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March 29, 2016, 07:05:01 PM |
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We already have a wall with Mexico... They bore holes through, under and over the wall every day...
The problem with building a wall is defending the wall...
Unless you use armed guards and shoot anyone who crosses, it is only a bluff...
The question is, should we turn into nazi Germany by shooting anyone who tries crossing the wall?
What wall? The Mexico–United States barrier is a series of walls and fences along the Mexico–United States border, strategically placed to inhibit the flow of illegal border crossings into the Southwestern United States. The walled sections are interspersed with a ‘virtual fence’ of sensors and cameras...
As of January 2010, the fence project has been completed from San Diego, California to Yuma, Arizona. From there it continues into Texas and consists of a fence that is 21 feet (6.4 m) tall and 6 feet (1.8 m) deep in the ground, cemented in a 3-foot (0.91 m)-wide trench with 5000 psi (UK/Ireland:345 bar; 352 kg/cm²) concrete...  Some sections of this existing wall are better than others. Your picture proves nothing. |
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March 29, 2016, 07:21:02 PM |
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Some sections of this existing wall are better than others. Your picture proves nothing.
I was responding to a question of "what wall?" It proves there is a wall, and if you read the Wikipedia quote, you would know that as of January 2010 (6 years ago), it is complete What are the specs of Trump's wall? Is it taller than 21 feet? More than 6 feet deep in the ground? Is it cemented in a 3-foot-wide trench with 5000 psi concrete? How is Trump's wall better than the existing wall? |
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March 30, 2016, 12:35:59 AM |
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Some sections of this existing wall are better than others. Your picture proves nothing.
I was responding to a question of "what wall?" It proves there is a wall, and if you read the Wikipedia quote, you would know that as of January 2010 (6 years ago), it is complete
What are the specs of Trump's wall? Is it taller than 21 feet? More than 6 feet deep in the ground? Is it cemented in a 3-foot-wide trench with 5000 psi concrete? How is Trump's wall better than the existing wall? No it was not. Go back and do some more study. |
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March 30, 2016, 10:21:39 PM |
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We already have a wall with Mexico... They bore holes through, under and over the wall every day...
The problem with building a wall is defending the wall...
Unless you use armed guards and shoot anyone who crosses, it is only a bluff...
The question is, should we turn into nazi Germany by shooting anyone who tries crossing the wall?
What wall? I was asking what nazi wall? I'm better sure Nazi Germany didn't build a wall. |
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March 30, 2016, 11:01:43 PM |
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As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?
On one side there is the actual price to build the wall, and on the other side there is the price the American taxpayers will have pay. This is a capitalist country, right? So you can't expect the builder not to make some profit. The laughable part is that some Trump supporters are expecting Mexico to pay the bill! |
I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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March 30, 2016, 11:08:08 PM |
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We already have a wall with Mexico... They bore holes through, under and over the wall every day...
The problem with building a wall is defending the wall...
Unless you use armed guards and shoot anyone who crosses, it is only a bluff...
The question is, should we turn into nazi Germany by shooting anyone who tries crossing the wall?
What wall? The Nazis didn't build a wall, is what i meant. |
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March 30, 2016, 11:17:29 PM |
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A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.
Certainly it can. It's wrong what you say. But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed. Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall... |
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March 30, 2016, 11:23:41 PM |
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Thanks for this comment. I think there is nothing more to say. You belong to the kind of people believing it's right to kill others because they want to take parts of the tremendeous amount of goods and food you have in order to survive.
