Q: Should Lauda *really* be a moderator of bitcointalk A: no

[gorgon666]

Lauda, why don't you be very clear, and tell everyone the purpose of you receiving 1 btc was? This way you can be on the record!

[suchmoon]

Lauda is now on the payroll of TradeFortress, the infamous inputs.io/coinlenders scammer.

Today Lauda received at least 1 bitcoin from TradeFortress.

Lauda, what is your roll in working for TradeFortress?

Wasn't there a joint venture between yourself and TF?

No. I would never do business with Trade Fortress. It was clear for a long time that he was a long con, before even Inputs.io opened. Now he has the moderators on his payroll.

You may have accidentally removed part of my post from your quote. That's probably what's causing the confusion. Here it is again:

Wasn't there a joint venture between yourself and TF?

Edit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179238.msg12406963#msg12406963

And here is a full quote from the link above in case you can't click on it for some reason:

@Quickseller, I'll contribute 20 BTC towards a civil lawsuit against Vod. One of his email addresses is mlawrence02@yahoo.com , as given here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1070760#msg1070760

You may be able to subpoena Yahoo Canada for his IP address (via a John Doe-style civil suit), and then subpoena the ISP for account holder details.

If you are serious about this then please PM me contact details and I will get you a PGP signed address to send to.

Great! Please email me at admin@glados.cc; a PGP clearsigned message will do. Thanks!

sent.

edit: 20 BTC received

It also doesn't look like you've ever made any attempt to warn anyone about TF's "long con". Such a horrendous oversight for a scam buster like yourself, isn't it?

[Lutpin]

There's a distinct difference between censoring and moderation. The thread was used to troll and thus is not allowed. It showed up on the first page of Services for me even thought it is old (March).

I've reported it earlier due to the changed policy announced by theymos when it comes to handeling doxes and things that are connected to them^[1].

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1576015.0

[Slow death]

Unbelievable that this discussion has reached 15 pages, I had to read 15 pages and I confess I do not understand why they came to have 15 pages.

@gorgon666

What problem you have with moderation of Lauda?

@Quickseller

What problem you have with moderation of Lauda?

It seems to me @gorgon666 and @Quickseller station taking this fight to a dark side (Revenge)


About Red Trust that Lauda gave defcon23 generated fight, but this fight was fueled by gorgon666 and Quickseller.

He had that guy who tried to mediate the conflict between Lauda and defcon23

Lauda and defcon23 had already reached an agreement, but returned to fight just because some deleted post and because Quickseller insists judge Lauda.


Lauda and defcon23, you are mature and very intelligent people, fighting does not solve anything, just reconcile and remove trust that both sides gave each other. to end the fighting, violence is something that has very serious consequences.

@gorgon666

You're smart, lock this thread, you have the right to say that Lauda not worth STAFF member is your opinion, and we respect your opinion, I do not know what criteria the forum administrator uses to name the team the forum, but until the time I did not see something very serious to justify that Lauda should be removed from the staff.

If you do not lock this thread you will be to feed more discussions that end up generating hate to touch the wounds of the past.

@Quickseller

In many posts I read, always has his name, fights with @vod, @dooglus and with so many members. There comes a time in life to fight not make sense. trust me, I know very well the other side of this world. You are very smart and I read a lot your post and always tell people: People change, only sins apologize if done evil to someone and expect people to forgive you.

I think you should make peace with VOD which is also a good person.

dig and judge people because of their past ( which is what the trust system creates ), creates hatred and pain in people ... and I think that nobody likes.

Do not let the TRUST system destroy this forum. The DT trust system created ambition in many members, no matter what methods to use, this becomes a DT that's fine.

[Coinonomous]

LOL @ all this stupidness. QS, grow up already and find some sort of life outside this forum, you clearly have some weird mental issues.

thanks and sorry, but just sayin....

[gorgon666]

Lauda has no sense of ethics. Lauda does not care if money she receives is stolen. Why should anyone trust Lauda if he is willing to keep money he knows is stolen?

[Lauda]

Lauda, why don't you be very clear, and tell everyone the purpose of you receiving 1 btc was? This way you can be on the record!

The purpose was to provide legal counseling for escrow scammers.

Do not let the TRUST system destroy this forum. The DT trust system created ambition in many members, no matter what methods to use, this becomes a DT that's fine.

