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October 02, 2017, 11:36:20 PM
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Can we ralete the price and money supply of BTC to the political movement of US with other countries?

Not that really, maybe yes or maybe know. Look on what recently happened to China, they banned ICOs and closed exchanges and it's obvious the effect of it. The price was affected and we have seen on how fast the price of bitcoin stumbled with a follow of Dimon's statement about bitcoin fraud. But now, it's a good thing that we are now pumping up.

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October 03, 2017, 02:04:40 AM
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You guys can't really believe it works like this, can you? Deflation over 2 years vs. inflation over 100 years is not even close to a fair comparison, to start. Secondly, deflation of this scale discourages an active economy (as we've already seen with BTC) and makes it worse, especially with a limited currency like BTC. People sit on their BTC and don't spend it because it's an investment. Third, cost of goods/services and salaries are (though sometimes poorly) adjusted for inflation. If you got paid $10/hr in 1929 you were doing really, really well. If you get paid $10 in 2017 you can barely make ends meet. Finally, you can't honestly believe that deflation will continue at the rate it has been with BTC forever.

This, exactly. If people just sit on it, you're creating a stagnating economy with that currency. I just wish we had a better solution than the current tx fees.
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October 03, 2017, 04:32:22 AM
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yes inflation and deflation of price and money supply is just always to happen every now and then..traders,investors are getting some ways to do to let there market still be on the top Smiley Wink Kiss
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October 04, 2017, 10:36:48 AM
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Inflation is caused when goods and services are in high demand, creating a drop in availability while Inflation  occurs when too many goods are available or when there is not enough money circulating to purchase those goods,money supply includes safe assets, such as cash, coins, and balances held in checking and savings accounts that businesses and individuals can use to make payments or hold as short-term investments.
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October 04, 2017, 12:46:41 PM
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yes inflation and deflation of price and money supply is just always to happen every now and then..traders,investors are getting some ways to do to let there market still be on the top Smiley Wink Kiss

Yes deflation and inflation will always happen in a economy where business is fluid there are lot of activities done by traders, investors and even they will create a scenario that make their business on top and all of these will only follow the natural law of economy which is the law of supply and demand.

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October 06, 2017, 06:41:19 PM
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Let us keep it as understandable as possible. Inflation is the increase in value of your money in the future while deflation is the decrease in value of your money in the future. That is it. Say for example in inflation, if you have $1 now, you can buy 10 sodas. But immediately two years after, if you have $1, you can only buy 5 sodas with it. In deflation, if you have $1 now, you can buy 10 sodas. But immediately two years after, if you have $1, you can buy 20 sodas with it. Simply put, the value of your money today and in the coming years depends on how well the economy worldwide is doing.
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October 11, 2017, 10:39:49 AM
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Let us keep it as understandable as possible. Inflation is the increase in value of your money in the future while deflation is the decrease in value of your money in the future. That is it. Say for example in inflation, if you have $1 now, you can buy 10 sodas. But immediately two years after, if you have $1, you can only buy 5 sodas with it. In deflation, if you have $1 now, you can buy 10 sodas. But immediately two years after, if you have $1, you can buy 20 sodas with it. Simply put, the value of your money today and in the coming years depends on how well the economy worldwide is doing.
a very simple explanation, but easy to understand. thank you sir already share knowledge about inflation and deflation. because before, I only know that inflation is the value of a rising currency only, but not yet fully understand his description in detail.
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October 13, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
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Let us keep it as understandable as possible. Inflation is the increase in value of your money in the future while deflation is the decrease in value of your money in the future. That is it. Say for example in inflation, if you have $1 now, you can buy 10 sodas. But immediately two years after, if you have $1, you can only buy 5 sodas with it. In deflation, if you have $1 now, you can buy 10 sodas. But immediately two years after, if you have $1, you can buy 20 sodas with it. Simply put, the value of your money today and in the coming years depends on how well the economy worldwide is doing.

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October 14, 2017, 08:19:25 PM
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1) Increase in money supply >>>  2) Higher demand for goods and services >>> 3) Higher demand = price level increase in short term >>> 4) Price increase = Inflation

Good summary. Essentially, any currency is only worth as much as you can get for it.

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October 14, 2017, 10:36:03 PM
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1) Increase in money supply >>>  2) Higher demand for goods and services >>> 3) Higher demand = price level increase in short term >>> 4) Price increase = Inflation

Inflation  - by definition is related to increase in price and reduction in purchasing power
Deflation - by definition is related to decrease in price movement and increase in purchasing power

Factors

Money supply
Demand
Purchasing Power
Price

USD

money supply - increasing
demand - high
purchasing power  - reducing
price - increasing

Conclusion: USD is inflationary at current levels


Bitcoin

money supply - decreasing & limited supply
demand - high
purchasing power - increasing
price - decreasing

