Q: Should Lauda *really* be a moderator of bitcointalk A: no

[Gunthar]

bump

wtf....really?

anyway: he surely got an attitude and theymos made him mod,so yes, he IS definitely a mod.

[defcon23]

bump

wtf....really?

anyway: he surely got an attitude and theymos made him mod,so yes, he IS definitely a mod.

LOL   let me laught... you made my day lolol

he surely got an attitude

   

[Gunthar]

bump

wtf....really?

anyway: he surely got an attitude and theymos made him mod,so yes, he IS definitely a mod.

LOL   let me laught... you made my day lolol

he surely got an attitude

   

* Gunthar dies laffin...

[Lutpin]

LOL let me laught... you made my day lolol

Didn't you already get enough, Deffy?

[defcon23]

LOL let me laught... you made my day lolol

Didn't you already get enough, Deffy?

 poor guy...  go back crying to your mummy .... poor teenager

that's not me who has asked publiquely for buying some drugs on IRC .... *

Lauda's , the great bad moderator did:

[Lutpin]

poor guy...  go back crying to your mummy .... poor teenager

I can do without insults, or rather juvenile tries at insulting the other guy.
I might be the younger one between the two of us, but ask yourself this, who's acting like the kid?

that's not me who has asked publiquely for buying some drugs on IRC .... *

Lauda is not the one banned from ccc, you are.
Lauda is not the one who started insulting people, you are.
Lauda is not the one who threatened to release doxes, you are.
I could go on...

[defcon23]

poor guy...  go back crying to your mummy .... poor teenager

I can do without insults, or rather juvenile tries at insulting the other guy.
I might be the younger one between the two of us, but ask yourself this, who's acting like the kid?

that's not me who has asked publiquely for buying some drugs on IRC .... *

Lauda is not the one banned from ccc, you are.
Lauda is not the one who started insulting people, you are.
Lauda is not the one who threatened to release doxes, you are.
I could go on...

if Mitchell was honest , ( and I don't doubt he is..) he would  publicly say what I have told him in PM on IRC , when he said me :  "  minifridj ( with I never got even 1 trade..) think you **could** DOX a lot of people here are you have got so many real names and addresses..."  about my answer was:
" MITCHEL.. I WAS THINKING YOU KNOW ME ENOUGH TO KNOW I WILL NEVER DO THAT ..."   but minifrij has posted this PM in cutting this part... Mitchell  ? can you confirm, please ?  thanx in advance  
who was doxed since this story happened  ??  Mitchell ?  who have banned me from his room ?? ( yeah I have his name , address , etc etc .. ) : BUT NO: I haven't did that .. so, just  keep your shitty / fake insinuations/accusations for you dear super Gestapo man.

you think , you , Lauda and few over sheep , you will drive this forum based on how you intend it .. that's just a shame nobody got finally the balls to tell you STOP: it's enough... we are not in a communist community.  we are in a free community , with a free market, and it was in this way Bitcoin was intended for...  not to satisfy you un-measured ego , to you and Lauda.

[Mitchell]

My chat log with Defcon23:

Code:

