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As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Because he is the greatest builder. (https://youtu.be/I0tE6T-ecmg?t=1m13s)

Current RESEARCH?

this is a construction project and it's not that complicated.

Seven hundred miles, assuming 15B is $3750 PER FOOT....

We already have a wall with Mexico... They bore holes through, under and over the wall every day...

The problem with building a wall is defending the wall...

Unless you use armed guards and shoot anyone who crosses, it is only a bluff...

The question is, should we turn into nazi Germany by shooting anyone who tries crossing the wall?

Or just use ladders in some places. Or maybe pass through the areas that don't have a wall because the land belongs to some rich guy. http://www.alternet.org/story/77320/homeland_security_won't_explain_why_the_mexican_border_wall_bypasses_the_rich_and_connected


And paying extra for the companies involved in building. See the article above.

Now that I think about it...

Doesn't it look like someone made Mexico build the last wall?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/att/site1/20070503/xin_07050403153962015824197.jpg

http://www.revistamo.org/media/user/images/gty_arizonawall_wmain%20abc%20news.jpg

There is a wall aready. Is he buliding a new one or what? And he thinks that just a wall will solve the problem?

you fire warning shots into the air then shoot at the invaders if the warnings go unheeded, doing harm to a wrongdoer before he can do harm to you is called defending yourself. this is what the israelis do and their wall is 99% effective at keeping illegal african muslim infiltrators out of the country. same for bulgaria and its border with turkey.

Yeah sure, could you just stop spreading your lies here?

And shooting at desperate population, hungry women and children that only want to live is not acceptable in any way. It cannot. It means you're actually ready to kill innocents people simply because you can't share the basic minimum to live... It says a lot on your mentality though.

Who counts with foot? Don't even know how much it does... Please start evolving to modern science...

So after research it makes 10 000$ per meter. Doesn't seem incredible to me. Especially considering the price of defending the wall :/

height and width is this included
plus how deep will the footings be..Is it made with concrete slabs?
is it made with bricks? 1 skin 2 skins how many skins?
Unless you know how it's going to be built you will never know the price

That long border would be really useless and pointless investment.

Who's going to pay for the wall between the United States and Canada?  Don't we need one there too?

why couldn't you have used google
http://www.irinnews.org/report/86368/egypt-israel-how-many-migrants-are-dying-border
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/16/afghan-refugee-shot-dead-police-turkey-enter-bulgaria

it says i place the protection of my personal belongings and national resources ahead of the well being of parasite invaders who would take them away from me. if we don't shoot a few they are only going to keep coming until all civilised countries are overwhelmed by the third world.

your attitude is that of the american negress who recently critisised a homeowner for shooting dead her nigger cousin who had broken into to the person's home to steal because he "needed money for clothes for school". if our ancestors had thought this way all of europe would have fallen under islamic rule a long time ago.

Thanks for this comment. I think there is nothing more to say. You belong to the kind of people believing it's right to kill others because they want to take parts of the tremendeous amount of goods and food you have in order to survive.
Funny though. Between a Syrian woman who ran a war country, traveled whole Europe bare foot, managed to reach your borders risking her life with a last both expansive and dangerous travel accross sea, and you who only born here, who deserves the most the nationality?

And it seems like you compare our modern society to Middle Age. Wanna go back to this time? Did it even crossed your mind that the main difference between today and middle age is that we interfere in all their actions and use them as garbages? Hence that it's rather normal to see them turning at us once they got no other hope? What would be your solution? Close the borders and shoot at anyone?

the definition of nationality is the status of belonging to a particular nation so obviously the syrian qualifies for nationality in syria and i qualify for nationality here. the clue is in the name. there is no country on earth in which you or i would qualify for citizenship simply on the basis that we have traveled a long way through difficult conditions to get there. the rule for every would-be immigrant in every non white country on earth is that you have to go through a legal process and prove you can support yourself financially before getting anywhere. and in almost every case you wont qualify for welfare until you've paid into their system for a few years. but when white people attempt to apply these very reasonable standards to third world muslims it all of a sudden becomes racist and cruel.

yes we should shoot invaders instead of letting ourselves by overrun by them and allowing our civilisation to descend into third world anarchy. it works for israel as i have already shown you. following their no nonsense approach we'd shoot literally a handful and the rest get the message to stop coming. any that slip through are given a choice between detention and deportation. say what you want about the jews, they understand that third world savages bring the third world with them and they are having none of it in their country.

