Luke-Jr
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February 15, 2013, 12:54:12 PM |
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I have received a refund on Feb 13th of BTC 138. I initially invested BTC 372,2799.
So I guess Tom's still a scammer, but at least he has a lot more money now after all the refunds are done...
Prices were in USD, not BTC. How much did you send/receive in USD? Sounding to me like Tom isn't a scammer, at least in your case (and probably everyone else eventually). |
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miter_myles
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February 15, 2013, 01:00:47 PM |
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Wrong - Tommy is still a scammer... like I've posted in other threads.. even if/when all BTC is still refunded he owns the scammer crown whether officially given by this forum (whom has his back a lot)... or not.
The whole CAN-ELEC fraud/drama takes this to another level as well..
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tnkflx (OP)
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February 15, 2013, 01:06:54 PM |
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I have received a refund on Feb 13th of BTC 138. I initially invested BTC 372,2799.
So I guess Tom's still a scammer, but at least he has a lot more money now after all the refunds are done...
Prices were in USD, not BTC. How much did you send/receive in USD? Sounding to me like Tom isn't a scammer, at least in your case (and probably everyone else eventually). The reason I still consider Tom a scammer is because of no communication, the lies, the deceit, drunken rants, 'hacked' accounts, the can-electric saga, etc... I don't think he had an ASIC design at all otherwise he would've accepted the help from others. And he (probably) made a lot of money because of the price difference (but this wouldn't be a problem if he had done everything right... Yeah, this last point is debatable  ). |
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February 15, 2013, 01:23:40 PM |
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I have received a refund on Feb 13th of BTC 138. I initially invested BTC 372,2799.
So I guess Tom's still a scammer, but at least he has a lot more money now after all the refunds are done...
Prices were in USD, not BTC. How much did you send/receive in USD? Sounding to me like Tom isn't a scammer, at least in your case (and probably everyone else eventually). The reason I still consider Tom a scammer is because of no communication, the lies, the deceit, drunken rants, 'hacked' accounts, the can-electric saga, etc... I don't think he had an ASIC design at all otherwise he would've accepted the help from others. And he (probably) made a lot of money because of the price difference (but this wouldn't be a problem if he had done everything right... Yeah, this last point is debatable ). +1 winner winner chicken dinner |
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iambaboon
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February 16, 2013, 12:38:05 PM |
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Lies and misinformation were presented to Dave as well, at least from public information. We don't know the whole story, that's for sure. But I agree that was the problem from the start (or the second part) of the project. I remember counting for a shipment in December and received a mail :
"Your order has been updated to the following status:
Ready To Ship"
I was really glad, only to see this was going to happen only after "your bASIC has been assembled and released from test." Only to find out it didn't get to the assembly line, while Dave was stating in the forums something that he'd seen one hashing already... Too much contradiction, I wish I had the presence to get out then and there. I accepted the risk, now we must deal with it, and get the money with some effort.
About the BTC price going up
tnksflx, if Bitcoin was going down to $5, I'm sure you wouldn't like your 300 bitcoins back, this is not an issue. If somebody bet on BTC price going up, good for him. If it was Tom, even better, we might get our $ back. I agree this is not an issue.
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Bitinvestor
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February 16, 2013, 01:27:37 PM |
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Dave was stating in the forums something that he'd seen one hashing already.
Really?! I must have missed that. Otherwise I pretty much agree with you. |
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February 16, 2013, 06:24:14 PM |
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Dave was stating in the forums something that he'd seen one hashing already.
Really?! I must have missed that. Otherwise I pretty much agree with you. Easy to miss stuff that gets constantly deleted. Conveniently enough, Something Awful has a good collection of Tom's posts that somehow disappeared. Meanwhile I was proven right but the same shills are still here repeating that "I'm unprofessional".
Well, to their credit, you are a horrible troll. +1 Maybe if you weren't such an.... asshole, maybe people would listen to you? That's okay, I'd much rather all the idiots make a point of not listening to me. As time goes by that will make them both poor and frustrated, which I'll greatly enjoy. It's not an aesthetic choice of whether to like me or not like me. It's an economic choice of whether to submit and live or play the smartass and go the way of the Kludge. Each his own fate, it has absolutely zero bearing on me. Take Fjordbit for an excellent example of that thesis: he's the sort of imbecile advising desperate people to "invest". Fortunately for him he's not taken seriously. Illustratively of his mental limitations, he still thinks he's in a position to judge his superiors. Daily life in Dumblandia. |
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MrTeal
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February 16, 2013, 10:32:54 PM |
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Seen the unit hashing and having seen the stats for it hashing are two different things.
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dmcurser
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February 17, 2013, 03:43:18 AM |
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Where is dave on all this? Last we heard from him he was talking to one of the cc compnanys or somthing what came of that anything?
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February 17, 2013, 04:12:48 AM |
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Seen the unit hashing and having seen the stats for it hashing are two different things.
Yeah, when caught lying that's Inaba's line too, he didn't exactly spell out the obvious implication that everyone read. He just didn't impede them from it, totally legit. |
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MrTeal
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February 17, 2013, 05:22:22 AM |
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Seen the unit hashing and having seen the stats for it hashing are two different things.
