Piece of Shit Bitcoiners et al. Hall of Fame

[TPTB_need_war]

You know what's irrelevant? Trolling this thread with DRK-related bullshit.
How about we keep it clean and allow it to serves its purpose, not as an altcoin mud arena, but as a comprehensive list of actual scammers, that actually ripped off people.

Care to do disclosure given you are attacking the motivations of others?

He is defending Dash and showing your double standards, ignorance and naivety.
You are attacking and playing dumb because you have nothing important to do, it seems.

I am waiting for his AND YOUR sworn statements of disclosure.

Come on now boys. If you are so sure this is not a scam, then make your sworn disclosures about your involvement in it. Are you afraid of future SEC and FinCEN actions and thus afraid to disclosure. Hmmm.

Stop obfuscating with off topic diversionary tactics.

I am trying to rescue you idiots. But you are determined to dig own pathway to jail.

Wake up and see the light pronto for your own sake.

[TPTB_need_war]

With apologies, I've truly been under the weather. I now promise to dedicate an hour or two to this thread to... to... to do something. I believe I have a simple solution that I'll implement, with looking forward to feedback or backlash once in place.

Please continue the spirited convo, for this is non-self-moderated thread.

People can call you a scammer when you implement those simple solutions  

The "logic" (rationalization) of criminal is that everyone is a criminal so his actions are no worse than anyone else's. It is this warped mindset that is apparently held by 2.5% of the population.

You alone accuse every coin of being a scam.

Liar. Bitcoin, Litecoin and Monero do not appear to be scams to me. My angst against Monero was when they were in every coin's thread spamming everyone about how only Monero could win. And some Monerotards making prouncements about DA MOON.

My angst against Dash has grown as the lies and deception have grown. When I originally went to the DarkCoin thread as the behest of illodin, I told Evan that CoinJoin could be jammed (since I was the first one to point out in gmaxwell's CoinJoin thread that a blacklist couldn't work because the point of the mixer is to prevent tracking identity, duh!). Evan responded by designing masternodes. I left the thread thinking he is an amiable but dumb man, so let him go ahead. Then later I come to find out about the instamine and using the masternodes as a scheme to enrich the insiders. So that is why I have gone ballastic on Dash, because I should have shut that down from the start instead of appearing to have given it my blessing. And because of Evan's greed! He should have stopped but he analogous to all criminal mindsets think they can continue, so they push it too far and end up caught. The Evolution hype can keep the fools coming in to perpetuate the scheme, but eventually the scheme will blow up. Because you can't print money out of thin air and always make the fools pay the insiders without eventually it eating up all the capital that is dumb enough. Probably you have some people who think the dividends they are getting from masternoodes are enriching them, but that illusion will fall away and then it will be a stampede to the exits or just stuck there watching their price decline towards 0. Most likely what will finally kill Dash is when there is a good enough altcoin that everyone just says fuck these shitcoins.

goverments are  scams ...   https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20arrests

Be very careful. I fell into that trap over the past years and almost justified some shady ideas because "the entire system is scam". That is sliding into a criminal mindset and forsaking any ethical backbone. With that attitude, we all steal from each other and end up in a clusterfuck Dark Age. Step back from the ledge before it is too late and recover the ethics you learned as a child perhaps from your grandparents who came from the honorable generation before the boomers (assuming you are my age or older).

[lemmyK]

goverments are  scams ...   https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20arrests

[AlexGR]

Come on now boys. If you are so sure this is not a scam, then make your sworn disclosures about your involvement in it. Are you afraid of future SEC and FinCEN actions and thus afraid to disclosure. Hmmm.

Stop obfuscating with off topic diversionary tactics.

I am trying to rescue you idiots. But you are determined to dig own pathway to jail.

Wake up and see the light pronto for your own sake.

Thank you for your interest, if genuine. However, to quote Hillary Clinton (since you mentioned the Clintons a lot in some of your posts):

"It’s a stark fact that the United States has less than five percent of the world’s population, yet we have almost 25 percent of the world’s total prison population."

I'm in the 95%+ of the global population (=non US citizen). I'm also unaffected by the prison-mania of the USA, FinCEN, SEC etc. Not that if I were affected I would have something to worry about.

[Gleb Gamow]

Please read the new first paragraph of the OP which I've formulated in my mind while under the weather but was too sick to pen out of fear of getting the verbiage correct then, feeling comfortable with it now.

Feel free to suggest corrections to the prose or offer up a better solution.

I've started the augmented list below the fold. Please post or PM me the best links to advance your sentiments, whereupon I'll gladly include them all, again, out of complete fairness.