Funny though. Between a Syrian woman who ran a war country, traveled whole Europe bare foot, managed to reach your borders risking her life with a last both expansive and dangerous travel accross sea, and you who only born here, who deserves the most the nationality?
the definition of nationality is the status of belonging to a particular nation so obviously the syrian qualifies for nationality in syria and i qualify for nationality here. the clue is in the name. there is no country on earth in which you or i would qualify for citizenship simply on the basis that we have traveled a long way through difficult conditions to get there. the rule for every would-be immigrant in every non white country on earth is that you have to go through a legal process and prove you can support yourself financially before getting anywhere. and in almost every case you wont qualify for welfare until you've paid into their system for a few years. but when white people attempt to apply these very reasonable standards to third world muslims it all of a sudden becomes racist and cruel. And it seems like you compare our modern society to Middle Age. Wanna go back to this time? Did it even crossed your mind that the main difference between today and middle age is that we interfere in all their actions and use them as garbages? Hence that it's rather normal to see them turning at us once they got no other hope? What would be your solution? Close the borders and shoot at anyone?
yes we should shoot invaders instead of letting ourselves by overrun by them and allowing our civilisation to descend into third world anarchy. it works for israel as i have already shown you. following their no nonsense approach we'd shoot literally a handful and the rest get the message to stop coming. any that slip through are given a choice between detention and deportation. say what you want about the jews, they understand that third world savages bring the third world with them and they are having none of it in their country. I'm just glad to know people without any notion of empathy exist in the world. It's the proof that our evolution is still incomplete as empathy was the base of our evolution process. Seems to me that you have no notion of history, otherwise you would know that each and every empire collapsed after starting to close their borders and their culture calling themselves as "superioirs". Seems you also have absolutely have no notion of project management or you would understand that defending 14 000 km of borders is far more costly than integrating migrants. Seems you're a rather ignorant fool if you believe, even a moment, that Europe doesn't have the mean to welcome and integrate the correctly. But as always: "A banker, a man and a migrant are in a room with 20 cookies. The banker takes 19 cookies to the man and says "you'd better borrow me 5 or 6 cookies in order to get the immigrant out of here. He's stealing your cookie."" |
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March 30, 2016, 11:30:13 PM |
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A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.
Certainly it can. It's wrong what you say. But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed. Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall... Huh? Any of them that want can try the sea route. That has nothing to do with the wall. The wall would stop the desert routes where a lot of the illegal immigrants DIE. |
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March 30, 2016, 11:41:17 PM |
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A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.
Certainly it can. It's wrong what you say. But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed. Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall... Huh? Any of them that want can try the sea route. That has nothing to do with the wall. The wall would stop the desert routes where a lot of the illegal immigrants DIE. Oh, so your solution is "let's build a wall on a part of the borders"? And what will you do when they'll all go through the sea route? |
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March 30, 2016, 11:46:49 PM |
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A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.
Certainly it can. It's wrong what you say. But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed. Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall... Huh? Any of them that want can try the sea route. That has nothing to do with the wall. The wall would stop the desert routes where a lot of the illegal immigrants DIE. Oh, so your solution is "let's build a wall on a part of the borders"? And what will you do when they'll all go through the sea route?  There has been no discussion of sea routes by any presidential candidate. Do you even know the geography? The tides, the currents? Mexico is not Cuba... |
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March 30, 2016, 11:53:12 PM |
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A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.
Certainly it can. It's wrong what you say. But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed. Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall... Huh? Any of them that want can try the sea route. That has nothing to do with the wall. The wall would stop the desert routes where a lot of the illegal immigrants DIE. Oh, so your solution is "let's build a wall on a part of the borders"? And what will you do when they'll all go through the sea route? There has been no discussion of sea routes by any presidential candidate. Do you even know the geography? The tides, the currents? Mexico is not Cuba... Doesn't matter man... What I mean is that, you wanna build a wall? Very well. But they'll just start making a detour by sea that all! Where on Earth did you see that a fucking wall will be enough! If it was the case why did the Mexican immigration didn't stop, or at least decrease after the construction of the fortified border between Mexico and USA??? |
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March 30, 2016, 11:58:44 PM |
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A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.
Certainly it can. It's wrong what you say. But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed. Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall... Huh? Any of them that want can try the sea route. That has nothing to do with the wall. The wall would stop the desert routes where a lot of the illegal immigrants DIE. Oh, so your solution is "let's build a wall on a part of the borders"? And what will you do when they'll all go through the sea route? There has been no discussion of sea routes by any presidential candidate. Do you even know the geography? The tides, the currents? Mexico is not Cuba... Doesn't matter man... What I mean is that, you wanna build a wall? Very well. But they'll just start making a detour by sea that all! Where on Earth did you see that a fucking wall will be enough! If it was the case why did the Mexican immigration didn't stop, or at least decrease after the construction of the fortified border between Mexico and USA???  The WALL is still a good deal and will stop a lot of people |
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March 31, 2016, 12:17:42 AM |
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A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.