All construction in the USA is done with the English system, not metric.

The reason it's important to look at it in terms of costs per foot is because we can then go and look at what it costs very easily.

Ten feet into the ground, thirty feet up....pyramidal cross section....

I get about $500-1000 per running foot.

Trump is a racist, He wants to build a wall between Mexico and the US? What a waste of money.

Width of the wall? built in brick or concrete shuttering moulds..
Built in brick cost a lot more money plus labour..
Concrete cheap as chips but looks are not to good but will do the same job..

1 ft long 40 ft high 1 skin will cost more than 1k dollars

cost of digging the footings the labour the materials it will cost more than 500 to 1000 dollars a foot
plus how thick will the wall be as thick as my brain.

More likely enforcing the same ones that are built already.

Or just adding more border control patrols and more gear I suppose. Theres no other options besides that and hire more people.

The sad part with all this "build a wall" is that theres going to be more creative ways to be smuggled in lol.

I'm figuring 10 ft deep 20 wide 30 high and triangular, concrete 6" skin filled with rubble from the trenching

Would think a wall would be expensive, but as a construction guy, would love to see this happen.
We have quite a few Americans working on some of our bigger projects, so it would create work here in Canada as well. Us Canadians could use a wall too, would love work like this for a decade plus. Drooling thinking about the overtime.
Build it and they will come!

Wall would need to go down deeper due to tunnel issues and width would have to be closer to 2 feet to prevent drilling. Wonder if they would want to plant sensors the whole way as well.

I think it's silly to blame America's problems on illegal immigration... smells like a red-herring

Who cares if someone hires a Mexican to mow their lawn?

If businesses are hiring illegals by the score, then fine the shit outta the businesses and they will all stop hiring illegals... problem solved

Trump is not going to build any wall if he becomes the president because it is so hard to be done and it will not prevent any migrants as they can dig tunnels or jump over the wall with ladders
 check this video for John Oliver about that wall
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

Trumpy Drumpfy sat on a wall.
Trumpy Drumpfy had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men,
Couldn't put Trumpy back together again.

Why not? Because the people don't have or need a king. Especially not Trumpy.

Google Drumpfy.

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That's ridiculous.

Talk to the Chinese about great walls, dude.

I love how everyone gets all fired up over the idea of a wall. It's just pure symbolism and people love it. If trump gets elected I have no idea how he could convince mexico to PAY for the wall. The whole thing is nuts to me. I am interested though if a physical wall would be more cost effective than just more patrolling. But, a wall is more of symbolic thing than anything

That's actually crazy.  Walls have specific purposes, that is why they exist.

If you'd looked into it just a tiny bit you'd know that his scheme is to put a surcharge on money transfers from all the illegals in the US into Mexico, and that will easily pay for the wall.

What people are getting fired up about is someone actually solving this problem instead of more and more of the lying.

I didn't know about the surcharge thing. But still wouldn't you agree that the wall is a really symbolic thing? Thats part of why it's so popular right?

In a sense I have to agree with you and here is how.  Soldiers/Cops etc carry guns routinely, and well all HOPE the effect is largely symbolic.  Someone sees gun on cop, decides not to do bad thing.

Similarly, the effect of a wall would deter attempts to cross the border illegally.  By the way, I am for a number of immigrant work programs with permits, the idea that a wall would prevent traffic is a misunderstanding. 

Right now someone could easily write an entire book about the traffic and issues on the US border, there are that many details to it.  For example not uncommonly it takes 3 hours to cross into the US from Mexico.  That needs to be improved to say 15-30 minutes.  There are lots of deaths from illegal Mexico to US crossings in the desert areas.  These are harsh areas.  They will kill you.

Lots of issues, but the basic idea of building a serious wall is a good idea.

You have to consider the cost of labor, and the fact that you will need to pay for the transport of heavy material into areas that are not easy to access. John Oliver makes a great point in his last show. If you look it up on youtube, it is there. MY apologies, not current RESEARCH, but just what I have seen. :) :D

Actually I did include labor, and "heavy material" is really not a problem.  Concrete batch plants are relatively easy to set up and operate.  Any company that did concrete slabs, runways, etc could easily a stretch of this job.

The major problem is people criticizing this problem who have defeatist or ignorant attitude and think they can converse intelligently on the subject.

