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[karolsw2]

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[JavaLove]

Your website layout is cheap and you're using a FreeNom domain, so you're quite literally using a free domain name. Come on, this will only "work" (if you guys actually pay) for the first investor, after that the system collapses and you run with the money. A bit of an obvious scam.

By the way, this should be located in "investor-based games"

[juraviel]

Your website layout is cheap and you're using a FreeNom domain, so you're quite literally using a free domain name. Come on, this will only "work" (if you guys actually pay) for the first investor, after that the system collapses and you run with the money. A bit of an obvious scam.

By the way, this should be located in "investor-based games"

Yes he already made it as obvious as can be. The site is called bitpyramid ffs. If I was a moderator of this subforum I would make it obligatory for every OP to include in their message a big fat warning, a link to a wiki article or something, what a ponzi is, what are the risks etc etc.

You literally risk 4 cents in this case. For some people that is worth giving it a try. Jesus

[JavaLove]

Your website layout is cheap and you're using a FreeNom domain, so you're quite literally using a free domain name. Come on, this will only "work" (if you guys actually pay) for the first investor, after that the system collapses and you run with the money. A bit of an obvious scam.

By the way, this should be located in "investor-based games"

Yes he already made it as obvious as can be. The site is called bitpyramid ffs. If I was a moderator of this subforum I would make it obligatory for every OP to include in their message a big fat warning, a link to a wiki article or something, what a ponzi is, what are the risks etc etc.

You literally risk 4 cents in this case. For some people that is worth giving it a try. Jesus

You're risking about $0.41 when looking at current market conditions.

And money is money. Why give $0.41 when you could invest it, yourself, and buy altcoins, yourself. Without any strings attached. Say, DOGE, CLAM or something else. Not like you'll get much profit but it's better than investing in this bullshit.

And we should all know what a ponzi is. Someone pays and then another person pays and suddenly the first person gets paid. Unfortunately, it doesn't take just 1 extra person to pay person 2, it takes 2 more. Then another 2 for person 3, then another 2 for 4, 2 for 5. We're already at the fifth person yet there are many, many other people waiting for their payments.

These systems, pyramids, ponzis never work. They are designed in one way, and one way only and that is to give the admin a way to steal all the money. Whether it's $0.41 or $410 you shouldn't ever give criminals your money. I'm not stopping you but rather just speaking out.

[JavaLove]

https://blockchain.info/en/address/19xPZcYnBnc88HXJBCPrckC9iHYorgaKb4

As you can see, i'm paying This is profitable to me, baceuse every "cycle" i get 0.001 BTC I don't need to steal money.

Well that doesn't help. At all. By making more people pay in order to give yourself a fee, that is quite large I must say, you'll just make the waiting list get larger and larger everytime and will collapse more quickly.

On the upside, for you, it allows more people to deposit more quickly therefore you can shut it down faster and steal all money.

Come on, we're not oblivious to this scam. You put no work into it and just want to scam, I'm not even going to click that blockchain address. Waste of time.

[juraviel]

https://blockchain.info/en/address/19xPZcYnBnc88HXJBCPrckC9iHYorgaKb4

As you can see, i'm paying This is profitable to me, baceuse every "cycle" i get 0.001 BTC I don't need to steal money.

He meant when the system doesnt work, the ponzi owner (and please be frank and call it was it is), will eventually run with the money to cover his costs. He is right about that. What an honest person would do, is shell out his own money in that case, because, as he often promises, the money is safety and secure and no risk of losing the investment right.. unfortunately that almost never happens (obviously). But isn't that what all gambling is, you will most often stand a higher chance to lose, than to win. Some people are ok with that (for reasons I won't go into, as this is going far away from the topic as it is)

[bitbollo]

Hello everybody!

I've made a bitcoin doubler site.
Link: http://www.bitpyramid.ml/

How it works?

The program is very simple - if you invest 0.001 BTC, and 3 other people invest 0.001 BTC too - you will get 0.002 BTC. Easy? Easy.