[2-10-16 16:29:57] <defcon23> hello 
[2-10-16 16:30:05] <defcon23> may i ask to be re-invited ?
[2-10-16 21:43:30] <defcon23> i remove my post as minifridj remove ihis shit
[2-10-16 21:43:49] <defcon23> what the fuck ??
[2-10-16 21:43:59] <defcon23> have you read correctly tjhe logs mate??
[2-10-16 21:45:16] <DeepSpace> You weren't banned for the drug stuff. 
[2-10-16 21:45:18] <DeepSpace> ... 
[2-10-16 21:45:27] <DeepSpace> How often do I need to explain this to you
[2-10-16 21:45:38] <defcon23> why are you soutening this burn the wich?
[2-10-16 21:45:51] <DeepSpace> The main reason you are banned is because of your comment towards bg4 and your threats to other members 
[2-10-16 21:46:10] <defcon23> ok ... why this bastard talk about dox?
[2-10-16 21:46:47] <defcon23> make him shut your mouth
[2-10-16 21:46:54] <DeepSpace> Go talk to him not me lol. 
[2-10-16 21:47:02] <DeepSpace> He isn't doxing yoi
[2-10-16 21:47:13] <DeepSpace> He is saying that you might DOX us. 
[2-10-16 21:47:27] <defcon23> make him shut his mouth
[2-10-16 21:47:37] <defcon23> as you are encouraging this shit
[2-10-16 21:47:49] <DeepSpace> And you are treating him. And now me. 
[2-10-16 21:47:56] <DeepSpace> I'm not doing anything. It's our fight. 
[2-10-16 21:48:00] <DeepSpace> *your fight. 
[2-10-16 21:48:08] <defcon23> how can you tell me to talk in adult from your 22 years old as i'm 49
[2-10-16 21:48:20] <defcon23> yes
[2-10-16 21:48:28] <defcon23> i have many doxes in my hands
[2-10-16 21:48:36] <defcon23> never i will used them
[2-10-16 21:48:41] <defcon23> i'm not like that
[2-10-16 21:48:54] <defcon23> i was thinking you know me a bit better now mate
[2-10-16 21:49:29] <defcon23> never i will used that against people
[2-10-16 21:49:42] <defcon23> even if i have a big mouth sometime
[2-10-16 21:50:01] <defcon23> this shit against me shouldnt be encouraged like that
[2-10-16 21:50:21] <DeepSpace> Minifrij tells me that he will reply to you in twenty minutes or so.
[2-10-16 21:50:36] <defcon23> he reply to me here
[2-10-16 21:50:37] <DeepSpace> And if you don't want shot don't threaten people... 
[2-10-16 21:50:49] <defcon23> or it will take proportions he dont imagine
[2-10-16 21:50:56] <DeepSpace> Another threat. 
[2-10-16 21:51:00] <defcon23> yeah
[2-10-16 21:51:03] <defcon23> another one
[2-10-16 21:51:05] <DeepSpace> Jesus Christ dude. Stop it. 
[2-10-16 21:51:13] <DeepSpace> You are not helping yourself. 
[2-10-16 21:51:15] <defcon23> and it's not just taht

Grab of the IRC client (as extra proof) and here are the screenshots I posted:

     


I will not speculate on why minifrij cropped them (but I doubt that it was done with bad intent) and all I've got to say is that this whole ordeal is getting childish. Threats shouldn't have been made and this drama stuff should have been done with and resolved ages ago.

[defcon23]

[2-10-16 21:48:28] <defcon23> i have many doxes in my hands
[2-10-16 21:48:36] <defcon23> never i will used them
[2-10-16 21:48:41] <defcon23> i'm not like that
[2-10-16 21:48:54] <defcon23> i was thinking you know me a bit better now mate
[2-10-16 21:49:29] <defcon23> never i will used that against people
[2-10-16 21:49:42] <defcon23> even if i have a big mouth sometime

thank you mitchell ...   you acting in a fair way.

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and here's what minifrij have posted...   not trunked intentionally ?........ hmm ... LOL
do you see the cutted parts ?....

[minifrij]

I confirm that I did crop screenshots (the same as posted above) as I did not think that certain parts were relevant to the point I was using them to make. It has nothing to do with Mitchell.
My sincere apologies to anyone who was affected by my wrongdoings.

[defcon23]

I confirm that I did crop screenshots (the same as posted above) as I did not think that certain parts were relevant to the point I was using them to make. It has nothing to do with Mitchell.
My sincere apologies to anyone who was affected by my wrongdoings.

that's fair from you too to recognised it..  on this famous day , I have to recognise to haven't been "to my top" too...  my apologies for my bad words too against you .

Now rest the Lutpin and the Lauda's cases : that's an another story. nothing could change the fact they act as kids and they are a pure example of "power abuse" , nothing can change this... look how they try to exploit anything each time they can , to drive their hate .. that's just insane.

[Lutpin]

Now rest the Lutpin and the Lauda's cases : that's an another story. nothing could change the fact they act as kids and they are a pure example of "power abuse" , nothing can change this... look how they try to exploit anything each time they can , to drive their hate .. that's just insane.

You seem obsessed, Defcon. Almost paranoid, not unlike back when this thread was started.
One may even come to the conclusion it is you who is insane.

If you could further refrain from addressing any "Lutpin cases" in this thread, I would be very happy.
Start a designated thread about my "power abuse" and "hate", if you feel the need to, this thread is a thread about Lauda.

[TheCryptoMint]

My experience with him started when a copyrighted image slipped into my design by accident. He tried to get everyone on IRC to leave bad feedback about me which I thought was highly inappropriate for someone on a position of power. I did take screenshots obviously of him rallying his troops and you can see the feedback he posted on my trust already. It's inappropriate and turns out I can use the image anyway. No fairness, no reasoning and trying to abuse his status of power.

