudo stock exchange (one and a half gambling sites in summary Wink). My opinion: really not so much to be proud of. Just some sort of coinmixers, that produce nothing of (real?) value.

RIGHT,

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January 25, 2013, 11:53:42 AM
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Congrats to both satoshiDICE and MPEX!

In a year through, the world of bitcoin is probably going to be massively different from what it is today.
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January 25, 2013, 12:33:33 PM
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Congratulations.
But these are only a gambling site and a pseudo stock exchange (one and a half gambling sites in summary Wink). My opinion: really not so much to be proud of. Just some sort of coinmixers, that produce nothing of (real?) value.

Ya but you see, your opinion and five bux gets you one cup of coffee. Half a million bitcoins gets the respective owners something like 50 pizzas, at the very least.

Congrats to both satoshiDICE and MPEX!

In a year through, the world of bitcoin is probably going to be massively different from what it is today.

There should maybe be a SF competition. "How will Bitcoinworld look in a year?"

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January 25, 2013, 01:48:38 PM
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Congratulations.
But these are only a gambling site and a pseudo stock exchange (one and a half gambling sites in summary Wink). My opinion: really not so much to be proud of. Just some sort of coinmixers, that produce nothing of (real?) value.

Ya but you see, your opinion and five bux gets you one cup of coffee. Half a million bitcoins gets the respective owners something like 50 pizzas, at the very least.


Ya, a pizza or even a PR-lady.
It is your job to maintain the publics point of view for this "success". But still, S.Dice is only selling hopes, just like your boss is selling expectations, successfully. Both fields are not without reason heavily regulated in most parts of the Non-Bitcoinworld.
And here is another coffee opinion: the successful exemplars will get fucked first, at the very least.
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January 25, 2013, 01:56:54 PM
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In Bitcoinworld its only a matter of time till someone scams you out of your coins. Even supposedly "respected" companies.

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January 25, 2013, 04:03:02 PM
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In Bitcoinworld its only a matter of time till someone scams you out of your coins. Even supposedly "respected" companies.

Oh, you mean like Madoff, MF Global, Lehman, etc? Sure. Two a month sort of thing.

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January 25, 2013, 05:51:30 PM
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Congrats to the winners! Shares of listed companies now account for ~12% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy. Our projection is that market cap of listed Bitcoin corps will be over 100% circulating Bitcoin this year or the next, what's yours?

A while ago (about July 2011) I predicted that one of the major uses for bitcoins would be for investors. Shares of companies seem like one of the most natural markets for bitcoins. As more people with assets join bitcoin looking for a place to park their cash, and more people with worthwhile companies start asking for bitcoin investment, this sector will explode.

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January 25, 2013, 06:33:31 PM
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Congrats to the winners! Shares of listed companies now account for ~12% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy. Our projection is that market cap of listed Bitcoin corps will be over 100% circulating Bitcoin this year or the next, what's yours?

A while ago (about July 2011) I predicted that one of the major uses for bitcoins would be for investors. Shares of companies seem like one of the most natural markets for bitcoins. As more people with assets join bitcoin looking for a place to park their cash, and more people with worthwhile companies start asking for bitcoin investment, this sector will explode.

That's funny, because also a while ago (about January 2011) someone predicted that you'll post a terse note about how "everything is a scam", how "you lost all BTC" and then make yourself scarce (after, of course, having deleted a half year's worth of "valuable contributions" and other usagi-style trend setting).

And someone predicted you'll be back, too, much like that scummy fuck Harnett is dicking around on PPT-PR. That's the problem with you scammer types: no matter the size of the haul sooner or later you'll run out and have to come crawling back. Unlike the actual business people you so astutely impersonate, you're -ER.

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Congrats to the winners! Shares of listed companies now account for ~12% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy. Our projection is that market cap of listed Bitcoin corps will be over 100% circulating Bitcoin this year or the next, what's yours?

A while ago (about July 2011) I predicted that one of the major uses for bitcoins would be for investors. Shares of companies seem like one of the most natural markets for bitcoins. As more people with assets join bitcoin looking for a place to park their cash, and more people with worthwhile companies start asking for bitcoin investment, this sector will explode.