I mean, think about it.

"You can't build a wall!"

Well, that's a ridiculous thing to say.  Of course we can.

"A wall can't keep them Out!!"

That's even more ridiculous.  Can you keep deer and hogs out of a garden?  that's what walls DO.

Frankly the only difficult areas will be those basically possessed and patrolled by Mexican cartels (yes I am referring to on the US side) which is the result of neglect and don't care by the Obama administration and which is a total disgrace.  A bit of the military would be needed to help there, until the wall was completed.  I'd probably start in those sections, come to think about it.

Today I say...
As long as this gate is closed...
As long as this scar of a wall is permitted to stand...
It is not the American question alone which remains open...
But the question of freedom for all mankind...

...Mr. Trump, Tear down this wall!

-Ronald Reagan 1987 (mostly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A)

Real men don't build walls, they tear walls down

That's not true. Real Capitalist Loving American men and women can do both, depending on the job in hand.

 :)

Americans "counts with foot". Obviously you are not American. Please evolve to proper English.

I think the chinese build something like that 1000 years ago or so.
If you believe the rumours you can even see it from outer space.

History says they didnt accomplish their goal of defending against the huns.


Even if it wont keep mexicans away nasa can make nice advertisement pictures of american engineering from outer space :D

A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.

If you need more then 2 seconds to decide your views on Donald Trumps wall, you are a moron.
Sorry to say it, but come on.
Watch John Oliver's last show (I think, maybe the one before that) to get a good laugh about this absurd proposal.

Certainly it can.

It's wrong what you say.

But we all know it's not the ONLY tool in the shed.

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

What makes you look like a clown is when paid Border Patrol agents are told not to enforce the law.

"New tech" was the scheme Bush Jr. pushed, the "smart wall."  That actually takes a lot of maintenance.

The solution is concrete and iron, with a dirt road that a four wheel drive can move on.  You need a station with a couple Border Patrol every five or ten miles.


Add some sensors that tell you if someone's tunnelling or jack hammering.

Done.  Next problema...

Build a wall of gatling guns with motion sensors...

Or, better yet... build a moat... add sharks with laser beams!

Defeatism, Hopelessness, namby pamby attitudes are not smart, elite, progressive, correct, real, or needed.

What they are is stupid.

Can we skip the 3rd grade name-calling?

How about forget about the stupid wall and focus on the real problems with America?

America has 101 problems... and none of them have to do with illegal immigration

We know that Mexico will have to pay for the wall, but who's going to pay for the tunnels and ladders?

We could make a deal on that.  Maybe share the costs?

lol...

ladder companies might want in for the advertizing

Do you really seriously believe anything politicians say or promise?
For Trump this wall is just something to use in his political campaign, in order to show his voters that he cares and have concrete plan how to stop immigrants and prevent their illegal entries into the USA.
In fact, he don't care at all about immigrants and wall.
He is only concerned with how to win the elections and took the chair in the white house.
After that he will forget all his false promises and show his true face.
Who are the main workers in the Trump buildings?
Of course immigrants :)

LOL, pause and think a minute about what you are saying. 

Bolded section above - That's the very point, Trump is not a politician. 

Regarding "who are the main workers," so what? 

It'd be illegal Mexicans that BUILD the WALL.  Anything wrong with that?

I know it sounds crazy, but these are crazy times.

Just the 11 million illegal immigrants cost the US tax payers between 40 million to 110 million dollars a year.

Each illegal immigrant, or any immigrant living in the United States is putting more strain, and wear/tear on the country's infrastructure. Meaning our water pipes, waste pipes, electric grid, bridges, roads, public transit, emergence services, hospitals, landfills, prisons, government assistance, communications, internet, social workers. and our natural resources will diminish rapidly.
 Here's another problem the illegal immigrants in  the United States causes. We have over 2 million prisoners in the United States, and if just one illegal immigrant takes a job from a prisoners that's to many. But of course millions of jobs that a ex prisoner would of been employed at is filled by illegal immigrants. What choices does the ex prisoner have but to go back to crime.
Also lets say a drought happens it's more water taken away from your family to the illegal immigrants needs.
Or a fast spreading sickness is killing people, but because the illegal immigrates your tax paying American family of 4 only will get 2 vaccines.
 Or a natural disaster and not all Americans can be saves because o the number of illegal immigrants taken too......etc  etc.
 Americans have paid for the service of government but the illegal immigrants that haven't paid years into the service gets treated.