[smoothie]

My experience with him started when a copyrighted image slipped into my design by accident. He tried to get everyone on IRC to leave bad feedback about me which I thought was highly inappropriate for someone on a position of power. I did take screenshots obviously of him rallying his troops and you can see the feedback he posted on my trust already. It's inappropriate and turns out I can use the image anyway. No fairness, no reasoning and trying to abuse his status of power.

If my memory serves me correctly, You had the Chicago Bulls logo on your product as well as a fairly similar design of a bank's statue that looked blatantly plagiarized.

There were many users (not just me) on that thread that expressed their concern for your usage of such copyrighted work.

[Lauda]

He tried to get everyone on IRC to leave bad feedback about me which I thought was highly inappropriate for someone on a position of power.

Even though I don't recall the events, as they are of little importance, I'm pretty sure that this isn't the case.

No fairness, no reasoning and trying to abuse his status of power.

So being on default trust depth 3 is a status of power now? You obviously do not know how the trust system works. Instead of being grateful as you were saved from a potential lawsuit, you come around complaining about some sort of abuse as you got left a negative trust rating? The curious part:
1) AFAIK you were never on IRC, which may indicate that someone has been feeding you logs.
2) You never attempted to contact me regarding the rating (which is usually how they get resolved).
3) The rating was there for a while, and has been long gone.
In all fairness, someone could leave you a negative rating for falsely accusing them of power abuse and it would be considered appropriate.

[TheCryptoMint]

He tried to get everyone on IRC to leave bad feedback about me which I thought was highly inappropriate for someone on a position of power.

Even though I don't recall the events, as they are of little importance, I'm pretty sure that this isn't the case.

No fairness, no reasoning and trying to abuse his status of power.

So being on default trust depth 3 is a status of power now? You obviously do not know how the trust system works. Instead of being grateful as you were saved from a potential lawsuit, you come around complaining about some sort of abuse as you got left a negative trust rating? The curious part:
1) AFAIK you were never on IRC, which may indicate that someone has been feeding you logs.
2) You never attempted to contact me regarding the rating (which is usually how they get resolved).
3) The rating was there for a while, and has been long gone.
In all fairness, someone could leave you a negative rating for falsely accusing them of power abuse and it would be considered appropriate.

I didn't realise you had taken it away. May I ask why you removed the negative feedback?  Anyway the actual negative rating from you was not my main concern it was the IRC chat. If my opinion warrants negative feedback then fair enough but I think it would be more meaningful if you asked another moderator to leave it as it would be a conflict of interest if you did it. But the whole point of a forum is discussion which is what we are doing.
Your exact words were 'Í reccoment leaving negative ratings to TheCryptoMint'

I personally dont understand why a moderator would ask other people to do this and it was this which made me feel the way I do.

[Lauda]

I didn't realise you had taken it away. May I ask why you removed the negative feedback?  

You pulled the plug on the project, so there was no need to keep it indefinitely (the offense wasn't that *bad).

If my opinion warrants negative feedback then fair enough but I think it would be more meaningful if you asked another moderator to leave it as it would be a conflict of interest if you did it. But the whole point of a forum is discussion which is what we are doing.

I think you're confusing the position of a Staff member, and a DT member (default trust 1 or two). These are not necessarily connected, as in, you can be a staff member but not a DT member, vice versa, or both. The trust system is independent of moderation (you should read into it a bit).

Your exact words were 'Í reccoment leaving negative ratings to TheCryptoMint'

There's nothing wrong with that. Anyone is free to disagree with such a recommendation and not do anything about it (which they have not if this was case). You shouldn't rely on IRC logs, as most often I'm not serious there (not sure about the other individuals). Note: I can not confirm nor deny saying this, as I do not have the logs from that time (and independent search failed to confirm this).

Update: Added note and image.

[Lutpin]

If my opinion warrants negative feedback then fair enough but I think it would be more meaningful if you asked another moderator to leave it as it would be a conflict of interest if you did it.

Being a moderator has nothing to do with the feedback system around here. Their feedbacks are handled the same as feedbacks you and I leave.
There are other factors determining the weight of a feedback, you might want to educate yourself about the basics of the trust system first, before making false asumptions.

[Vod]

Well, someone on DT1 thinks Lauda is doing a great job!   

[TheCryptoMint]

Hi. I am reasonably new here and I made an accusation against Lauda. I dont want to discuss the accusation but afterwards I have dealt with the mentioned user and had a normal experience. So I take my claims back. Let it be noted. Thanks.