That's funny, because also a while ago (about January 2011) someone predicted that you'll post a terse note about how "everything is a scam", how "you lost all BTC" and then make yourself scarce (after, of course, having deleted a half year's worth of "valuable contributions" and other usagi-style trend setting).

And someone predicted you'll be back, too, much like that scummy fuck Harnett is dicking around on PPT-PR. That's the problem with you scammer types: no matter the size of the haul sooner or later you'll run out and have to come crawling back. Unlike the actual business people you so astutely impersonate, you're -ER.

Touche.

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January 25, 2013, 11:01:47 PM
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In Bitcoinworld its only a matter of time till someone scams you out of your coins. Even supposedly "respected" companies.

Oh, you mean like Madoff, MF Global, Lehman, etc? Sure. Two a month sort of thing.

How would we even know a bitcoin "company" is in trouble when there is no public accounting and auditing. In fact to call them "companies" is a joke. The fact you have mislabeled them in the thread OP says it all.

There is no business registration for either MPOE or SDICE which makes it a sham to start with. If there is please point them out.

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In Bitcoinworld its only a matter of time till someone scams you out of your coins. Even supposedly "respected" companies.

Oh, you mean like Madoff, MF Global, Lehman, etc? Sure. Two a month sort of thing.

How would we even know a bitcoin "company" is in trouble when there is no public accounting and auditing. In fact to call them "companies" is a joke. The fact you have mislabeled them in the thread OP says it all.

There is no business registration for either MPOE or SDICE which makes it a sham to start with. If there is please point them out.


Satoshi Dice has more transparent financials than any company I know. You can follow all the action in the blockchain and people are actually doing this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1479678#msg1479678

Other companies can have "public accounting and auditing" by using the blockchain in some similar manner if they wish.
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January 25, 2013, 11:19:00 PM
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In Bitcoinworld its only a matter of time till someone scams you out of your coins. Even supposedly "respected" companies.

Oh, you mean like Madoff, MF Global, Lehman, etc? Sure. Two a month sort of thing.

How would we even know a bitcoin "company" is in trouble when there is no public accounting and auditing. In fact to call them "companies" is a joke. The fact you have mislabeled them in the thread OP says it all.

There is no business registration for either MPOE or SDICE which makes it a sham to start with. If there is please point them out.

But see, you are wrong. As far as at all possible, there's very public accounting anyone can review. S.DICE does it, S.BBET does it. Much unlike the case of any so called company in fiat, where you have to trust the word of provenly corrupt "auditors", here you can do the math yourself. It's not equally practical for MPOE to do, but at least there's the public inbound addresses you can review, the trade tickers, all that.

So no, when it comes to auditing and transparency there's really no way for fiat to touch BTC standards. Now, BTC allows control, and control means power, and power is easily abused, especially by the young, the weak, the stupid. Sure. So?

The fact that there is no business registration is precisely what makes them more credible: you know for a fact the state isn't stealing from you. One less may not mean much overall, yet it still is one less. But for my own curiosity, how did you know Madoff was in trouble? Lehman? MF Global? Etc?

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January 25, 2013, 11:42:51 PM
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Satoshi Dice has more transparent financials than any company I know. You can follow all the action in the blockchain and people are actually doing this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1479678#msg1479678

Other companies can have "public accounting and auditing" by using the blockchain in some similar manner if they wish.

+1

And when 2 month of dividend = funds raised by the IPO +/-, it's easy understandable.

No interest to run like any other scam in Coinland

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January 26, 2013, 09:29:21 AM
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On the basis of last trade,
S.DICE at 100,000,000 shares x 0.00632181 each = 632,181 total BTC market capitalization.
S.MPOE at 1,000,000,000 shares x 0.00062071 each = 620,710 total BTC market capitalization.

Of course the last trade isn't a particularly solid point of reference, and average prices for instance paint a different picture:

Quote
<assbot> [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059613 / 0.00067264 / 0.0007 (12311765 shares, 8,281.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065233 / 0.0007 (23989321 shares, 15,649.06 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065039 / 0.0007 (51770531 shares, 33,671.44 BTC)
<assbot> [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00381004 / 0.00699 (551781 shares, 2,102.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00447518 / 0.00699 (962889 shares, 4,309.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416676 / 0.00699 (10220055 shares, 42,584.56 BTC)

Still, it's the first time something has passed ahead of MPOE/MPEx, a first that no doubt will be soon surpassed.

