The Trump Wall

[Spendulus]

A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.

Certainly it can.

It's wrong what you say.

But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed.

[mtnsaa]

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

[Spendulus]

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

What makes you look like a clown is when paid Border Patrol agents are told not to enforce the law.

"New tech" was the scheme Bush Jr. pushed, the "smart wall."  That actually takes a lot of maintenance.

The solution is concrete and iron, with a dirt road that a four wheel drive can move on.  You need a station with a couple Border Patrol every five or ten miles.


Add some sensors that tell you if someone's tunnelling or jack hammering.

Done.  Next problema...

[Moloch]

Build a wall of gatling guns with motion sensors...

Or, better yet... build a moat... add sharks with laser beams!

[Spendulus]

Build a wall of gatling guns with motion sensors...

Or, better yet... build a moat... add sharks with laser beams!

Defeatism, Hopelessness, namby pamby attitudes are not smart, elite, progressive, correct, real, or needed.

What they are is stupid.

[Moloch]

Build a wall of gatling guns with motion sensors...

Or, better yet... build a moat... add sharks with laser beams!

Defeatism, Hopelessness, namby pamby attitudes are not smart, elite, progressive, correct, real, or needed.

What they are is stupid.

Can we skip the 3rd grade name-calling?

How about forget about the stupid wall and focus on the real problems with America?

America has 101 problems... and none of them have to do with illegal immigration

[aardvark15]

We know that Mexico will have to pay for the wall, but who's going to pay for the tunnels and ladders?

[Spendulus]

We know that Mexico will have to pay for the wall, but who's going to pay for the tunnels and ladders?

We could make a deal on that.  Maybe share the costs?

lol...

ladder companies might want in for the advertizing

[Daniel91]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Do you really seriously believe anything politicians say or promise?
For Trump this wall is just something to use in his political campaign, in order to show his voters that he cares and have concrete plan how to stop immigrants and prevent their illegal entries into the USA.
In fact, he don't care at all about immigrants and wall.
He is only concerned with how to win the elections and took the chair in the white house.
After that he will forget all his false promises and show his true face.
Who are the main workers in the Trump buildings?
Of course immigrants

[Spendulus]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Do you really seriously believe anything politicians say or promise?
For Trump this wall is just something to use in his political campaign, in order to show his voters that he cares and have concrete plan how to stop immigrants and prevent their illegal entries into the USA.
In fact, he don't care at all about immigrants and wall.
He is only concerned with how to win the elections and took the chair in the white house.
After that he will forget all his false promises and show his true face.
Who are the main workers in the Trump buildings?
Of course immigrants

LOL, pause and think a minute about what you are saying. 

Bolded section above - That's the very point, Trump is not a politician. 

Regarding "who are the main workers," so what? 

It'd be illegal Mexicans that BUILD the WALL.  Anything wrong with that?

I know it sounds crazy, but these are crazy times.

[Choctaw warrior]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Just the 11 million illegal immigrants cost the US tax payers between 40 million to 110 million dollars a year.

Each illegal immigrant, or any immigrant living in the United States is putting more strain, and wear/tear on the country's infrastructure. Meaning our water pipes, waste pipes, electric grid, bridges, roads, public transit, emergence services, hospitals, landfills, prisons, government assistance, communications, internet, social workers. and our natural resources will diminish rapidly.
 Here's another problem the illegal immigrants in  the United States causes. We have over 2 million prisoners in the United States, and if just one illegal immigrant takes a job from a prisoners that's to many. But of course millions of jobs that a ex prisoner would of been employed at is filled by illegal immigrants. What choices does the ex prisoner have but to go back to crime.
Also lets say a drought happens it's more water taken away from your family to the illegal immigrants needs.
Or a fast spreading sickness is killing people, but because the illegal immigrates your tax paying American family of 4 only will get 2 vaccines.
 Or a natural disaster and not all Americans can be saves because o the number of illegal immigrants taken too......etc  etc.
 Americans have paid for the service of government but the illegal immigrants that haven't paid years into the service gets treated.

[Wilikon]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Just the 11 million illegal immigrants cost the US tax payers between 40 million to 110 million dollars a year.

