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February 05, 2013, 11:44:10 PM
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February 06, 2013, 12:03:37 AM
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I don't think this is a currency...it's just a gift card system really...

I like the fact that they're calling them coins, because when anyone gripes about Bitcoin being used for evil, the question can naturally follow: "why are bitcoins bad but Amazon coins are OK?  What's the difference?"

Any dialogue that follows that line of questioning can only be good for Bitcoin.

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper or hardware wallets instead.
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February 06, 2013, 12:16:55 AM
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I don't think this is a currency...it's just a gift card system really...

I like the fact that they're calling them coins, because when anyone gripes about Bitcoin being used for evil, the question can naturally follow: "why are bitcoins bad but Amazon coins are OK?  What's the difference?"

Any dialogue that follows that line of questioning can only be good for Bitcoin.

That's a good point, kind of like why MintChip is *good* for Bitcoin.

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February 06, 2013, 12:13:58 PM
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My guess is these will not be transferable, so instead of picking an app, clicking "Buy," having it charge your card, and instantly downloading it, you'll be looking for coins, buying them, essentially letting someone else hold on to your money, and then using coins to purchase that app. Sounds like a REALLY stupid business idea that will only make things more difficult and confusing.
So what you're saying is, it's good for bitcoin.  Cool

I would say it's completely irrelevant for bitcoin, but is bad for Amazon. Waste of company money.
They do it to save on credit card fees.   Since there's a fixed cost per transaction, small payments of less than a dollar are not cost-effective.  If they can get people to buy $20 worth of Amazon Coins at once, it saves them money.  It's the same idea behind xbox points.
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February 06, 2013, 12:59:16 PM
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They do it to save on credit card fees.   Since there's a fixed cost per transaction, small payments of less than a dollar are not cost-effective.  If they can get people to buy $20 worth of Amazon Coins at once, it saves them money.  It's the same idea behind xbox points.
Yup. It's just a gift card, or xbox points, etc.
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February 06, 2013, 02:43:23 PM
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Just another 'gift card' system - they can only be spent with amazon, and they have no value outside of amazon.

If £1 buys you 10 amazon coins then each amazon coin will be worth 10pence - and I highly doubt amazon would let this change. Therefor they 'inflate' as the fiat money they are based on does.

I have never really understood gift-cards, because fiat money is more secure - and has an actual value. Too many companies are going under and refusing to honour gift cards when/if they are bought out by another company.

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February 06, 2013, 04:36:21 PM
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They do it to save on credit card fees.   Since there's a fixed cost per transaction, small payments of less than a dollar are not cost-effective.  If they can get people to buy $20 worth of Amazon Coins at once, it saves them money.  It's the same idea behind xbox points.

That would require them to convince, or maybe even force, people to buy these coins, as opposed to just buying things with a credit card using the one-click purchase feature they have now. I can't see how they could convince people to use the more convoluted method, and switching to ONLY accepting coins for all purchases will likely piss off a lot of customers. Their Amazon Appstore is not really in a powerful position for that, though. Sure, people who only have Kindles are forced to use it, but there are plenty of other alternatives to the Kindle that have the same size screens, better hardware, and actually cost less, while having full access to Google's app store AND  Amazoon's Kindle app (e.g. Nexus). I'll be curious to see how they force this weirdness on their customers.

I don't think this is a currency...it's just a gift card system really...

At least gift cards you can actually gift. From what I understand, these coins will not be transferable. So I guess the gift would be to Amazon, who gets to take more of your money Cheesy

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February 06, 2013, 04:50:30 PM
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Maybe Amazon has future plans to let you buy a limited selection of intangible products with bitcoins and is using this as a buffer so if they run into legal trouble.  So you could buy amazon coins with BTC. In event of legal snags they can isolate and "throw out amazon coins" and BTC with the bath water, but if it takes off and establishes legitimacy, they can simply expand it to be useful for all goods and have a head start on the market!

When you're a company concerned that you'll be enabling all kinds of horrible things by giving people a way for people to turn anonymous illegally-gotten money into goods and services, it sounds far less sinister when the only things you're allowing people to buy are intangible copies of intellectual property items that the evil people of the world could arguably just pirate anyway.  When you're taking bitcoins for music, movies, and e-books, it's hard for someone to argue you're helping black-hat criminals, because these criminals don't pay for these in the first place, right?  They jailbreak, crack, torrent, and pirate music and books.  It's mind numbingly brilliant if this has anything to do with Amazon's future plans to differentiate themselves as innovators.

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February 06, 2013, 08:51:54 PM
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That would require them to convince, or maybe even force, people to buy these coins, as opposed to just buying things with a credit card using the one-click purchase feature they have now. I can't see how they could convince people to use the more convoluted method, and switching to ONLY accepting coins for all purchases will likely piss off a lot of customers. Their Amazon Appstore is not really in a powerful position for that, though. Sure, people who only have Kindles are forced to use it, but there are plenty of other alternatives to the Kindle that have the same size screens, better hardware, and actually cost less, while having full access to Google's app store AND  Amazoon's Kindle app (e.g. Nexus). I'll be curious to see how they force this weirdness on their customers.
The press release states that they will be giving away free coins.  So there will be some sort of discount or bonus for using amazon coins.

At least gift cards you can actually gift. From what I understand, these coins will not be transferable. So I guess the gift would be to Amazon, who gets to take more of your money Cheesy
If it's like their current gift card system, it will be giftable upon initial purchase, but not transferable again.
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February 06, 2013, 11:32:29 PM
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these criminals don't pay for these in the first place, right?  They jailbreak, crack, torrent, and pirate music and books.