Congrats to the winners! Shares of listed companies now account for ~12% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy. Our projection is that market cap of listed Bitcoin corps will be over 100% circulating Bitcoin this year or the next, what's yours?

Lets see now. SDICE IPO was for 10`000`000 (ten million) shares an not for 1,000,000,000 (one billion, one thousand million or milliard -  depends what system you are used to) . Do you see those extra 2 zeros? (and wtf is up with you obsession of zeros?)
I am not sure you can really say that S.DICE market cap is actually 632,181 BTC.

Lets say we set up a virtual BTC Co, complete the IPO by selling 10% or 1000 shares for 1 BTC a pop.
What is this Co's market cap?
How many publicly traded shares do we have? Is it 1,000 or 10,000? I am sure it's 1,000 (thousand).

So, is this virtual Co's market cap 1 000BTC or 10,000 BTC?

And please note, evoorhees can not really sell his 90,000,000,000 (LOL, I need more zeros! Pleeeeease!) imaginary shares via any btc/ltc exchange unless he announces a new IPO. Yes, in BTC world we can do what ever we want but then, those numbers you so neatly inflated here, will become even more meaningless pr drivel of yours.

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January 26, 2013, 09:54:45 AM
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On the basis of last trade,
S.DICE at 100,000,000 shares x 0.00632181 each = 632,181 total BTC market capitalization.
S.MPOE at 1,000,000,000 shares x 0.00062071 each = 620,710 total BTC market capitalization.

Of course the last trade isn't a particularly solid point of reference, and average prices for instance paint a different picture:

Quote
<assbot> [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059613 / 0.00067264 / 0.0007 (12311765 shares, 8,281.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065233 / 0.0007 (23989321 shares, 15,649.06 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065039 / 0.0007 (51770531 shares, 33,671.44 BTC)
<assbot> [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00381004 / 0.00699 (551781 shares, 2,102.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00447518 / 0.00699 (962889 shares, 4,309.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416676 / 0.00699 (10220055 shares, 42,584.56 BTC)

Still, it's the first time something has passed ahead of MPOE/MPEx, a first that no doubt will be soon surpassed.

Congrats to the winners! Shares of listed companies now account for ~12% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy. Our projection is that market cap of listed Bitcoin corps will be over 100% circulating Bitcoin this year or the next, what's yours?

Lets see now. SDICE IPO was for 10`000`000 (ten million) shares an not for 1,000,000,000 (one billion, one thousand million or milliard -  depends what system you are used to) . Do you see those extra 2 zeros? (and wtf is up with you obsession of zeros?)
I am not sure you can really say that S.DICE market cap is actually 632,181 BTC.

Lets say we set up a virtual BTC Co, complete the IPO by selling 10% or 1000 shares for 1 BTC a pop.
What is this Co's market cap?
How many publicly traded shares do we have? Is it 1,000 or 10,000? I am sure it's 1,000 (thousand).

So, is this virtual Co's market cap 1 000BTC or 10,000 BTC?

And please note, evoorhees can not really sell his 90,000,000,000 (LOL, I need more zeros! Pleeeeease!) imaginary shares via any btc/ltc exchange unless he announces a new IPO. Yes, in BTC world we can do what ever we want but then, those numbers you so neatly inflated here, will become even more meaningless pr drivel of yours.
You seem to confuse market cap with "how much would 100% of SDice or MPEx sell for today". That would be less than market cap computed by MPOE-PR above, but definitely it would be much more than only price of publicly traded shares. MP tested his approach to market cap by increasing amount of publicly traded S.MPOE shares from 6% to over 11% in this month.. and most of them already sold. So is reasonable to assume the "real price" is closer to 620k BTC. If your BTC Co can perform similarly, you can make similar claims, I don't see any issue here.

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January 26, 2013, 11:03:25 AM
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On the basis of last trade,
S.DICE at 100,000,000 shares x 0.00632181 each = 632,181 total BTC market capitalization.
S.MPOE at 1,000,000,000 shares x 0.00062071 each = 620,710 total BTC market capitalization.