Yeah, when caught lying that's Inaba's line too, he didn't exactly spell out the obvious implication that everyone read. He just didn't impede them from it, totally legit. Actually no, he was pretty clear that he hadn't seen it. You just had to ask. |
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iambaboon
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February 17, 2013, 01:19:02 PM |
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Seen the unit hashing and having seen the stats for it hashing are two different things.
True, though they still mean some prototype was working, which was not the case. Somebody lied, could be that Dave just passed it forward, we'll probably know more about it. |
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February 17, 2013, 04:34:44 PM |
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Seen the unit hashing and having seen the stats for it hashing are two different things.
Yeah, when caught lying that's Inaba's line too, he didn't exactly spell out the obvious implication that everyone read. He just didn't impede them from it, totally legit. Actually no, he was pretty clear that he hadn't seen it. You just had to ask. Here's what he actually said: "as I've already posted, there are chips hashing away in the engineering lab - I can see the stats for it." He stated as FACT that there were chips hashing away. He didn't say "Tom tells me there's chips hashing away" or "I can see some stats which I guess are chips hashing away". His statement also says that the stats he could see were for chips hashing away - not that he guessed that they were for chips hashing away. His statement unambiguously claims as fact that chips were hashing away - a statement he could only truthfully make if he had actual knowledge that was the case. At best he was passing on second-hand information as though it were first-hand - which is misleading and deceptive (even if not intentionally so). |
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MrTeal
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February 17, 2013, 06:10:03 PM |
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Seen the unit hashing and having seen the stats for it hashing are two different things.
Yeah, when caught lying that's Inaba's line too, he didn't exactly spell out the obvious implication that everyone read. He just didn't impede them from it, totally legit. Actually no, he was pretty clear that he hadn't seen it. You just had to ask. Here's what he actually said: "as I've already posted, there are chips hashing away in the engineering lab - I can see the stats for it." He stated as FACT that there were chips hashing away. He didn't say "Tom tells me there's chips hashing away" or "I can see some stats which I guess are chips hashing away". His statement also says that the stats he could see were for chips hashing away - not that he guessed that they were for chips hashing away. His statement unambiguously claims as fact that chips were hashing away - a statement he could only truthfully make if he had actual knowledge that was the case. At best he was passing on second-hand information as though it were first-hand - which is misleading and deceptive (even if not intentionally so). Oh please. He probably should have said that he didn't see the chips in person, but the fact he said I've seen the stats for it as opposed to I've seen it should have been a clue, along with the fact that he's never met Tom face to face. As for the bolded part, people make statements like that about things they don't have first-hand knowledge of all the time. Your point is ridiculous; if a client asks you how many unit of product XYZ you have in stock and they check the inventory system and confirm the number with the warehouse manager, are you deceptive and misleading if you say "We have 37 units in stock" even though you haven't seen it with your own eyes? |
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February 17, 2013, 06:25:52 PM |
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As for the bolded part, people make statements like that about things they don't have first-hand knowledge of all the time. Your point is ridiculous; if a client asks you how many unit of product XYZ you have in stock and they check the inventory system and confirm the number with the warehouse manager, are you deceptive and misleading if you say "We have 37 units in stock" even though you haven't seen it with your own eyes?
If Dave wants to explain what stats it is he saw that convinced him they had ASICs hashing away then he can. That would be far more credible than having apologists make excuses and weak arguments on his behalf. |
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MrTeal
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February 17, 2013, 06:32:55 PM |
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As for the bolded part, people make statements like that about things they don't have first-hand knowledge of all the time. Your point is ridiculous; if a client asks you how many unit of product XYZ you have in stock and they check the inventory system and confirm the number with the warehouse manager, are you deceptive and misleading if you say "We have 37 units in stock" even though you haven't seen it with your own eyes?
If Dave wants to explain what stats it is he saw that convinced him they had ASICs hashing away then he can. That would be far more credible than having apologists make excuses and weak arguments on his behalf. Agreed, and I would love to see a more detailed explanation of this entire situation from his perspective. I wouldn't count on it given that he might be investigated as well of Tom does get charged with fraud, but it would be nice if he could. |
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February 20, 2013, 05:41:43 PM |
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February 21, 2013, 01:10:20 AM |
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I have received a refund on Feb 13th of BTC 138. I initially invested BTC 372,2799.
So I guess Tom's still a scammer, but at least he has a lot more money now after all the refunds are done...
Prices were in USD, not BTC. How much did you send/receive in USD? Sounding to me like Tom isn't a scammer, at least in your case (and probably everyone else eventually). The reason I still consider Tom a scammer is because of no communication, the lies, the deceit, drunken rants, 'hacked' accounts, the can-electric saga, etc... I don't think he had an ASIC design at all otherwise he would've accepted the help from others. And he (probably) made a lot of money because of the price difference (but this wouldn't be a problem if he had done everything right... Yeah, this last point is debatable ). +1 winner winner chicken dinner Pretend to change BTC to USD then pocket the difference in the exchange rate. |
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