Good God, I am a criminal!  Shocked
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February 07, 2013, 04:50:50 AM
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That would require them to convince, or maybe even force, people to buy these coins, as opposed to just buying things with a credit card using the one-click purchase feature they have now. I can't see how they could convince people to use the more convoluted method, and switching to ONLY accepting coins for all purchases will likely piss off a lot of customers. Their Amazon Appstore is not really in a powerful position for that, though. Sure, people who only have Kindles are forced to use it, but there are plenty of other alternatives to the Kindle that have the same size screens, better hardware, and actually cost less, while having full access to Google's app store AND  Amazoon's Kindle app (e.g. Nexus). I'll be curious to see how they force this weirdness on their customers.
The press release states that they will be giving away free coins.  So there will be some sort of discount or bonus for using amazon coins.

At least gift cards you can actually gift. From what I understand, these coins will not be transferable. So I guess the gift would be to Amazon, who gets to take more of your money Cheesy
If it's like their current gift card system, it will be giftable upon initial purchase, but not transferable again.

I think the workaround is that you give someone a gift card, they apply it to their account, they send MP3s as a gift, spending the credit out of their account, and the recipient of the MP3 requests it be converted to credit rather than downloading the MP3.

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February 07, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
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Looks like Amazon is doing this to build customer loyalty and a strong app base (while taking advantage of the below-inflation rates of debt): http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/02/amazon_coins_jeff_bezos_brilliant_plan_to_give_free_money_to_kindle_fire.html

Regardless of the fact that the only things Amazon coins have in common with bitcoin are being digital and called 'coins', it probably is a good thing for bitcoin as the name and concept of a digital currency be more familiar when people learn about it in the future.
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February 08, 2013, 07:54:05 AM
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It's just a sort of 'points' system, it doesn't seem related to Bitcoin in any way.
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February 08, 2013, 08:32:42 AM
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Maybe Amazon has future plans to let you buy a limited selection of intangible products with bitcoins and is using this as a buffer so if they run into legal trouble.  So you could buy amazon coins with BTC. In event of legal snags they can isolate and "throw out amazon coins" and BTC with the bath water, but if it takes off and establishes legitimacy, they can simply expand it to be useful for all goods and have a head start on the market!

When you're a company concerned that you'll be enabling all kinds of horrible things by giving people a way for people to turn anonymous illegally-gotten money into goods and services, it sounds far less sinister when the only things you're allowing people to buy are intangible copies of intellectual property items that the evil people of the world could arguably just pirate anyway.  When you're taking bitcoins for music, movies, and e-books, it's hard for someone to argue you're helping black-hat criminals, because these criminals don't pay for these in the first place, right?  They jailbreak, crack, torrent, and pirate music and books.  It's mind numbingly brilliant if this has anything to do with Amazon's future plans to differentiate themselves as innovators.

This could very well be in the long term plans. Both Google and Amazon are laying the foundation for the digital currency revolution thats coming. Its a short step from google wallet to google coins for example.

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February 08, 2013, 11:29:51 AM
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Just because a company starts offering something and uses the word "coin," it's definitely not bitcoin.

They just want to ride the vibe. Bitcoin is cool, why not call our product "coin" too?
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February 08, 2013, 11:42:12 AM
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Just because a company starts offering something and uses the word "coin," it's definitely not bitcoin.
They just want to ride the vibe. Bitcoin is cool, why not call our product "coin" too?

Yep, so much fuss for nothing. It's just some giftcard-like nonsense, not coin of any sort.

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February 08, 2013, 03:55:09 PM
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We should bum rush Amazon with emails about why they use Amazon Coins, but not bitcoin.  I do buy stuff from Amazon, but if they took BTC, they would make it my primary shopping site.

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February 08, 2013, 08:07:27 PM
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We should bum rush Amazon with emails about why they use Amazon Coins, but not bitcoin.  I do buy stuff from Amazon, but if they took BTC, they would make it my primary shopping site.

No we shouldn't. The customer base of bitcoin users is still WAAAAAAAY too tiny for them to give a fuck. Plus they'll be in the business of selling AmazonCoins themselves directly. For them to use Bitcoin, they would have to consider how to sell it themselves, and somehow I don't think Amazon has interest in being in the exchange business.

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February 08, 2013, 08:10:00 PM
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We should bum rush Amazon with emails about why they use Amazon Coins, but not bitcoin.  I do buy stuff from Amazon, but if they took BTC, they would make it my primary shopping site.

No we shouldn't. The customer base of bitcoin users is still WAAAAAAAY too tiny for them to give a fuck. Plus they'll be in the business of selling AmazonCoins themselves directly. For them to use Bitcoin, they would have to consider how to sell it themselves, and somehow I don't think Amazon has interest in being in the exchange business.
My message to Amazon is... You can use BTC or not. I will be using bitcoin regardless of your decision.

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February 08, 2013, 08:36:46 PM
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We should bum rush Amazon with emails about why they use Amazon Coins, but not bitcoin.  I do buy stuff from Amazon, but if they took BTC, they would make it my primary shopping site.

No we shouldn't. The customer base of bitcoin users is still WAAAAAAAY too tiny for them to give a fuck. Plus they'll be in the business of selling AmazonCoins themselves directly. For them to use Bitcoin, they would have to consider how to sell it themselves, and somehow I don't think Amazon has interest in being in the exchange business.
My message to Amazon is... You can use BTC or not. I will be using bitcoin regardless of your decision.

Their message will be something like, "who the f are you, and why should we care?"

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, ever, it's just that we are still nowhere near that point in Bitcoin's acceptance. Hell, we're still waiting for the software to actually be user friendly. Maybe in a year we'll be there.

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