He even attempted to use you as an 'argument' since you've excluded me from your trust list.

LOL @ all this stupidness.

If you can get a good laugh from reading this, it isn't a complete waste.

Lauda has no sense of ethics. Lauda does not care if money she receives is stolen. Why should anyone trust Lauda if he is willing to keep money he knows is stolen?

Again, there is zero proof that they are stolen. There is some speculative proof that they may be tied to TF (this still doesn't make them stolen). Also, it's nobody's business where the money comes from and what it gets used for (excluding law enforcement).

[Slow death]

Do not let the TRUST system destroy this forum. The DT trust system created ambition in many members, no matter what methods to use, this becomes a DT that's fine.

He even attempted to use you as an 'argument' since you've excluded me from your trust list.

I exclude you from my list by accident, but have added you.
 
this is my trust list:

dooglus
vod
Lauda
Shorena
cryptodevil
mexxer-2
Lutpin
Steve_Tou
opmac

you do not do anything wrong. Just continue with your good work.

[minifrij]

Lauda has no sense of ethics.

Good thing this is irrelevant in regards to moderating a forum; ethics aren't needed to follow and enforce a set of rules.

Lauda does not care if money she receives is stolen.

This has no relevance to their moderation capabilities or their ability to fulfill a responsibility.

Why should anyone trust Lauda if he is willing to keep money he knows is stolen?

Referencing the bolded text, it is because no one has any clue the original source of the money sent. Almost the entire 'stolen money' argument is based off of one post by Malevolent in 2013. I do not see this as sufficient proof to accuse someone of something, especially something that can affect their reputation negatively.

[Quickseller]

@Quickseller

What problem you have with moderation of Lauda?

I am not attempting to take any kind of revenge against Lauda, nor do I have any personal issue with Lauda.

I believe that Lauda is an extortionist, and a liar. More recently, it looks like that lauda cannot respond to criticism nor answer tough questions without trolling the person asking. Also, more recently, it appears that Lauda does not care about how his actions look to those on the outside:

<Slck> <vizique> however, youve been "paid" Lauda, how do you think it looks to others from teh outside?
<Slck> <lauda> I couldn't care less how it looks.

Good thing this is irrelevant in regards to moderating a forum; ethics aren't needed to follow and enforce a set of rules.

I would have to disagree with you here. Moderators are given discretion on how they handle things, and even going beyond discretion, they have the ability to mark a report as "bad" that is not necessarily a bad report, potentially allowing something to stay that should not stay.

There is also the issue of confidentiality, there is a lot of information in the staff subforum that is suppose to remain confidential, and generally speaking the identity of who reported a particular post should remain confidential. If someone with questionable ethics has access to this information/abilities, then why should it be expected for this information to be kept confidential?

Also, regarding the BTC that Lauda received, I don't think the issue is so much that the BTC might be stolen, but is more the issue of how Lauda reacted when he determined it might be stolen. The overall impression that I got from Lauda was that he does not care if the BTC is stolen or not, and that it is none of anyone's business what he does with it.

[Vod]

I believe that Lauda is an extortionist, and a liar.

I'll ask this question again - WHO ARE YOU TO CALL ANOTHER PERSON A LIAR?

You've lied on this forum numerous times - most notably when you said you banned when you weren't, and when you said you'd leave when you didn't.

It looks like Quickseller cannot respond to criticism nor answer tough questions without trolling the person asking.   

[Lauda]

I am not attempting to take any kind of revenge against Lauda, nor do I have any personal issue with Lauda.

Of course not.

Also, regarding the BTC that Lauda received, I don't think the issue is so much that the BTC might be stolen, but is more the issue of how Lauda reacted when he determined it might be stolen. The overall impression that I got from Lauda was that he does not care if the BTC is stolen or not, and that it is none of anyone's business what he does with it.

No. After doing my own analysis, I have concluded that it is not stolen. You're correct on the secondary part: It is not anyone's business (excluding some institutions) what I do with my money, especially not the business of escrow scammers.

More recently, it looks like that lauda cannot respond to criticism nor answer tough questions without trolling the person asking. Also, more recently, it appears that Lauda does not care about how his actions look to those on the outside:

How I interact with people outside of the forum is also none of your concern nor has it any relevance to the forum nor moderation.