Thank you again for everybody's input.

[Lukas_Jackson]

The "logic" (rationalization) of criminal is that everyone is a criminal so his actions are no worse than anyone else's. It is this warped mindset that is apparently held by 2.5% of the population.

I totally agree. See smooth, some prominent monero supporters and your history posts.
You alone accuse every coin of being a scam.

Good night

[TPTB_need_war]

A lot is said about distribtion fairness of certain coins.
Do you want fairness? Give 7 billion people 1 coin each and check the distribution after few hours/days. Come back with your findings.

We all should know that wealth is power law distributed because most people spend rather than save[1].

However, there is competition within the 1 - 5% that control most of the wealth. So this is not valid rationalization for instamining to prevent the other 70 - 350 million savers from competing with you to obtain a fair distribution.

I warned you guys you will lose in a debate with me. My father is an very prolific attorney. I inherited the skill of debate. I don't typically start a debate (especially so forcefully as I have done here) unless I am sure I can win it.

[1] A. Dragulescu and V. Yakovenko. Exponential and power-law probability distributions of wealth and income in the United Kingdom and the United States

[AlexGR]

I warned you guys you will lose in a debate with me. My father is an very prolific attorney. I inherited the skill of debate. I don't typically start a debate (especially so forcefully as I have done here) unless I am sure I can win it.

1. Your debate starts and ends at the point where you consider Evan's actions immoral. You are entitled to think that and nobody can tell you anything about it.

2. Your debate is lost when you are saying things that are non-factual, like Evan ripping people off, and then citing "high quality" witnesses with "high quality" arguments, like those which have been presented so far.

[TPTB_need_war]

Come on now boys. If you are so sure this is not a scam, then make your sworn disclosures about your involvement in it. Are you afraid of future SEC and FinCEN actions and thus afraid to disclosure. Hmmm.

Stop obfuscating with off topic diversionary tactics.

I am trying to rescue you idiots. But you are determined to dig own pathway to jail.

Wake up and see the light pronto for your own sake.

Thank you for your interest, if genuine. However, to quote Hillary Clinton (since you mentioned the Clintons a lot in some of your posts):

"It’s a stark fact that the United States has less than five percent of the world’s population, yet we have almost 25 percent of the world’s total prison population."

I'm in the 95%+ of the global population (=non US citizen). I'm also unaffected by the prison-mania of the USA, FinCEN, SEC etc. Not that if I were affected I would have something to worry about.

If you feel so smug, then you can disclose fully then. But the problem is if you feel so smug, you can also lie in your disclosure.

I think you are going to be suprised how much the world changes towards coordinated government action across the G20 and beyond. There is a massive contagion underway that will really kick into high gear in 2018.

I think you will find that totalitarianism will increase for many years before it finally implodes around 2033. I think this will mean the governments will join together and double-down on boots on throats. I would not want to have your attitude.

But moreover, I would not want your sleazy ethics. We are supposed to be helping humanity here, not making schemes that deceive n00bs. Come on you know the "no victims" diversion is an attempt to be unethical. Instead make a plan to deceive the bastards who are abusing us, which can empower the n00bs. That is what I am doing.

[TPTB_need_war]

gmaxwell calls DASH harmful garbage and dysfunctional software:
* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642.msg10922949#msg10922949

It doesn't help when you claim something that Gmaxwell didn't write. He didn't state Dash in that post.

[TPTB_need_war]

Please forgive me for my slow responses today, as I can barely see. I gorged on pizza last night (delicious like coming upon an oasis in the desert after eating oatmeal & broccoli for weeks) and made me nearly blind this morning. I really need to stick with my strict diet. i am squinting and everything is so incredibly blurry.

I just don't see how pretending to not have committed scams can be tolerated. It would be different if Evan stopped lying about intentionally doing the instamine instead of claiming it was an accident which I have explained is implausible because every lead developer will be monitoring his coin carefully on launch to see the coins are being issued at the correct rate. It doesn't take hours to make that determination.

Implausible? DASH had a failed launch and RE-launched.

And he didn't notice that 32.1% of the long-term coin supply had been mined in less than 24 hours the second time

Within the first hour of launch, approximately 500,000 coins were mined, followed by another 1,000,000 coins in the next 7 hours and finally another 400,000 in 36 hours. All told 1.9 million coins were mined in 48 hours, or approximately 32% of a current supply (as of October 2015) of approximately 5.9 million

Yeah pretend to be totally incompetent as a nice deceptive way to hide a premine.