Of course the last trade isn't a particularly solid point of reference, and average prices for instance paint a different picture:

Quote
<assbot> [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059613 / 0.00067264 / 0.0007 (12311765 shares, 8,281.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065233 / 0.0007 (23989321 shares, 15,649.06 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065039 / 0.0007 (51770531 shares, 33,671.44 BTC)
<assbot> [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00085848 / 0.00381004 / 0.00699 (551781 shares, 2,102.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00085848 / 0.00447518 / 0.00699 (962889 shares, 4,309.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00416676 / 0.00699 (10220055 shares, 42,584.56 BTC)

Still, it's the first time something has passed ahead of MPOE/MPEx, a first that no doubt will be soon surpassed.

Congrats to the winners! Shares of listed companies now account for ~12% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy. Our projection is that market cap of listed Bitcoin corps will be over 100% circulating Bitcoin this year or the next, what's yours?

Lets see now. SDICE IPO was for 10`000`000 (ten million) shares an not for 1,000,000,000 (one billion, one thousand million or milliard -  depends what system you are used to) . Do you see those extra 2 zeros? (and wtf is up with you obsession of zeros?)
I am not sure you can really say that S.DICE market cap is actually 632,181 BTC.

Lets say we set up a virtual BTC Co, complete the IPO by selling 10% or 1000 shares for 1 BTC a pop.
What is this Co's market cap?
How many publicly traded shares do we have? Is it 1,000 or 10,000? I am sure it's 1,000 (thousand).

So, is this virtual Co's market cap 1 000BTC or 10,000 BTC?

And please note, evoorhees can not really sell his 90,000,000,000 (LOL, I need more zeros! Pleeeeease!) imaginary shares via any btc/ltc exchange unless he announces a new IPO. Yes, in BTC world we can do what ever we want but then, those numbers you so neatly inflated here, will become even more meaningless pr drivel of yours.
You seem to confuse market cap with "how much would 100% of SDice or MPEx sell for today".
Actually, I am not. Market value is the estimated amount for which a property should exchange on the date of valuation between a willing buyer and a willing seller in an arm’s-length transaction after proper marketing wherein the parties had each acted knowledgeably, prudently, and without compulsion. - (IVSC)

What I was asking/talking about is how the "market capitalization" get calculated here.

That would be less than market cap computed by MPOE-PR above, but definitely it would be much more than only price of publicly traded shares. MP tested his approach to market cap by increasing amount of publicly traded S.MPOE shares from 6% to over 11% in this month.. and most of them already sold. So is reasonable to assume the "real price" is closer to 620k BTC. If your BTC Co can perform similarly, you can make similar claims, I don't see any issue here.

Was there a secondary offering?

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So all I need to do is invent a BTC Co with 10 693 900 shares and sell 1/10693900 of that wonderful Co to the public for 1 BTC? Now I can must ask some neurotic pr-fluff to type up the following statement:
Congrats to the winners! Shares of this listed companie now account for ~100% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy.

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January 26, 2013, 11:36:22 AM
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You seem to confuse market cap with "how much would 100% of SDice or MPEx sell for today".
Actually, I am not. Market value is the estimated amount for which a property should exchange on the date of valuation between a willing buyer and a willing seller in an arm’s-length transaction after proper marketing wherein the parties had each acted knowledgeably, prudently, and without compulsion. - (IVSC)

What I was asking/talking about is how the "market capitalization" get calculated here.
Wikipedia has broader definition. In any case we're speaking hypothetically here,neither MP nor Eric show any intention to sell. Nor are there private enterprises irl operating anywhere near %s of money supply. Would that fact increase or decrease their value? Only thing we can observe is market behavior and that shows, whatever they had thrown in so far, was sold in matter of few months. Or we have PE. Both look quite convincing to me. If not to you,why not? Isn't this just your rage about them disproving your predictions?
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That would be less than market cap computed by MPOE-PR above, but definitely it would be much more than only price of publicly traded shares. MP tested his approach to market cap by increasing amount of publicly traded S.MPOE shares from 6% to over 11% in this month.. and most of them already sold. So is reasonable to assume the "real price" is closer to 620k BTC. If your BTC Co can perform similarly, you can make similar claims, I don't see any issue here.

Was there a secondary offering?
In fact yes, MP sold shares in last few months as he seemed fit, putting big sell walls in January(or end of December don't remember exactly.)

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