Moderators are given discretion on how they handle things, and even going beyond discretion, they have the ability to mark a report as "bad" that is not necessarily a bad report, potentially allowing something to stay that should not stay. If someone with questionable ethics has access to this information/abilities, then why should it be expected for this information to be kept confidential?

Ethics are irrelevant in this context due to the nature of how I treat the set of given rules. Additionally, I stay away from almost every decision if there's even a remote possibility that I would be influenced by subjective bias (i.e. I wouldn't be impartial). An example would be the recent thread by gorgon regarding Mitchell and me; we both ignored a report regarding it. As far as I understand it, theymos does review our work from time to time (mprep stated this somewhere IIRC).

You've lied on this forum numerous times - most notably when you said you banned when you weren't, and when you said you'd leave when you didn't. It looks like Quickseller cannot respond to criticism nor answer tough questions without trolling the person asking.  

When one calls them out on this, they claim it's ad hominem even though we are purely talking about facts.

[BitcoinEXpress]

I am not attempting to take any kind of revenge against Lauda, nor do I have any personal issue with Lauda.

You also said you weren't an escrow scammer turned out you lied
You also said you were banned turned out you lied
You also said numerous times you were never coming back turned out you lied
You claimed to not be the OP gorgon666 turned out you lied
You claimed you are not attempting to take any kind of revenge against Lauda, turned out you lied

Is there a pattern here?


~BCX~

[Heutenamos]

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

[BitcSeo]

☞Lauda, does her/his job well.

I've notice most of the response in a timely manner where from this person

Thanks
Bitcseo

[expert4knowledge]

I do not know who Lauda is exactly and what she or he did but it can be an interesting and also dangerous to ask forum members about distributing responsibilities of the forum admins, moderators. I prefer admins who are not strict pedagogue.

[defcon23]

I do not know who Lauda is exactly and what she or he did but it can be an interesting and also dangerous to ask forum members about distributing responsibilities of the forum admins, moderators. I prefer admins who are not strict pedagogue.

waww !!! you made my day !    yes!!
seriously man ..

[ajareselde]

I am not attempting to take any kind of revenge against Lauda, nor do I have any personal issue with Lauda.

You also said you weren't an escrow scammer turned out you lied
You also said you were banned turned out you lied
You also said numerous times you were never coming back turned out you lied
You claimed to not be the OP gorgon666 turned out you lied
You claimed you are not attempting to take any kind of revenge against Lauda, turned out you lied

Is there a pattern here?

Him lying doesn't make some of his raised questions any less valid, only his motives maybe,which is besides the point.
While i agree with him on some points, in regards to Lauda, i don't. As someone nicely said above, "ethics aren't needed to follow and enforce a set of rules."

[Lauda]

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

This is a waste of time, but I do have to/should defend myself?

I do not know who Lauda is exactly and what she or he did but it can be an interesting and also dangerous to ask forum members about distributing responsibilities of the forum admins, moderators. I prefer admins who are not strict pedagogue.

I truly failed to understand the meaning of this post (I've even asked other people for interpretation). Care to elaborate?

Him lying doesn't make some of his raised questions any less valid, only his motives maybe,which is besides the point.

He did raise several questions in addition to several attempts of manipulation (e.g. misrepresenting the story, making me seem like a liar, etc.). I've yet to see 1 issue that was factually true. I'm open to discuss any potential errors in moderation/possible improvements.

While i agree with him on some points, in regards to Lauda, i don't. As someone nicely said above, "ethics aren't needed to follow and enforce a set of rules."

Correct. If anything, people should be surprised by the high level of impartial separation that I'm able to achieve between personal interactions (in my free time, e.g. IRL, chatroom, etc.) and my interactions on the forum. Just because I am usually not nice (I'm a realist), or I sometimes reject criticism from random people somewhere on the internet, that does not reflect the way that I handle my moderator position.
Update:

Don't bother. He's on my ignore list not (just) for being a notorious sig spammer, but because he somehow makes less sense than a Markov text generator.

Understood. The post does seem awkwardly written.

[Foxpup]

I do not know who Lauda is exactly and what she or he did but it can be an interesting and also dangerous to ask forum members about distributing responsibilities of the forum admins, moderators. I prefer admins who are not strict pedagogue.

I truly failed to understand the meaning of this post (I've even asked other people for interpretation). Care to elaborate?

Don't bother. He's on my ignore list not (just) for being a notorious sig spammer, but because he somehow makes less sense than a Markov text generator.