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I will add "Gleb Gamow" because you are using unlicensed exchangers. :)

None of those from your list, was a financial licensed exchanger. So, those who used them, knew that there are risk. I don't care about them so your list is useless. :)

Use a financial licensed exchanger and you will have NO problems. Stop complaining about illegal exchangers while you encourage them by using their services.

Robert Keith Christopher Jr - CryptoRush

References:
1 (https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptorush-mt-gox-alt-coins/)
2 (This link has the word "drama" in the title, OP is going to approve that) (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21ejkh/scam_exchange_cryptorush_implodes_with_epic_drama)
3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rkpwg/exowner_of_cryptorush_hackshard_mining_pool_and/)

They handled very badly the withdrawals situation before closing, if I well remember, so they deserve a place here. And if I well remember, the person I referred to wasn't the only one responsible. Messy situation back then, and I don't quite remember everything.

Reading now and will probably add it. Thanks for the input, bud.

You're welcome. Since I'm at it, here's a bit more reading for you:

Alex Green/Ryan Kennedy, Ferdous Bhai, Mike Chu - Mintpal

References:
1 (http://www.coindesk.com/mintpal-fight-moolah-ceo-court/)
2 (http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/02/23/mintpal-scammer-ryan-kennedy-arrested-in-u-k-over-theft-of-3700-bitcoins/)
Link compilation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=824211.0)

Another messy situation... This time involving what seemed to be old partners and a legal fight between them.

What about Patrick Harnett and his Starfish BCB?

I wouldn't say that he started off as a Shit Bitcoiner but he sure ended up that way.

TradeFortress - not yet added hoping to have real name revealed

Yan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327178) Wang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=660664)

Yan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327178) Wang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=660664)

I will add "Gleb Gamow" because you are using unlicensed exchangers. :)

None of those from your list, was a financial licensed exchanger. So, those who used them, knew that there are risk. I don't care about them so your list is useless. :)

Use a financial licensed exchanger and you will have NO problems. Stop complaining about illegal exchangers while you encourage them by using their services.

Neither the first name nor the last name is correct for TF. You did get the ethnicity right though, as TF is Asian, or at least he has an Asian name. 

The list is reserved for those who were instrumental in substantially ripping off folks in the cryptocurrency space. Real names only unless warranted (e.g. TradeFortress - not yet added hoping to have real name revealed). Please provide links in cementing your claim. Refrain from suggesting staff of this forum unless the evidence is overwhelming (none come to mine for me at this penning). Feel free to offer up corrections and middle names for those listed below. Apologies for not providing links for all the entries.

In Alphabetical Order (surname):

Colin Armitt   (CryptoXchange)
Ken Armitt   (CryptoXchange)
Simon Barber   (HashFast)
Ferdous Bhai   (MintPal)
Bruce Bourne   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
John James Bridge/John Bridge/Johnny London/John MacLeod (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33d7l2/fraudsterscammer_alert_john_macleod_aka_john/)   (Bit Capital)
Shaun Bridges   (FBI)
Virginia "Ginny" Bryant   (Cryptsy)
Matt Carson   (Miner Source)
Mike Chu   (MintPal)
Eduardo deCastro   (HashFast)
Eric Allen Corlew   ([BTC-TC]BASIC-MINING (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130982.0))
Robert Keith Christopher Jr. (http://legacy.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/2014/12/22/lake-city-man-child-porn/20776261/)   (CryptoRush)
Jody Drake   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Valton Eason   (FinalHash)
John Fitzpatrick   (Exascale Power Co.)
Leroy Fodor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990219.0)   (StakeMiners)
Carl Force   (DEA)
Carlos Garza   (GAW Miners)
Homero Joshua Garza   (GAW Miners)
Nasser Ghoseiri   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Alex Green/Ryan Kennedy   (Moopay LTD)
John Hammes   (Cryptsy)
Patrick Harnett   (Starfish BCB)
Leonnel Chukwuka Iruke   (FinalHash)
Mark Karpeles   (Mt Gox)
Abram Kottmeier   (HashFast)
Yuri Lebedev   (Coin.mx)
Marshall Long   (FinalHash)
John MacPherson   (Cryptsy)
Chris Morrision   (FinalHash)
Nicholas Mullesch   (Cryptsy)
Anthony R. Murgio   (Coin.mx)
Jeffrey Scott Ownby   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Joe Russell   (HashFast)
Trendon T. Shavers   (Bitcoin Savings and Trust - BTCST)
Jim Shockney   (Cryptsy)
John Skrodenis   (HashFast)
Alex Suvo   (Black Arrow)
Tài Tưng Tửng   (StakeMiners)
Paul Vernon   (Cryptsy)
Sonny Vleisides   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Yan Wang   (TradeFortress <--acting as temp placeholder) This entry needs verification!
Tom Williams   (MyBitcoin)
Amy Woodward   (HashFast)
Craig Steven Wright   (DeMorgan Ltd.)
Josh Ryan Zerlan   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Michael Zinck   (StakeMiners)
Joshua Zipkin   (Advanced Mining Technologies - AMT)

<That should be enough from me for now to get your creative juices a flowin'. I'll delete this line when this thread hits two pages.>

Mike Chu   (MintPal)

Please provide links in cementing your claim.

I wonder how many new additions are gonna be added in the coming year or two.

I was wondering when such a list was going to show up eventually. However, it does not have a 'strong case' without presented evidence. In order to simplify, it would be best to add a link or two for each person listed.