Conclusion: Bitcoin is deflationary at current levels

Why is price decreasing? Because 1 bitcoin today can buy more USD than it could 1 year ago. Don't convert BTC - USD to perform inflationary/deflationary evaluation, use its purchasing power and unit value.
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October 15, 2017, 11:21:31 AM
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Is inflatory coin like Bitcoin better than for example NEM that has no inflation of coins?
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October 16, 2017, 12:08:36 PM
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Let us keep it as understandable as possible. Inflation is the increase in value of your money in the future while deflation is the decrease in value of your money in the future. That is it. Say for example in inflation, if you have $1 now, you can buy 10 sodas. But immediately two years after, if you have $1, you can only buy 5 sodas with it. In deflation, if you have $1 now, you can buy 10 sodas. But immediately two years after, if you have $1, you can buy 20 sodas with it. Simply put, the value of your money today and in the coming years depends on how well the economy worldwide is doing.
In the world of trading there are a lot of code words  just like inflammation and deflation are also used. Inflammation in trading means that the rate of your money is increased in the future for example you have 1usd dollar and you can buy 5 pencil now and after some time you can bought 7 pencil then it is called inflammation while deflation mean decrease the value of money in future.
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October 16, 2017, 02:20:58 PM
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the price inflation and deflation depends on peoples holding it in their wallets i mean not the fishes in the sea am talking about the big whales of bitcoin, and stays increasing by time that's the algorithm of bitcoin, but sometimes we see a small decreasing that because of the demand and such, anyway we can't predict bitcoin scam but make sure that bitcoin never goes down down.
Deflamation and inflammation are the key words used for to increase and decrease. For example deflamation mean that you have 100$ in your wallet and after some time the value of $ down then automatically the price in your wallet is decreased that is called deflamation.
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October 16, 2017, 03:21:31 PM
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I would expect a government controlled digital currency to remove "finality." The government will always want to be the final decision-maker on what transactions, between whoever, should be rescinded or reversed, both for the sake of laws it creates (good and bad) and for the sake of payments it doesn't want to make. That's what we already have. Just because it's digital doesn't mean it's better.
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October 16, 2017, 06:44:57 PM
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I would expect a government controlled digital currency to remove "finality." The government will always want to be the final decision-maker on what transactions, between whoever, should be rescinded or reversed, both for the sake of laws it creates (good and bad) and for the sake of payments it doesn't want to make. That's what we already have. Just because it's digital doesn't mean it's better.

They have that in cash now though. It's infinite even though still subject to inflation and deflation. They aren't the final decision makers in Bitcoin. Bitcoin is  decentralized. Yes you have countries making it illegal and trying to tax it. But it would take too much coverage all over the world for any government to be the decision maker within the crypto world.
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October 18, 2017, 06:12:05 AM
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There are definitely different type of smarts. I know a lot of people that are engineers, but they are still too stupid to see why bitcoin is important and why you must invest a considerable amount of your portfolio into it and hold it long term. They are intelligent, but not really smart.

Meanwhile I only got basic education but im smart enough to know that I must spend 24/7 making more BTC and storing it long term to get richer than all of my industrial engineers combined. In the long term I will laugh at everyone hating on me.
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October 18, 2017, 07:46:53 PM
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There are definitely different type of smarts. I know a lot of people that are engineers, but they are still too stupid to see why bitcoin is important and why you must invest a considerable amount of your portfolio into it and hold it long term. They are intelligent, but not really smart.

Meanwhile I only got basic education but im smart enough to know that I must spend 24/7 making more BTC and storing it long term to get richer than all of my industrial engineers combined. In the long term I will laugh at everyone hating on me.

Could be, but I know that there's lots of engineers among the large bitcoin holders because they joined the game way before anybody else.
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October 19, 2017, 05:25:45 AM
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the price inflation and deflation depends on peoples holding it in their wallets i mean not the fishes in the sea am talking about the big whales of bitcoin, and stays increasing by time that's the algorithm of bitcoin, but sometimes we see a small decreasing that because of the demand and such, anyway we can't predict bitcoin scam but make sure that bitcoin never goes down down.
Inflammation and deflamation these are two both opposite things in the sense. For example if you have money in your wallet like 10BTC and the price of bitcoin increased after some times then the money in your pockets is increased it is called inflammation while the opposite of this process is called deflamation
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October 20, 2017, 08:06:12 AM
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the price inflation and deflation depends on peoples holding it in their wallets i mean not the fishes in the sea am talking about the big whales of bitcoin, and stays increasing by time that's the algorithm of bitcoin, but sometimes we see a small decreasing that because of the demand and such, anyway we can't predict bitcoin scam but make sure that bitcoin never goes down down.
Yes, this concept of bitcoin inflation and deflation are only considered by big investment of bitcoin and does not affect the small scaled users ads the don't get any change in there payments. some people who are in the business of holding bitcoin also will face a great crises from the inflation and deflation of bitcoin but mostly it is on small scale now a days because bitcoin has become more stable now. but still no one can predict bitcoins increasing and decreasing price and when there will be inflation or deflation.
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October 21, 2017, 06:41:50 AM
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It's a percentage. It could be calculated and plotted in discrete yearly steps, but this chart shows the instantaneous (i.e., continuous) rate of inflation. "Annualized" just means that the rates are expressed at each point on the curve as though that rate of inflation were constant for a whole year and the money supply at the end of that year were compared to that at the beginning of the year. Inflation is usually expressed as an annualized rate. When you hear that the Federal Reserve is targeting an inflation rate of 2%, that's an annualized rate.
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