And I was born yesterday. And I have a bridge in China to sell you for 1000 DRK.

If you refuse to admit any sane comprehension of reality, then all I can conclude is you are a willful, unethical accomplice.

As for satoshi, the coins he controls are not 1% (or 150.000)... numbers floating around are in the range of 1mn+.

5% is not 32.1%. And because no one cared about crypto-currency, because he invented the entire sector. Evan invented only how to scam cleverly because there are many now who want to mine. And I dispute that 5% estimate.

3) Evan’s point in the above video is that, without the instamine Dash would not have captured the interest of it’s Founders.

Macno apparently deleted that post. Thanks for quoting him. Yeah Evan ostensibly realized the only way you can profit on a shitcoin is to sell out 32.1% to a small group of scammers who conspire together to P&D. Again I noticed Erik Voorhees (who already paid fines to the SEC) pumping Dash at a YouTube of a recent conference.

Whereas a coin with widespread adoption could make its inventor very wealthy with only 1% of the coin, which is ostensibly not enough to manipulate (P&D) the exchange market.


I will need to quit for the rest of the day. I'll be blind if I don't get off this computer now.

[Gleb Gamow]

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Why doesn't Kyle mention anything about DASH on his Linkedin page?

[Gleb Gamow]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1414944.msg14409192#msg14409192

I got to post 141 (above) and have done nothing but Googling since (pass ~3 hours). I now echo the sentiment expressed, but opt to err on the side of caution to be fair to Evan in keeping his name at the bottom of the list with links expressing both sides of the coin.

Aside: I will nuke this thread if it takes away too much of masturbation time.  

Gleb is usually so eager to pounce on almost anything as conclusive evidence, yet still isn't convinced Duffield is a PoS?

WTF?  

 

Again, I was under the weather and needed a clear head to tackle this issue.

[TPTB_need_war]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-hagan-b49b157

Why doesn't Kyle mention anything about DASH on his Linkedin page?

Apparently because Kyle was smart enough to get the fuck out of this Dash Mafia:

For me, the most telling part of his comments were "I never thought Darkcoin would get THIS far", his mentality was too small for the project.

I understand that this is a personal issue but the tone of the language used by Kyle in IRC made many people in the community including myself upset and angry. Kyle needs to understand that many have invested their time and money in this technology and any threat to this investment will not be taken lightly nor will be ignored. A person who has a known location, known identity, young children and other responsibilities should act smarter and avoid making unwanted attention by getting drunk and talking shit. That's all I can say publicly about this issue and urge Kyle Hagan be smart about what he does and talks in the future.

What did Kyle Hagan write that pissed off the Dash Mafia?

[WARNING] Don't ever talk badly about Darkcoin / DASH / The Darkcoin Foundation

no.

i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

good luck

[Gleb Gamow]

Could you two perhaps take your shitcoin shit slinging contest somewhere else perhaps? Just a suggestion.

I respectively disagree, feeling that the exchange between the two in this is welcomed.

I'm still under the weather unable to digest posts fully, but feel that the OP may need be amended to reflect both sentiments.

Your thread, you're the boss. If you have the patience to read all this who am I to argue  .

With apologies, I've truly been under the weather. I now promise to dedicate an hour or two to this thread to... to... to do something. I believe I have a simple solution that I'll implement, with looking forward to feedback or backlash once in place.

Please continue the spirited convo, for this is non-self-moderated thread.

WOW! I've been on this for exactly 4 hours since I posted above. I think I wore out Google. 

[Gleb Gamow]

On freenode people are talking about cachecoin being official currency to buy scrypt asics. As I want to invest in asics soon enough I wonder if this are only rumours or this is official? Any idea? Where can I buy the coins, is there any shop or similar accepting USD or BTC?

Sorry if this question sounds like a total idiot posting, I'm still new to all this.

Supposedly, the above was penned by Kyle Hagan, Evan's business partner for ~10 years. Evan's name is on the original Mt Gox dump circa 2012(?):

17948,eduffield,eduffield82@gmail.com,$1$IX8XnTys$G.gMzWBuZ0Lv.PjBL7ogU0

Kyle and Evan would've gotten involved in Bitcoin at virtually the same time.

Reference:

no.

i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

good luck

[TPTB_need_war]

I see you want to play legalese semantic games such as Bill Clinton's famous definition of what 'is' is. Okay.

I warned you guys you will lose in a debate with me. My father is an very prolific attorney. I inherited the skill of debate. I don't typically start a debate (especially so forcefully as I have done here) unless I am sure I can win it.

