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March 05, 2016, 08:30:42 PM
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why has Factom shot up in value in the last 24 hours?
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March 05, 2016, 08:42:33 PM
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why has Factom shot up in value in the last 24 hours?


http://bravenewcoin.com/news/factom-securing-blockchain-partnerships-in-china/


Things of the sort. With all the stuff going on with bitcoin and the massive price increase in ethereum, I could see how news on anything else could be over shadowed..

Not only that but people are probably also diversifying their portfolios to hedge agains the decline in bitcoins price.. spreading their ether profits into other coins..
Who knows. Many variables. Meanwhile, this little gem is just chugging along  Smiley

Edit: i wouldnt say that the article i referenced is the reason for the increase in the past 24 hours. I would attribute that to more of the latter of my claims. Although it does shine light on the fact that they are doing big things as well.
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March 05, 2016, 09:16:10 PM
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why has Factom shot up in value in the last 24 hours?


http://bravenewcoin.com/news/factom-securing-blockchain-partnerships-in-china/


Things of the sort. With all the stuff going on with bitcoin and the massive price increase in ethereum, I could see how news on anything else could be over shadowed..

Not only that but people are probably also diversifying their portfolios to hedge agains the decline in bitcoins price.. spreading their ether profits into other coins..
Who knows. Many variables. Meanwhile, this little gem is just chugging along  Smiley

Edit: i wouldnt say that the article i referenced is the reason for the increase in the past 24 hours. I would attribute that to more of the latter of my claims. Although it does shine light on the fact that they are doing big things as well.

Thanks.

Is Factom's supply side fixed?
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March 05, 2016, 09:38:37 PM
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Yeah. They generated factoids for the crowd sale and generate more at a fixed rate to pay the people running servers and audit servers. I wouldnt imagine they are generating more in ridiculous numbers so inflation shouldnt be an issue
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March 05, 2016, 09:41:09 PM
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very nice moves

the usual pump and prob some dump later....but this one seems it'll go up nicely over the next while.

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March 06, 2016, 08:23:57 AM
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Factom is absolute junk:

I been intending to reply to this, so now I will since Factom's price is rising:

Someone asked me in a private message if I have compared my planned (currently vaporware) design to Factom.

There are some key distinctions between my design and Factom's:

  • Since Factom uses the Bitcoin block chain, it doesn't defeat selfish mining employing my math derivation.
  • Since Factom uses the Bitcoin block chain, it doesn't fix mining so that proof-of-work is unprofitable for ASICs and thus only the users mine.
  • Factom conflates the requirement to use their tokens (factoids) in order to use their consensus network, thus network is not orthogonal to user's preferred asset class.
  • Factom transactions don't become irreversible for 10 minutes, whereas my design is on the order of a second or seconds to become irreversible.
  • Factom's consensus network is a fixed number of federated servers, and not an open, unbounded entropy permission-less network. I will not explain why at this time; this limitation in Factom is derives from the fact that Factom doesn't mine its own block chain.
  • Whereas afaik Ethereum's unresolved technical problem has been it forces all the nodes to verify each script (or did they ever stop thrashing their research and settle on a delegation algorithm?), contract, or transaction, Factom consensus does not verify at all (relegates to clients to interpret but afaics clients can't inhibit further downstream graph entanglement), thus a tangled mayhem! I believe my design resolves this major, major issue.
  • I do not see any mention of network partitioning tolerance for Factom.

There may be other differences and I will need to spend more time analyzing to be sure I have enumerated every difference.

P.S. still planning to evaluate eMunie.

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Factom only uses the blockchain to secure the record.  One anchor is dropped into the bitcoin blockchain every 10 minutes.   Even if some anchors do not make it into the blockchain in a timely fashion, they can call be written, and they can also be recorded in other chains and other histories.  I don't think selfish mining has much of a way of attacking this.

That doesn't address my criticism which is that transactions are not confirmed for 10 minutes. No instant transactions. Thus no microtransactions (since these usually need to be instant).

Only the federated servers record and build the Factom history.  They are elected only by those holding Entry Credits (i.e. using the protocol).  So ASICs have little to do with Factom outside of Bitcoin as a publishing mechanism.

If the confirmation mechanism is attacked (and note that Bitcoin is controlled by China), then so is Factom.

The 51 percent attack on Bitcoin might prevent anchors from being written by Factom.  There are other ways to write anchors though, so not too much of a concern.

You can't write anything to the block chain if the attacker doesn't allow you to.

Factom itself must have a majority of Federated Servers following the rules. So a 51 percent attack remains possible.

Factom doesn't require Factoids to use the protocol, but Entry Credits.  And while Entry Credits are created from Factoids, by breaking the direct connection of the token from the use of the protocol, the use of the protocol can be denominated in any token.  So in fact, you could give someone dollars, or Bitcoin, or XCoin in exchange for Entry Credits and make use of the Factom protocol, and never touch a Factoid.  The token only exists to reward servers to record data.  Meta protocols can thus run on top of Factom, and if those protocols have value, they can be used without any particular user having to have factoids.

The point is that one must obtain some tokens or units other than their preferred one in order to run Factom or Ethereum. This limits network effects and use cases, because it adds exchange risk and latency risk.

Factoid transactions are irreversible as soon as a federated server has issued a receipt.

Impossible. You simply don't understand anything about Nash equilibrium and the Prisoner's dilemma. This an entirely broken design. The only possible way it could work is for all Federated servers to have absolute trust in each other.

Each receipt is part of a chain of entries, so each receipt builds on the previous entries.  Thus a transaction can be considered final in Factom in seconds.

No because nothing is confirmed by a consensus system. You simply do not understand the issues about Nash equilibrium, trust, and the Prisoner's dilemma.