We do not know the number of illegals. 11 millions was a very, very old estimation. More than 80 to 110 Billions for sure.

The building of a wall would be a federal project so almost no chance of a illegal immigrant working on the wall project. Need the proper IDs.

I think the inmigrant "problem" comes down to drug trafficking too. That's an US problem since it's the top consumer by miles. The crime is just a result of cartels trying to provide the product illegally. I really think governments worldwide need to start legalizing drugs, this is an old time issue and both sides have strong arguments.

As I'm from a third world country, my logic is a little different and may sound like a "liberal" to you. To me no US or European government will legalize drugs because their main production and harvest is in third world countries. Imagine if Colombia, Bolivia, Afghanistan and many other countries could export legally all the drugs they want, they will be instantly rich countries. That doesn't really pan out for first world economies...

What wall?

Mexico will pay for the wall. Because they owe America over 50 billion in trade.

I think that could be easily handled.  For example, work permits. 

LOL
Trump is not politician but he is in political campaign for  Presidential election :)
So, he is political candidate or what?
So, it's ok to use illegal Mexicans to build Trump's building and even Wall, but in the same time accuse immigrants for everything bad in American economy and threat them with legal action?
It's double standard, if you ask me.
Trump is real politician, talking what people want to hear, not what he really thinks.
 

Huh?  Accuse them for everything bad?  Who is doing that?

May I suggest, go read the actual Trump plan on his website?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_barrier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_barrier)


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/US_Navy_090317-N-5253T-016_Two_men_scale_the_border_fence_into_Mexico_a_few_hundred_yards_away_from_where_Seabees_from_Naval_Mobile_Construction_Battalions_%28NMCB%29_133_and_NMCB-14_are_building_a_1%2C500_foot-long_concrete-lined_dr.jpg

Some sections of this existing wall are better than others.  Your picture proves nothing.

I was responding to a question of "what wall?"

It proves there is a wall, and if you read the Wikipedia quote, you would know that as of January 2010 (6 years ago), it is complete


What are the specs of Trump's wall?
Is it taller than 21 feet?
More than 6 feet deep in the ground?
Is it cemented in a 3-foot-wide trench with 5000 psi concrete?

How is Trump's wall better than the existing wall?

No it was not.  Go back and do some more study.

I was asking what nazi wall? I'm better sure Nazi Germany didn't build a wall.

On one side there is the actual price to build the wall, and on the other side there is the price the American taxpayers will have pay. This is a capitalist country, right? So you can't expect the builder not to make some profit. The laughable part is that some Trump supporters are expecting Mexico to pay the bill!

The Nazis didn't build a wall, is what  i meant.

Yeah sure. Because actually ready to risk there life in the sea, giving out everything they have for a better life, are of course going to be stopped by a fucking ridiculous wall...

I'm just glad to know people without any notion of empathy exist in the world. It's the proof that our evolution is still incomplete as empathy was the base of our evolution process.

Seems to me that you have no notion of history, otherwise you would know that each and every empire collapsed after starting to close their borders and their culture calling themselves as "superioirs". Seems you also have absolutely have no notion of project management or you would understand that defending 14 000 km of borders is far more costly than integrating migrants. Seems you're a rather ignorant fool if you believe, even a moment, that Europe doesn't have the mean to welcome and integrate the correctly.

But as always: "A banker, a man and a migrant are in a room with 20 cookies. The banker takes 19 cookies to the man and says "you'd better borrow me 5 or 6 cookies in order to get the immigrant out of here. He's stealing your cookie.""

Huh?  Any of them that want can try the sea route.  That has nothing to do with the wall.  The wall would stop the desert routes where a lot of the illegal immigrants DIE.

Oh, so your solution is "let's build a wall on a part of the borders"?
And what will you do when they'll all go through the sea route?

???

There has been no discussion of sea routes by any presidential candidate. 

Do you even know the geography?  The tides, the currents?

Mexico is not Cuba...

Doesn't matter man...

What I mean is that, you wanna build a wall? Very well. But they'll just start making a detour by sea that all! Where on Earth did you see that a fucking wall will be enough! If it was the case why did the Mexican immigration didn't stop, or at least decrease after the construction of the fortified border between Mexico and USA???