1. Your debate starts and ends at the point where you consider Evan's actions immoral. You are entitled to think that and nobody can tell you anything about it.

Please define the difference between a scam and unethical (and probably illegal in the USA and perhaps the EU at least) deception of investors?

2. Your debate is lost when you are saying things that are non-factual, like Evan ripping people off, and then citing "high quality" witnesses with "high quality" arguments, like those which have been presented so far.

Please define "ripping people off" unambiguously such that all those on the OP's list FACTUALLY qualify but Evan doesn't.


I warned you, and you are determined to make an asshat of yourself. I will await your definitions so I can skewer you to the wall for wasting my precious time.


(readers thanks to 5 organic eggs, bowl of broccoli, and copious amounts of freshly caught tuna tinola soup, my vision is back to normal ... very odd digestive system I have now ... my gf didn't prepare my normal food regimen yesterday)

[AlexGR]

Please define "ripping people off" unambiguously such that all those on the OP's list FACTUALLY qualify but Evan doesn't.

In most scams you can say

a) What the scam is
b) What is the financial size of the scam
c) Who are the victims of the scam / Who got ripped off
d) How much did the victims lose

Example (Karpeles):

a) "Losing" or stealing the money of investors and pretended to be hacked
b) 700k+ BTC / 700mn USD
c) People who had funds in his exchange
d) 700k+ BTC / 700mn USD collectively / individually 700k+ BTC divided by their respective deposits in cash or BTCs.

You can claim "scam" for any number of reasons but can't tell me (b), (c), (d).

[Johnny Mnemonic]

Please define "ripping people off" unambiguously such that all those on the OP's list FACTUALLY qualify but Evan doesn't.

In most scams you can say

a) What the scam is
b) What is the financial size of the scam
c) Who are the victims of the scam / Who got ripped off
d) How much did the victims lose

Except for ponzi/pyramid related schemes, in which case every scammer claims there are no victims.

[iCEBREAKER]

On freenode people are talking about cachecoin being official currency to buy scrypt asics. As I want to invest in asics soon enough I wonder if this are only rumours or this is official? Any idea? Where can I buy the coins, is there any shop or similar accepting USD or BTC?

Sorry if this question sounds like a total idiot posting, I'm still new to all this.

Supposedly, the above was penned by Kyle Hagan, Evan's business partner for ~10 years. Evan's name is on the original Mt Gox dump circa 2012(?):

17948,eduffield,eduffield82@gmail.com,$1$IX8XnTys$G.gMzWBuZ0Lv.PjBL7ogU0

Kyle and Evan would've gotten involved in Bitcoin at virtually the same time.

Reference:

no.

i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

good luck

Wow.  Vertoe unmasked as Kyle Hagen is one damn fine plot twist!

Here's more context and proof of the DashHole's bad faith.

First, they threatened Kyle's family when he left.  Second, Greg Maxwell confirms Duffield had no interest in technical discussion (only using the BTC core dev's name for Dash marketing).

and for the sake of kyle...who is kyle?

https://dashtalk.org/threads/kyle-hagan-is-no-longer-part-of-the-development-team.3225/

https://dashtalk.org/threads/kyle-hagan-is-no-longer-part-of-the-development-team.3225/#post-33461

I understand that this is a personal issue but the tone of the language used by Kyle in IRC made many people in the community including myself upset and angry. Kyle needs to understand that many have invested their time and money in this technology and any threat to this investment will not be taken lightly nor will be ignored.

A person who has a known location, known identity, young children and other responsibilities should act smarter and avoid making unwanted attention by getting drunk and talking shit. That's all I can say publicly about this issue and urge Kyle Hagan be smart about what he does and talks in the future.

Wow, the Evan's Gate cult enforcers act like Scientology when it comes to threatening anyone that dares to leave the compound.

WTF is with a community that threatens young children because they don't like a parent's "tone?"

The FBI should be having a very frank discussion with Evan and that Light creep.

 

Did you hear just what I said?  Please read it again. RATIONAL DISCUSSION

You are a disgrace even for the trolls

I gave you a link to RATIONAL DISCUSSION, in the form of #Bitcoin-wizards analyzing the various factors which make Dash "bad crypto."

That's what you asked for.

Anyway, lurkers are free to read it and decide for themselves:  https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2014-11-27/?msg=26349785&page=4

Oh look, gmax says Team DashHole was never interested in ACTUAL TECHNICAL DISCUSSION:

gmaxwell
they were only interested in paying me so they could attach my name to their project, not in actual technical discussions.

(they'd also used my name all over their stuff intially and I had to threaten to go around bad mouthing them to get it removed.)