Certainly it can. It's wrong what you say. But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed. Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall... Huh? Any of them that want can try the sea route. That has nothing to do with the wall. The wall would stop the desert routes where a lot of the illegal immigrants DIE. Oh, so your solution is "let's build a wall on a part of the borders"? And what will you do when they'll all go through the sea route? There has been no discussion of sea routes by any presidential candidate. Do you even know the geography? The tides, the currents? Mexico is not Cuba... Doesn't matter man... What I mean is that, you wanna build a wall? Very well. But they'll just start making a detour by sea that all! Where on Earth did you see that a fucking wall will be enough! If it was the case why did the Mexican immigration didn't stop, or at least decrease after the construction of the fortified border between Mexico and USA??? The WALL is still a good deal and will stop a lot of people So please just explain to me why the current fortified border doesn't stop mexicans? |
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March 31, 2016, 12:27:25 AM |
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A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.
Certainly it can. It's wrong what you say. But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed. Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall... Huh? Any of them that want can try the sea route. That has nothing to do with the wall. The wall would stop the desert routes where a lot of the illegal immigrants DIE. Oh, so your solution is "let's build a wall on a part of the borders"? And what will you do when they'll all go through the sea route? There has been no discussion of sea routes by any presidential candidate. Do you even know the geography? The tides, the currents? Mexico is not Cuba... Doesn't matter man... What I mean is that, you wanna build a wall? Very well. But they'll just start making a detour by sea that all! Where on Earth did you see that a fucking wall will be enough! If it was the case why did the Mexican immigration didn't stop, or at least decrease after the construction of the fortified border between Mexico and USA??? The WALL is still a good deal and will stop a lot of people So please just explain to me why the current fortified border doesn't stop mexicans? You have to tell me first where it is fortified and I'll try to answer |
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March 31, 2016, 12:32:59 AM |
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A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.
Certainly it can. It's wrong what you say. But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed. Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall... Huh? Any of them that want can try the sea route. That has nothing to do with the wall. The wall would stop the desert routes where a lot of the illegal immigrants DIE. Oh, so your solution is "let's build a wall on a part of the borders"? And what will you do when they'll all go through the sea route? There has been no discussion of sea routes by any presidential candidate. Do you even know the geography? The tides, the currents? Mexico is not Cuba... Doesn't matter man... What I mean is that, you wanna build a wall? Very well. But they'll just start making a detour by sea that all! Where on Earth did you see that a fucking wall will be enough! If it was the case why did the Mexican immigration didn't stop, or at least decrease after the construction of the fortified border between Mexico and USA??? The WALL is still a good deal and will stop a lot of people So please just explain to me why the current fortified border doesn't stop mexicans? I have driven along the border and flown over it many, many times. There are many answers to your question. Some places the fence is just 10' chain link, other places it is rather formidable. Read into that "not worth your time to fuck with this piece of fence, hombre." Some places you look to the left and the right, and that "rather formidable fence" just comes to a stop a mile or two away... A section of desert road along the border. There's a Border Patrol car every couple miles. That's enough, it's very flat. There are mounds of rock every hundred or two hundred yards. Each person crossing adds a rock. But they die out there, these areas are badlands. No water. Other areas are infested with drug traffickers. Think in terms of you go in there, you die. Not sure that's an answer to your question... |
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March 31, 2016, 02:18:38 PM |
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March 31, 2016, 03:37:07 PM |
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March 31, 2016, 04:10:03 PM |
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Talking to Trump is like talking to the wall. If he does not know you that could be true... That's true for anybody.  |
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March 31, 2016, 04:34:41 PM |
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Talking to Trump is like talking to the wall. If he does not know you that could be true... That's true for anybody. You are too serious about a joke.  |
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