The WALL is still a good deal and will stop a lot of people

So please just explain to me why the current fortified border doesn't stop mexicans?

You have to tell me first where it is fortified and I'll try to answer

I have driven along the border and flown over it many, many times.  There are many answers to your question.  Some places the fence is just 10' chain link, other places it is rather formidable.  Read into that "not worth your time to fuck with this piece of fence, hombre."

Some places you look to the left and the right, and that "rather formidable fence" just comes to a stop a mile or two away...

A section of desert road along the border.  There's a Border Patrol car every couple miles.  That's enough, it's very flat.  There are mounds of rock every hundred or two hundred yards.  Each person crossing adds a rock.  But they die out there, these areas are badlands.  No water.  Other areas are infested with drug traffickers.  Think in terms of you go in there, you die.

Not sure that's an answer to your question...

Talking to Trump is like talking to the wall.    ;D

If he does not know you that could be true... That's true for anybody.

 :)

You are too serious about a joke.    :D

With you I can never be too serious about a joke

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You seem way too serious about Trump.    ;D

TRUMP is pure fun. I can never be too serious about how cool he will be as our first God Emperor...

 :)

Hillary Clinton Brags About Voting For A Border Fence To Keep Out Illegal Immigrants






Here we go. Everybody wants to steal the TRUMP WALL

 :)

Trump - Borg Destroyer

I have never seen so many politicians destroyed. As if they hit a WALL at 200mph....

This is true.  We either need to study this in detail and elect the guy, or repress it and write a lot of good, old fashion hate speech of the allowed kind about it.  Just think of all the hate speech yet to be written about Trump.  A lot of it hasn't even been made up yet.  And that's hard work, making up new lies.

Maybe we could hire some of these resident Jew hatering Muslims who post all the time their crap to go after trump with good old fashioned hate?  Look, I know they look the other way on that Sanders, but they have so much hate, and so few outlets for it.....

I will hire them for sure. They will have to pick up their $$$ over there... (http://www.bankisrael.gov.il/en/Pages/Default.aspx)

She started by moving to the left to beat sanders. Now that she thinks she won the nomination she is moving to the right again. Typical politician. Why bother with principles. Not that trump is better.

Yeah. TRUMP is better than harpy. Same message.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI

I think he'll build it by the biggest cost and will award the project on his own company ;D

TRUMP became famous and rich for completing projects under budget and under the time allocated. His workers get a fatter bonus when this is accomplished...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqdfpV47Mu4

Muy interestante.

Who knew importing bags of rice and sugar in the US was such a dramatic olympic sport event...

Sure would be fun to see the US border states legalize marihuana grown in state, and then enforce state laws against illegal shipments coming in from Mexico.

Because then the Texas Rangers would be on the job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNTOi6Fh3ZE

Making you fly up in the air in slow motion, while making you screaming not in slow motion, is a super power all Texas Rangers should have...

Texas Rangers are not the only ones with super powers today.

Obama has the power to make Super bad deals.
Hillary has the power to be Super crazy.

And from that unholy sexual union of those two demonic creatures, and with the help of 25000 gallons of illegally obtained radioactive sperm taken from millions of future voting democrats, a child was conceived under a blood moon.

Behold! (http://pdsh.wikia.com/wiki/Bat-Shit_Crazy)

And we all have the power to place him in prison and her in an asylum when necessary. But the longer we wait to do it, the more difficulty we will have doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&index=10&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufcgCDd8KBM

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In the end, the overall benefits would be many times the cost of the wall. The reduction in crime rate alone could save the American tax payers some $100 billion or more. There will be less number of rapes, murders, robberies, and other violent crime. The government would be able to save tens of billions of USD every year, in the form of reduced welfare payments.

Crossing Mexico's Other Border






Published on Mar 29, 2013

When traveling from Central America to the United States through Mexico, immigrants are forced to battle drug cartels, corrupt police officers, and human traffickers, all before they even come close to the US border.

People tend to assume that the immigrants crossing the US--Mexico border are all Mexican. The reality is that a large percentage of them come from Central America, and their journey north is grueling. To get to the US, they first have to pass through Mexico, an ordeal that often ends up being even more difficult than getting into the United States. Most migrants cross into Mexico on rafts, via the Suchiate River. After that, they need to protect themselves from corrupt Mexican police, drug cartels like the infamous Zetas, and even fellow migrants. They often travel by foot and by pubic transit, but many of them ride on top of "the Beast," the freight trains that travel from the south to the north of Mexico.

