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January 25, 2013, 05:35:37 PM
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    Man, this is why i ask this question. You only have to read the news to know, I´m selling right now at almost 62K per kilo intact horns and sections at 72K per kilo (average section is about .52 to .66 kg) I don´t sell powder.

    If anyone is trying to sell at this ridiculous price is probably trying to scam you, and i repeat you can search for news in google and you´ll see my prices are the right.

    Anyway my material is black rhino horn pure keratin hunted in Namibia.  I have three in the US right now:

    ---82cm (32 inch) and 5.435 kg at 330K US dollars

    ---52cm (20.3 inch) and 2.918 kg at 180K US dollars

    ---37.3 cm (14.5 inch) and 2.188 kg at 135K US dollars

    I will do sections for the smaller one, and the extra cost is because for me is more difficult to sell it in this way.

    I only accept bitcoins, and of course accept full escrow.

    I also can work outside full escrow, in 50% upfront and two bitcoins payments, or 20% bitcoins in first, and silver or gold in second.

    The horn or section can be shipped to an address or to a drop point. If you are in NY, i suppose you´ll have it in three days tops once the payment is done.

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/rhino-horn-crisis-and-the-darknet

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January 25, 2013, 05:54:53 PM
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January 25, 2013, 06:02:13 PM
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There are also counterfeit rhino horns on the black market! Let's hope he is just trying to scam someone.


 
 
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January 25, 2013, 06:13:52 PM
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There are also counterfeit rhino horns on the black market! Let's hope he is just trying to scam someone.

Year hopefully. That being real would really be terrible.

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January 25, 2013, 06:15:39 PM
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There are also counterfeit rhino horns on the black market! Let's hope he is just trying to scam someone.

Hopefully he just sends them ground up fingernail clippings... Doubt they'd be able to tell the difference.

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January 25, 2013, 06:24:51 PM
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+1, never thought I would say this phrase but I hope he is scamming or selling fake stuff !
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January 25, 2013, 06:26:19 PM
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There are also counterfeit rhino horns on the black market! Let's hope he is just trying to scam someone.

Hopefully he just sends them ground up fingernail clippings... Doubt they'd be able to tell the difference.

But they can: http://www.google.dk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sanparks.org%2Fparks%2Fkruger%2Fconservation%2Fscientific%2Fnoticeboard%2Fscience_network_meeting_2010%2FPresentations%2FHarperC.pdf&ei=eMwCUdDUHpCSswbXrIHoAQ&usg=AFQjCNFqjxXMNniNgTU23XbB1Ed2f1IMTg&sig2=CRcoLQgs8R3RCe5Fwr2URg&bvm=bv.41524429,d.Yms

Even which family of rhinos it was taken from, which sanctuary it was poached in.


 
 
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January 25, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
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Fuck poachers and their buyers in every orifice they have with poison razors.

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January 25, 2013, 06:35:24 PM
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Rhino's are like "real life" unicorns, and these poachers are like real life scum bags!
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January 25, 2013, 06:36:50 PM
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I was actually thinking about this a little while back.
Selling fake rhino horns and the likes is an animal-friendly thing to do.
If you flood the market with fake, price should drop for the real stuff too, limiting incentives for poachers.
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January 25, 2013, 06:46:05 PM
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Maybe it's time to encouraging the WWF to start accepting bitcoin donations?

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January 25, 2013, 06:47:38 PM
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Rhino's are like "real life" unicorns, and these poachers are like real life scum bags!
Wait, could that be where the ASIC unicorn blood is coming from?
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January 25, 2013, 07:05:40 PM
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Maybe it's time to encouraging the WWF to start accepting bitcoin donations?

I dunno... Hulk Hogan is getting a little long in the tooth, not really sure how much help he'd be  Grin

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January 25, 2013, 08:25:33 PM
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The South African army’s technical support was part of a shift towards the use of surveillance tech in conservation. Drones, which are cheaper than ever thanks to the U.S. military’s decade-plus of development along with a new private drone economy, have become popular in ecology and conservation efforts. Ecologists working with orangutans were notable early adopters, with drones offering the ability to fly over forests for surveys far cheaper than manned flights could ever be.

Drones are making their way into the wildlife trade as well. Google recently gave the WWF $5 million for drones to protect wildlife in Africa and Asia, while a number of other conservation groups have been getting into the drone game. Clive Vivier, a 65 year old rhino farmer and co-founder of the Zululand rhino reserve in South Africa, recently received permission from the U.S. State Department to buy Arcturus T-20 drones, which feature 17-foot wingspans, 16 hour flight times, and which are used by the Navy.
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/rhino-horn-crisis-and-the-darknet

There is some hope, with the use of drones to hunt the poachers down.

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The South African army’s technical support was part of a shift towards the use of surveillance tech in conservation. Drones, which are cheaper than ever thanks to the U.S. military’s decade-plus of development along with a new private drone economy, have become popular in ecology and conservation efforts. Ecologists working with orangutans were notable early adopters, with drones offering the ability to fly over forests for surveys far cheaper than manned flights could ever be.

Drones are making their way into the wildlife trade as well. Google recently gave the WWF $5 million for drones to protect wildlife in Africa and Asia, while a number of other conservation groups have been getting into the drone game. Clive Vivier, a 65 year old rhino farmer and co-founder of the Zululand rhino reserve in South Africa, recently received permission from the U.S. State Department to buy Arcturus T-20 drones, which feature 17-foot wingspans, 16 hour flight times, and which are used by the Navy.
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/rhino-horn-crisis-and-the-darknet

There is some hope, with the use of drones to hunt the poachers down.

Until the poachers get their own drones.

Weapons only give temporary hope that requires rapidly expanding sums of money to reacquire once lost.

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January 25, 2013, 08:52:02 PM
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Could we get an escrow provider on board to give us our coins back, pull together and try to bust this guy?

Let him ship directly to a police station or so?

I can see the news:

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Bitcoin community busts endangered spiciest poachers


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I know, but you can daydream a little.

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January 25, 2013, 11:25:31 PM
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This is a scam, no way in hell a poacher or someone with their hands on a rhino horn/horn powder would sell on the darknet.

It's like buying red rock opium. You're an idiot if you did.

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January 25, 2013, 11:35:36 PM
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This is a scam, no way in hell a poacher or someone with their hands on a rhino horn/horn powder would sell on the darknet.

It's like buying red rock opium. You're an idiot if you did.
I'm not familiar with either case, so enlighten me please.  Why not?
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January 26, 2013, 04:36:19 AM
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This is a scam, no way in hell a poacher or someone with their hands on a rhino horn/horn powder would sell on the darknet.

It's like buying red rock opium. You're an idiot if you did.
I'm not familiar with either case, so enlighten me please.  Why not?

The market for rhino horns is for the most part in Asia, although yes, there are people all over the world with enough money to buy it because it is "exotic", and because they want it, then again, what is claimed to be sold on the deepweb is the powder itself.

In China the horn is believed to be an aphrodisiac but mostly as a cure for convulsions and headaches. And acording to this link in the vietnamese use it as a drug to either party or get better after a night of boozing (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/africa/south-africa/120823/rhino-horn-party-drug-vietnam-south-africa-poaching).

And here we see the horn is used to carve anything from knives, to other "medicinal" uses: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/rhinoceros/rhino-horn-use-fact-vs-fiction/1178/


As for red rock opium, it's claimed to be "real" opium, it is in fact, and incense that is being sold in most cases.


There's no getting high from a rhino horn, theres barely anything from it that could be used as actual medicine it's made from the same substance your nails are made from, so, cut your nails, shave them to a powder and sniff to see if you'll get high and get back to me.

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