0.001 BTC is going to the program owner (me).

Despite your "hard work" such sites are illegal in some countries (for example in Italy such pyramid) are really persecuted by law.
And therefore such site are really to stupid.
Where is the investment? Where is the profit?
You pay old investors with money from "new" investors.
What's a shame... because people spend a lot of time to imagine a ponzi/MLM/ PYRAMID and such scam sites....
But if they apply these resources in more pleasant way?!
I think you can get more and more   more than a negative trust obviously!

[alwinlinzee]

Personally i doubt your payment proof because you do not have any capital base and your website is hosted on free webhosting with free domain name.

[opmac]

ADDED TO THE LIST

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1339672.msg13665221#msg13665221


I don't need to say anything else. The OP is already proving he is running a scam PONZI



IGNORE THIS THREAD

[bL4nkcode]

I don't think that these site will last long, if your using a free hosting and then if you will get your
payment from the new investors. You will paid at first and then go. LOL

[cryptodevil]

Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

[Krayshock]

This thing is just like one of those pyramiding schemes, only a lot riskier.
C'mon, put more effort in your "doubler" that will "help" people earn.
I mean, who's buying this?!

[supermoney]

Hello everybody!

I've made a bitcoin doubler site.
Link: http://www.bitpyramid.ml/

How it works?

The program is very simple - if you invest 0.001 BTC, and 3 other people invest 0.001 BTC too - you will get 0.002 BTC. Easy? Easy.

0.001 BTC is going to the program owner (me).

Despite your "hard work" such sites are illegal in some countries (for example in Italy such pyramid) are really persecuted by law.
And therefore such site are really to stupid.
Where is the investment? Where is the profit?
You pay old investors with money from "new" investors.
What's a shame... because people spend a lot of time to imagine a ponzi/MLM/ PYRAMID and such scam sites....
But if they apply these resources in more pleasant way?!
I think you can get more and more   more than a negative trust obviously!

Non è vero, io ho lanciato schema Ponzi in Italia prendendo 5% da ogni deposito senza aver mai preso un centesimo di troppo fino al collasso naturale dello schema. L'avvocato mi disse che sono in regola poiché le leggi italiane sono troppo vecchie e quindi la legge poteva essere aggirata con uno schema Ponzi trasparente (usando BTC tra l'altro, mica valuta FIAT). Sta di fatto che l'evasione fiscale avviene quando si scambiano i BTC in valuta FIAT poiché non si possono dichiarare i BTC prima di tutto, e secondo perché fatto con uno schema Ponzi "gioco", che sebbene sia trasparente non è regolamentato dall'amministrazione del monopolio di stato.

[bitbollo]

Hello everybody!

I've made a bitcoin doubler site.
Link: http://www.bitpyramid.ml/

How it works?

The program is very simple - if you invest 0.001 BTC, and 3 other people invest 0.001 BTC too - you will get 0.002 BTC. Easy? Easy.

0.001 BTC is going to the program owner (me).

Despite your "hard work" such sites are illegal in some countries (for example in Italy such pyramid) are really persecuted by law.
And therefore such site are really to stupid.
Where is the investment? Where is the profit?
You pay old investors with money from "new" investors.
What's a shame... because people spend a lot of time to imagine a ponzi/MLM/ PYRAMID and such scam sites....
But if they apply these resources in more pleasant way?!
I think you can get more and more   more than a negative trust obviously!

Non è vero, io ho lanciato schema Ponzi in Italia prendendo 5% da ogni deposito senza aver mai preso un centesimo di troppo fino al collasso naturale dello schema. L'avvocato mi disse che sono in regola poiché le leggi italiane sono troppo vecchie e quindi la legge poteva essere aggirata con uno schema Ponzi trasparente (usando BTC tra l'altro, mica valuta FIAT). Sta di fatto che l'evasione fiscale avviene quando si scambiano i BTC in valuta FIAT poiché non si possono dichiarare i BTC prima di tutto, e secondo perché fatto con uno schema Ponzi "gioco", che sebbene sia trasparente non è regolamentato dall'amministrazione del monopolio di stato.

This is an international section please speak in English, nobody (a parte me) could understand you.