While the majority of the migrants are young men, a small percentage of them are women who endure hardships like the possibility of being raped by basically anyone they come across. Some of them are forced to stay in the border state of Chiapas and work as prostitutes because they are too weak to keep going, need to save some money to continue their journey, or, if they decide to stay , so they can travel back and forth between Mexico and their home countries to visit their kids[NJ1] .

In this episode of Fringes, we followed Yoana, a young girl from Guatemala who has been living in the small town of Huixtla, Chiapas, working as a prostitute to make money to help her two sons. We tagged along with a special unit from the state government that is in charge of protecting migrants as they travel through Chiapas. We then hopped on board the Beast with more than 400 other migrants traveling from Arriaga to Ixtepec, Oaxaca, to try to understand the hardships they go through and why they leave their homes in the first place.




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From prostitution to 0bamacare...

Footage released of police shooting marijuana suspects from a helicopter (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/195709-2016-04-25-footage-released-of-police-shooting-marijuana-suspects-from-a-helicopter.htm)


https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/522-0425123907-a.jpg (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/195709-2016-04-25-footage-released-of-police-shooting-marijuana-suspects-from-a-helicopter.htm)




http://wearechange.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/helicopter_hog_hunting_6-440x270.jpg (http://wearechange.org/footage-released-police-shooting-marijuana-suspects-helicopter/)


Read more at http://wearechange.org/footage-released-police-shooting-marijuana-suspects-helicopter/. (http://wearechange.org/footage-released-police-shooting-marijuana-suspects-helicopter/)


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^^^^ All this could be avoided, if marijuana is legalized in the United States. The ban on marijuana is only helping the big three - the Mexican drug cartels (who make money by smuggling in the weed), the banking cartel (who launders the drug money for the Mexican drug cartels) and the pharma cartel (who will lose billions of USD in revenue from painkiller sales if weed is legalized).

There's a big difference between shooting from a Huey with a chain gun, and shooting from a small helicopter with an M16.  Your post is rather misleading.

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

How are illegal immigrants able to get welfare? I get that they may apply for some general benefits, like emergency subsidy, but how, without a legal,  legitimate, and unique identity, can they apply for most government benefits?

And food for thought:

http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens

Among people aged 18-54, 1.53 percent of natives are incarcerated, as are 0.85 percent of undocumented immigrants and 0.47 percent of documented immigrants, according to the Cato study of comparative incarceration rates.

The Cato study found that there are about 2 million U.S-born citizens, 123,000 undocumented immigrants and 64,000 documented foreign citizens in U.S. jails.

If natural-born citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as undocumented immigrants, "about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated," read the study. Similarly, if native citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as documented immigrants, 1.4 million fewer would be in prison.

Also see here:
http://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/immigration-public-safety/

Foreign-born individuals (“first-generation immigrants”) report lower rates of criminal offending than native-born citizens and they have less contact with the criminal justice system, as measured by arrest records. Indeed, two notable studies, highlighted in a report by the American Immigration Council, find:6)
Foreign-born individuals are less likely than native-born individuals to have engaged in violent or non-violent antisocial behaviors in their lifetimes, including harassment, assault, and acquiring multiple traffic violations, “despite being more likely to have lower levels of income, less education, and reside in urban areas.”7) The study’s authors add that these findings hold for immigrants from major world regions including Africa, Asia, Europe, and Latin America. Their analysis drew on survey data from a nationally representative sample of over 40,000 U.S. residents aged 18 years and older.
Foreign-born youth enrolled in U.S. middle and high schools in the mid-1990s had among the lowest delinquency rates when compared to their peers.8) These researchers focused on non-violent delinquent acts such as stealing, damaging property, or selling drugs. Their study drew on repeated surveys of over 20,000 adolescents conducted between 1994 through 2002.

Doesn't sound too ridiculous to me. The wall is expected to cost somewhere between $10 billion and $30 billion. But the benefits will be more than that in a single year. And in the long term, the wall can make a profit of trillions.

Do you really think so? As the wall can make money? Even the great wall of China which is dismantled for Souvenirs does not make that much money. Who can stop a wall? Trump will never build a wall. If he starts building it will be a monument to his idiocy.