Each illegal immigrant, or any immigrant living in the United States is putting more strain, and wear/tear on the country's infrastructure. Meaning our water pipes, waste pipes, electric grid, bridges, roads, public transit, emergence services, hospitals, landfills, prisons, government assistance, communications, internet, social workers. and our natural resources will diminish rapidly.
 Here's another problem the illegal immigrants in  the United States causes. We have over 2 million prisoners in the United States, and if just one illegal immigrant takes a job from a prisoners that's to many. But of course millions of jobs that a ex prisoner would of been employed at is filled by illegal immigrants. What choices does the ex prisoner have but to go back to crime.
Also lets say a drought happens it's more water taken away from your family to the illegal immigrants needs.
Or a fast spreading sickness is killing people, but because the illegal immigrates your tax paying American family of 4 only will get 2 vaccines.
 Or a natural disaster and not all Americans can be saves because o the number of illegal immigrants taken too......etc  etc.
 Americans have paid for the service of government but the illegal immigrants that haven't paid years into the service gets treated.

We do not know the number of illegals. 11 millions was a very, very old estimation. More than 80 to 110 Billions for sure.

[Choctaw warrior]

The building of a wall would be a federal project so almost no chance of a illegal immigrant working on the wall project. Need the proper IDs.

[mtnsaa]

I think the inmigrant "problem" comes down to drug trafficking too. That's an US problem since it's the top consumer by miles. The crime is just a result of cartels trying to provide the product illegally. I really think governments worldwide need to start legalizing drugs, this is an old time issue and both sides have strong arguments.

As I'm from a third world country, my logic is a little different and may sound like a "liberal" to you. To me no US or European government will legalize drugs because their main production and harvest is in third world countries. Imagine if Colombia, Bolivia, Afghanistan and many other countries could export legally all the drugs they want, they will be instantly rich countries. That doesn't really pan out for first world economies...

[Choctaw warrior]

We already have a wall with Mexico... They bore holes through, under and over the wall every day...

The problem with building a wall is defending the wall...

Unless you use armed guards and shoot anyone who crosses, it is only a bluff...

The question is, should we turn into nazi Germany by shooting anyone who tries crossing the wall?

What wall?

[Choctaw warrior]

Mexico will pay for the wall. Because they owe America over 50 billion in trade.

[Spendulus]

The building of a wall would be a federal project so almost no chance of a illegal immigrant working on the wall project. Need the proper IDs.

I think that could be easily handled.  For example, work permits. 

[Daniel91]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Do you really seriously believe anything politicians say or promise?
For Trump this wall is just something to use in his political campaign, in order to show his voters that he cares and have concrete plan how to stop immigrants and prevent their illegal entries into the USA.
In fact, he don't care at all about immigrants and wall.
He is only concerned with how to win the elections and took the chair in the white house.
After that he will forget all his false promises and show his true face.
Who are the main workers in the Trump buildings?
Of course immigrants

LOL, pause and think a minute about what you are saying. 

Bolded section above - That's the very point, Trump is not a politician. 

Regarding "who are the main workers," so what? 

It'd be illegal Mexicans that BUILD the WALL.  Anything wrong with that?

I know it sounds crazy, but these are crazy times.

LOL
Trump is not politician but he is in political campaign for  Presidential election
So, he is political candidate or what?
So, it's ok to use illegal Mexicans to build Trump's building and even Wall, but in the same time accuse immigrants for everything bad in American economy and threat them with legal action?
It's double standard, if you ask me.
Trump is real politician, talking what people want to hear, not what he really thinks.
 

[Spendulus]

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So, it's ok to use illegal Mexicans to build Trump's building and even Wall, but in the same time accuse immigrants for everything bad in American economy and threat them with legal action?
It's double standard, if you ask me.

Huh?  Accuse them for everything bad?  Who is doing that?

May I suggest, go read the actual Trump plan on his website?

[Moloch]

We already have a wall with Mexico... They bore holes through, under and over the wall every day...

The problem with building a wall is defending the wall...

Unless you use armed guards and shoot anyone who crosses, it is only a bluff...

The question is, should we turn into nazi Germany by shooting anyone who tries crossing the wall?

What wall?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_barrier

The Mexico–United States barrier is a series of walls and fences along the Mexico–United States border, strategically placed to inhibit the flow of illegal border crossings into the Southwestern United States. The walled sections are interspersed with a ‘virtual fence’ of sensors and cameras...

As of January 2010, the fence project has been completed from San Diego, California to Yuma, Arizona. From there it continues into Texas and consists of a fence that is 21 feet (6.4 m) tall and 6 feet (1.8 m) deep in the ground, cemented in a 3-foot (0.91 m)-wide trench with 5000 psi (UK/Ireland:345 bar; 352 kg/cm²) concrete...