I think that this "avvocato" Lawyer make a big mistake or is a liar. Because in italy such scheme are not permitted (even if you runs with banana and not fiat) because there is any authorization (AAMS). Also you offer a "private investment" like a bank and I could you confirm at 101% that you could be actionable.
So lawyer say = they are legal BUT.... yes BUT!  there are a lot of problems and even why run a scam site? Spend time in activities more smart!

[supermoney]

Hello everybody!

I've made a bitcoin doubler site.
Link: http://www.bitpyramid.ml/

How it works?

The program is very simple - if you invest 0.001 BTC, and 3 other people invest 0.001 BTC too - you will get 0.002 BTC. Easy? Easy.

0.001 BTC is going to the program owner (me).

Despite your "hard work" such sites are illegal in some countries (for example in Italy such pyramid) are really persecuted by law.
And therefore such site are really to stupid.
Where is the investment? Where is the profit?
You pay old investors with money from "new" investors.
What's a shame... because people spend a lot of time to imagine a ponzi/MLM/ PYRAMID and such scam sites....
But if they apply these resources in more pleasant way?!
I think you can get more and more   more than a negative trust obviously!

Non è vero, io ho lanciato schema Ponzi in Italia prendendo 5% da ogni deposito senza aver mai preso un centesimo di troppo fino al collasso naturale dello schema. L'avvocato mi disse che sono in regola poiché le leggi italiane sono troppo vecchie e quindi la legge poteva essere aggirata con uno schema Ponzi trasparente (usando BTC tra l'altro, mica valuta FIAT). Sta di fatto che l'evasione fiscale avviene quando si scambiano i BTC in valuta FIAT poiché non si possono dichiarare i BTC prima di tutto, e secondo perché fatto con uno schema Ponzi "gioco", che sebbene sia trasparente non è regolamentato dall'amministrazione del monopolio di stato.

This is an international section please speak in English, nobody (a parte me) could understand you.

I think that this "avvocato" Lawyer make a big mistake or is a liar. Because in italy such scheme are not permitted (even if you runs with banana and not fiat) because there is any authorization (AAMS). Also you offer a "private investment" like a bank and I could you confirm at 101% that you could be actionable.
So lawyer say = they are legal BUT.... yes BUT!  there are a lot of problems and even why run a scam site? Spend time in activities more smart!

The lawyer is Eugenio Durando one of the greatest in Italy, just Google him. However, we discussed for many hour with the criminalist team and they ended up in conclusion claiming that here in Italy laws regarding the Ponzi scheme are not updated for such kind of "games", because as long as you take a fee from each deposit and pay your users with their own money by stating the facts, then it's considered as gambling.
Just give a look at my Ponzi game "TheGrandBitcoin" in Italian's gambling sub-forum, you may also try to discuss with a documented italian lawyer since you live in the same country.

[cryptodevil]

The lawyer is Eugenio Durando one of the greatest in Italy, just Google him. However, we discussed for many hour with the criminalist team and they ended up in conclusion claiming that here in Italy laws regarding the Ponzi scheme are not updated for such kind of "games", because as long as you take a fee from each deposit and pay your users with their own money by stating the facts, then it's considered as gambling.
Just give a look at my Ponzi game "TheGrandBitcoin" in Italian's gambling sub-forum, you may also try to discuss with a documented italian lawyer since you live in the same country.

What a load of utter bollocks. You discussed for 'many hours with the criminalist team'? Did you? Hahhahahaaaaaa. Sure you did.

So you have an Italian gambling license for your illegal ponzi scheme 'game' do you?

https://www.gambling.com/country-overviews/italy

Italy’s online gambling laws were also targeted by the EU investigation, as Italian citizens had previously been barred by the state from accessing foreign online operators. The government eventually backed down and decided to amend its online gambling laws in 2009. By 2010, these changes resulted in foreign gambling sites being allowed to offer their services in Italy, provided that they could successfully obtain an Italian gambling licence from the AAMS (Amministrazione Autonoma dei Monopoli di Stado – Autonomous Administration of the State Monopolies).