The construction of the wall is not an option. No wall will not stop people fleeing for a better life. It seems to me that on this money it is better to build the plant instead of the wall and let the Mexicans work there and receive a decent wage and benefit America.

You lack perspective with all due respect.

In the short term, massive building project like that will create and support hundreds of thousands of jobs. In the long term it will likewise regulate flow of goods, people and money over the border cutting down room for criminals and smugglers. This is precisely why generation after generation of Chinese kept building and upkeeping their wall.

Souvenirs are irrelevant in bigger picture.

Understand that the wall will not stop neither trafficking nor migrants. Yes, its construction will create jobs, but it jobs which do not bring profit. Plant in the border or neutral territory will produce products and generate profits, and migrants will not have to live in the United States.

If the Mexicans want to work in the United States, then they should do it in a legal way. First they should apply for a job visa, and then wait for their turn. Why don't they try immigrating to Saudi Arabia or Japan?

This is ludicrous ;D

Yes his plan is an exaggerated bullcrap at best. He plans on keeping the immigrants put but fails to account the budget the scope of his plan and most of all other methods of how immigrants really get pass american borders. They also have other ways of entries not just the wall

Pure stupidity from the beggining, only fool can believe that Mexico will pay for Trump rasistic thoughts, but that guy win elections by making whole that fame that he will make America impossible to reach for foreigners, forgeting that whole America except Indian population is foreign, not native. There will not be walls in 21st century for shure.

This is a very un-Mexican way of thinking.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Thinking a physical wall will jut fight illegal migration is as absurd as untrue. The real problem is poverty. If people are financially sufficient in their homes no one will waste their time jumping through jungles and on walls to make it to America just for a few dollars a weak. If Trump wants to fight migration then in suggest he supports Mexico better their economy

True, no matter how tall you build a wall people find a way to get over it. Take the great wall for example. It's massive project expanding decades to finish. It works then because no one could fly over it, they don't have siege towers or machines that could decimate it then. They don't even have the firepower to actually destroy that wall but people actually found a way to get over it. Today, unless it's a sophisticated enough wall, you'll not completely eliminate the chance of people getting over that wall, at best you just lessen it.

I know that what I said was something really un-Mexican, and I offer my apologies for that.

That said, I would compare the treatment of Mexican illegals in the United States, to the treatment of Central American illegals (especially those from poor countries such as El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua.etc) in Mexico. Obviously the Americans treat the illegals in a humane way, while the Mexicans treat them as subhuman.

NUMERous studies and this are conducted by qualified and competent researchers have proved that the wall would cost a lot more a lot on what he was blatantly shouting at his rallies and making other people believe and he should assess his policies on it accordingly as this is not a sustainable and effective way for his policies

Oh, these walls such a stuoid idea. We live in 20th century. We should make the world as one, not to build border.

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Do you mean "globalism" by saying "make the world as one". I am not sure that this is the good idea since every country has it's own traditions and it is going to disappear if the world becomes as one.

Is he going to build a wall around the planet as well to stop aliens from coming to Earth?

I think building a wall is not the best option. Why do this if there is already a border. It does not make sense. A waste of money which could be better used.

The man wants to build a big wall, as big as his ego, not pay for it and show people how magnificent he is. Maybe it'll be bigger than the Great Wall of China and then he will remain in history as a wonderful leader. Maybe it will be in the shape of the letter T and people will see it from space, aliens will wonder, everyone will bow in front of the great orange man himself, the hair conqueror, breaker of chains, mother of lizards, the great Khal of the US.

I think it was just a big piece of propaganda, as it seems he is procrastinating the project.

Just seen him on a news feed saying that if mexico don't pay for the wall he will eat his own wig!

But in all seriousness here.  I doubt a wall will ever be made. it would be such a devided between the two nations and the mexicans always find a way.

Trump is wrong. The wall will only worsen the relations between the two countries. And people also do not like it. It would have been better if he had tackled other problems.

The Trump Wall?

How about, "Talking to Trump is like talking to a wall."

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The Trump wall isn't for keeping illegals out. It's for keeping citizens in.

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If there is a will, then there is a way. If Trump really want to build the wall, then there is hardly anyone out there who can prevent it from happening. But let's not forget that the biggest threat comes from his own GOP senators and not from the Democrat members. And he should also worry about the leftist and liberal judges in the SCOTUS striking down his measures.

Good point. When is he actually going to start the project? If ever...