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March 06, 2016, 09:05:12 AM
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because bitcoin found a bottom, ethereum & monero found a top, and MM's profits are flowing into other big alts like FCT MAID and DASH.

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March 06, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
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Most of the altcoins have gained some significant increase in the price per coin to Btc cause the Bitcoin price is down by 40$ + and obviously there is much less difference for dollar.The fake pumps do have a role in it.
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March 06, 2016, 10:10:24 PM
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Because we're in a new altcoin bull market. Interestingly, and in harmony with "blockchain" becoming a business buzzword, the alts that are benefitting the most are big-team "startup" coins. Etherium is the biggest "startup" type coin, but Factom is up there.

Plus, the Factom team is cutting real deals. Grin

Interestingly, one grass-roots alt that has cut deals with at least two Japanese public companies is the latest coin to rocket up on close to 1000 BTC volume. Namely, XEM - the New Economy Movement. It blasted up this morning (ET) to a little above 300 before peeling back.

But to get back to the thread's point, Factom is benefitting from three favourable tailwinds:

a) A new altcoin bull market,
b) centered around "start-up type coins,
c) and the Factom team themselves is already cutting deals for Factom real-world use.






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March 07, 2016, 02:21:07 AM
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Because we're in a new altcoin bull market. Interestingly, and in harmony with "blockchain" becoming a business buzzword, the alts that are benefitting the most are big-team "startup" coins. Etherium is the biggest "startup" type coin, but Factom is up there.

Plus, the Factom team is cutting real deals. Grin

Interestingly, one grass-roots alt that has cut deals with at least two Japanese public companies is the latest coin to rocket up on close to 1000 BTC volume. Namely, XEM - the New Economy Movement. It blasted up this morning (ET) to a little above 300 before peeling back.

But to get back to the thread's point, Factom is benefitting from three favourable tailwinds:

a) A new altcoin bull market,
b) centered around "start-up type coins,
c) and the Factom team themselves is already cutting deals for Factom real-world use.


NEM = awesome.

top 5 within a year.

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March 07, 2016, 03:34:03 AM
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But to get back to the thread's point, Factom is benefitting from threefour favourable tailwinds:

a) A new altcoin bull market,
b) centered around "start-up type coins,
c) and the Factom team themselves is already cutting deals for Factom real-world use.
d) technological ignorance of investors and others who endorse shit that is technologically flawed and can't be fixed.

ftfy

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March 07, 2016, 03:45:38 AM
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Because we're in a new altcoin bull market. Interestingly, and in harmony with "blockchain" becoming a business buzzword, the alts that are benefitting the most are big-team "startup" coins. Etherium is the biggest "startup" type coin, but Factom is up there.

Plus, the Factom team is cutting real deals. Grin

Interestingly, one grass-roots alt that has cut deals with at least two Japanese public companies is the latest coin to rocket up on close to 1000 BTC volume. Namely, XEM - the New Economy Movement. It blasted up this morning (ET) to a little above 300 before peeling back.

But to get back to the thread's point, Factom is benefitting from three favourable tailwinds:

a) A new altcoin bull market,
b) centered around "start-up type coins,
c) and the Factom team themselves is already cutting deals for Factom real-world use.

You summed it up nicely. This "startup" market is a refreshing change from the years past
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March 07, 2016, 04:27:23 AM
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Anh yes....another day another victim.
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March 07, 2016, 08:34:00 AM
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FCT is a centralized blockchain. They built it from scratch and are experts on how to use it. "Big Business" likes this approach. This is one of those coins that you will want to sell one day and not keep it forever.



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March 07, 2016, 06:30:19 PM
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FCT is a centralized blockchain. They built it from scratch and are experts on how to use it. "Big Business" likes this approach. This is one of those coins that you will want to sell one day and not keep it forever.

Yeah, but it is a HODL right now. Who knows what one Factoid would be worth in 2020?






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March 07, 2016, 06:34:01 PM
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Because we're in a new altcoin bull market. Interestingly, and in harmony with "blockchain" becoming a business buzzword, the alts that are benefitting the most are big-team "startup" coins. Etherium is the biggest "startup" type coin, but Factom is up there.

Plus, the Factom team is cutting real deals. Grin

Interestingly, one grass-roots alt that has cut deals with at least two Japanese public companies is the latest coin to rocket up on close to 1000 BTC volume. Namely, XEM - the New Economy Movement. It blasted up this morning (ET) to a little above 300 before peeling back.

But to get back to the thread's point, Factom is benefitting from three favourable tailwinds:

a) A new altcoin bull market,
b) centered around "start-up type coins,
c) and the Factom team themselves is already cutting deals for Factom real-world use.

You summed it up nicely. This "startup" market is a refreshing change from the years past

We humans being what we are, a lot of us will lament the passing of the "grass-roots" days. Wink






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March 08, 2016, 12:39:48 AM
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FCT is a centralized blockchain. They built it from scratch and are experts on how to use it. "Big Business" likes this approach. This is one of those coins that you will want to sell one day and not keep it forever.

Yeah, but it is a HODL right now. Who knows what one Factoid would be worth in 2020?

I am going to do my very best to release something in 2016 that puts all these utterly flawed 2.0 chains in the trashcan with 0 market caps.

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March 08, 2016, 09:57:53 PM
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FCT is going crazy on polo right now. The trollboxers say it will be dumped soon. Think it's too late to buy?
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March 08, 2016, 10:01:37 PM
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FCT is going crazy on polo right now. The trollboxers say it will be dumped soon. Think it's too late to buy?

Maybe the whales are pumping the price up buying from themselves as fast as they can before my truth campaign upthread becomes widely known.

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March 09, 2016, 07:50:47 AM
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It keeps going up and up  Huh
https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/factom/btc
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