There are a number of requirements that need to be met by companies applying for such a licence. For example, the operator must have a minimum turnover of €1.5m in Europe over the past two years, it must be based in an EU country, and its software must be stable and secure. In addition, the company is required to pay a mandatory €350,000 fee to support the AAMS in regulating the market.

[bitbollo]

Hello everybody!

I've made a bitcoin doubler site.
Link: http://www.bitpyramid.ml/

How it works?

The program is very simple - if you invest 0.001 BTC, and 3 other people invest 0.001 BTC too - you will get 0.002 BTC. Easy? Easy.

0.001 BTC is going to the program owner (me).

Despite your "hard work" such sites are illegal in some countries (for example in Italy such pyramid) are really persecuted by law.
And therefore such site are really to stupid.
Where is the investment? Where is the profit?
You pay old investors with money from "new" investors.
What's a shame... because people spend a lot of time to imagine a ponzi/MLM/ PYRAMID and such scam sites....
But if they apply these resources in more pleasant way?!
I think you can get more and more   more than a negative trust obviously!

Non è vero, io ho lanciato schema Ponzi in Italia prendendo 5% da ogni deposito senza aver mai preso un centesimo di troppo fino al collasso naturale dello schema. L'avvocato mi disse che sono in regola poiché le leggi italiane sono troppo vecchie e quindi la legge poteva essere aggirata con uno schema Ponzi trasparente (usando BTC tra l'altro, mica valuta FIAT). Sta di fatto che l'evasione fiscale avviene quando si scambiano i BTC in valuta FIAT poiché non si possono dichiarare i BTC prima di tutto, e secondo perché fatto con uno schema Ponzi "gioco", che sebbene sia trasparente non è regolamentato dall'amministrazione del monopolio di stato.

This is an international section please speak in English, nobody (a parte me) could understand you.

I think that this "avvocato" Lawyer make a big mistake or is a liar. Because in italy such scheme are not permitted (even if you runs with banana and not fiat) because there is any authorization (AAMS). Also you offer a "private investment" like a bank and I could you confirm at 101% that you could be actionable.
So lawyer say = they are legal BUT.... yes BUT!  there are a lot of problems and even why run a scam site? Spend time in activities more smart!

The lawyer is Eugenio Durando one of the greatest in Italy, just Google him. However, we discussed for many hour with the criminalist team and they ended up in conclusion claiming that here in Italy laws regarding the Ponzi scheme are not updated for such kind of "games", because as long as you take a fee from each deposit and pay your users with their own money by stating the facts, then it's considered as gambling.
Just give a look at my Ponzi game "TheGrandBitcoin" in Italian's gambling sub-forum, you may also try to discuss with a documented italian lawyer since you live in the same country.

I follow internet from a lot of years and I can assure that other people get jailed or get problem when they run HYIP in Italy.
Well btc could be a "new" way for make such scam, but even it's a fraud. I am not a lawyer but I can assure you that in Italy you can risk so much (for a couple of penny) (per quattro spiccetti te lo dico in italiano così per chiarire).

[supermoney]

Hello everybody!

I've made a bitcoin doubler site.
Link: http://www.bitpyramid.ml/

How it works?

The program is very simple - if you invest 0.001 BTC, and 3 other people invest 0.001 BTC too - you will get 0.002 BTC. Easy? Easy.

0.001 BTC is going to the program owner (me).

Despite your "hard work" such sites are illegal in some countries (for example in Italy such pyramid) are really persecuted by law.
And therefore such site are really to stupid.
Where is the investment? Where is the profit?
You pay old investors with money from "new" investors.
What's a shame... because people spend a lot of time to imagine a ponzi/MLM/ PYRAMID and such scam sites....
But if they apply these resources in more pleasant way?!
I think you can get more and more  more than a negative trust obviously!

Non è vero, io ho lanciato schema Ponzi in Italia prendendo 5% da ogni deposito senza aver mai preso un centesimo di troppo fino al collasso naturale dello schema. L'avvocato mi disse che sono in regola poiché le leggi italiane sono troppo vecchie e quindi la legge poteva essere aggirata con uno schema Ponzi trasparente (usando BTC tra l'altro, mica valuta FIAT). Sta di fatto che l'evasione fiscale avviene quando si scambiano i BTC in valuta FIAT poiché non si possono dichiarare i BTC prima di tutto, e secondo perché fatto con uno schema Ponzi "gioco", che sebbene sia trasparente non è regolamentato dall'amministrazione del monopolio di stato.

This is an international section please speak in English, nobody (a parte me) could understand you.

I think that this "avvocato" Lawyer make a big mistake or is a liar. Because in italy such scheme are not permitted (even if you runs with banana and not fiat) because there is any authorization (AAMS). Also you offer a "private investment" like a bank and I could you confirm at 101% that you could be actionable.
So lawyer say = they are legal BUT.... yes BUT!  there are a lot of problems and even why run a scam site? Spend time in activities more smart!

The lawyer is Eugenio Durando one of the greatest in Italy, just Google him. However, we discussed for many hour with the criminalist team and they ended up in conclusion claiming that here in Italy laws regarding the Ponzi scheme are not updated for such kind of "games", because as long as you take a fee from each deposit and pay your users with their own money by stating the facts, then it's considered as gambling.
Just give a look at my Ponzi game "TheGrandBitcoin" in Italian's gambling sub-forum, you may also try to discuss with a documented italian lawyer since you live in the same country.

I follow internet from a lot of years and I can assure that other people get jailed or get problem when they run HYIP in Italy.
Well btc could be a "new" way for make such scam, but even it's a fraud. I am not a lawyer but I can assure you that in Italy you can risk so much (for a couple of penny) (per quattro spiccetti te lo dico in italiano così per chiarire).

That's valid for almost all countries over the world, we know that. But now, we are not talking about genuine HYIPs, we have been talking about those new hybrid "Ponzi games" which work far way different since they are transparent and the Ponzi scheme is not masked because stated on main page (most of the times).
According to my lawyer and criminalist group is not legal because it would be required to pay fees to AAMS, but still a LEGIT way to make money by offering a pseudo gambling service.
I follow the internet for already 12 years and I've been in the HYIP industry for quite long time (almost since 2010) so I basically know what I'm talking about. Moreover, as I've lately said, I had long discussions with my lawyer who got documented enough.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

PS: sono ancora quì sano e salvo, ci sarà una valida ragione no? Non sparo cazzate  

[bitbollo]

@supermoney
Did you get any process (processo)? or any denunciation (denunzia?)
Because as you know in Italy not all thief got in jail and you know what I am talking about.
So with a good lawyer you can demonstrate this.... but penal action is no automatic.... so for sure you are here, but this doesn't mean it's legal!

And I can confirm that in Italy people couldn't offer such private investments, you are lying!
Yes probably you have do it , and you don't get jailed, but it's not a "statement"...

in Italy not all thief got in jail

!!!!

[supermoney]

@supermoney
Did you get any process (processo)? or any denunciation (denunzia?)
Because as you know in Italy not all thief got in jail and you know what I am talking about.
So with a good lawyer you can demonstrate this.... but penal action is no automatic.... so for sure you are here, but this doesn't mean it's legal!

And I can confirm that in Italy people couldn't offer such private investments, you are lying!
Yes probably you have do it , and you don't get jailed, but it's not a "statement"...

in Italy not all thief got in jail

!!!!

Nobody could sue me even though they knew my identity because it was legit and I never scammed a cent, just took out of the system my 5% from all deposits as stated in the rules. As long as you state the rules and don't scam anyone you are good to go. My lawyer said to take a “postal print” (from Poste italiane) with original first rules and time stamp posted at inforge.net so that nobody could sue me for fraud.
No process so, and don't treat me as a thief because you might say the same for those gambling sites who could reach a great capital thank to user's losses, so they actually pay users out with their own money (from the beginning), I hope you follow my logic.
It's the same thing but just not legally recognized as gambling, but it is... That's all.
Italy don't even recognize the Bitcoin as a digital currency, they only consider the main laws imposed by Europe regarding the crypto currencies.

Per l'Italia non sono nemmeno un evasore fiscale poiché spendo direttamente i BTC per servizi e beni. È semplicemente questione di raggirare le leggi a proprio vantaggio