I don't think that there should be that many more. Hopefully at least some people have learned their lessons.

Might like to add Friedcat aka Xinyu Jiang & Rock Xie for the AsicMiner scam.

Details - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.0

Excellent Doxx'ing, Gleb.  It pains my eyes to see so many knucklefucks lined up in a row, but there you have it.  Glad I don't personally know any of these folks--I hope justice gets served in the Cryptsy case.  Eventually.

Don't forget Erik Voorhees and his FeedZBirds ripoff. He was also involved in an IPO that lost thousands of bitcoiner funds because it was illegally operated and involved with the former illegal BitInstant who bypassed laws to help fund the Silk Road consignment store.

Are you limiting to bitcoin only? Who could forget:

Josh Garza (GAWMiners)
Jason Hudgins (Fibonacci)
Cristian Schipor (Litecoin GEAR)

references (https://bitcoinnewsmagazine.com/top-5-cryptocurrency-scams-of-2014/)

Piece of Shit Bitcoiners et al. Hall of Fame ...

Excellent Doxx'ing, Gleb.  It pains my eyes to see so many knucklefucks lined up in a row, but there you have it.

Here is a solid link for Garza if you need one:

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2015/comp23415.pdf

Edit: and even better one for lil' bro Carlos:

https://www.docdroid.net/VM03uAd/1-4.pdf.html

Wow, the extensive list is extensive. Nice job to help new people avoid scams, I'll probably be checking this every time I do a risky trade after now. ;D

Hey, how do you like the part where it's I who created the list, thus my name won't be included in the OP, and if anybody else starts a similar list/thread which includes my name, I simply blow theymos and have the new thread nuked.  ;D ;D ;D

bips.me

thread


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341682.msg3660121#msg3660121


more then 1 million in coins at the time.

this is one of the few scams that caught me  .4 btc which was about 400 usd at the time


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252308.msg3622384#msg3622384

KRIS = his name


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11921


he still owes me 400 usd  and is the worst rip off that happened to me.

Matt Carson also involved in the Oregon Mines scam which started after he finished with Miners Source. see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1065198.0  >:(

He is also the creator and CEO of the instant bitcoin and altcoin exchange ShapeShift.io, having founded and operated it under the alias Beorn Gonthier, until revealing his true involvement with the company, as part of a seed funding announcement, in March 2015. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Voorhees)

http://cointelegraph.com/news/altcoin-merchant-boost-shapeshift-brings-litecoin-into-the-retail-world


Damn it, CBF, I like Eric. But, in the spirit of fairness, I will gladly add him to the list if at least one other steps forward and presents a definitive argument as to why Eric Voorhees should be considered a Piece of Shit in the Bitcoin/Crypto space.

That said, unless heavily persuaded, I plan on using ShareShift for a project I'm currently working on.

Thank you kindly for the input, CBH. Tell the misses I said hi.

He's hiding his identity because he knows his name is shit with a lot of bitcoiners.

I hear you, but Trendon Shavers ran an illegal security. Voorhees ran an illegal security. Just because Shavers wasn't crafty enough to return a bulk of the funds to investors right before he was caught doesn't make his crime different. It just means Voorhees was more crafty than Shavers and had a better legal team. That makes him even more dangerous.

The difference between Shavers and Voorhees is a matter of semantics. They were both selling unregistered securities. Shavers became a Ponzi when he failed to return at least a bulk of the money. Voorhees was bright enough to get legal advise. I think they should have gone after him for FeedZeBirds too. He's obviously got a great legal team. Where's the 2,600 Bitcoins for FeedZeBirds Erik?

Though the SEC investigation alleges that Erik Voorhees profited over $15,000 from his sale of unregistered offerings, the total settlement cost more than $50,000.  In the conclusion to the SEC investigation, Erik Voorhees agreed to pay a full disgorgement of his profits of $15,843.98 plus a penalty of $35,000.  Additionally, Voorhees has committed to not participating “in any issuance of any security in an unregistered transaction in exchange for any virtual currency including Bitcoin for a period of five years.”  However, it is important to note that Voorhees has consented to the SEC ban and the SEC monetary penalty “without admitting or denying the SEC’s findings". FeedZeBirds is another Bitcoin security that Erik Voorhees offered on the Bitcoin Forum prior to his fundraising for Satoshi Dice.  Like his Satoshi Dice IPO, FeedZeBirds was advertised on the Bitcoin Forum and raised 2,600 bitcoins in May of 2012. Unlike Shavers he was also crafty enough to run away to Panama (a non-extradition country for financial crimes) just before he was arrested and indicted. Nothing says guilty turd like running from the law.

Remember Ryan Kennedy, AKA Alex Green? He’s the former Moolah chief who got arrested in the UK last year on charges of stealing circa $1.8 million worth of bitcoin. Well, he’s back in custody on a different charge altogether. Local media in the UK, specifically the town of Bristol, reported that Kennedy has just been arrested on rape and sexual assault charges.

The Bristol Post documented a court appearance that took place on February 1, 2016, at which Kennedy was accused of fourteen total charges; among them rape, sexual activity without consent and various other sexual assault related charges.

We don’t know yet how the case will play out, and obviously are not n a position to comment on the likelihood of his guilt, but we know the charges cover the period 2007-2015, and that Kennedy has plead not guilty to all of them. We also know there are five separate women involved, each of which has accused him of rape at least once.

Information is pretty thin on the ground at the moment, but we’ll stay on top of the story and bring you any developments as they happen. As things stand, he’s in custody, and it looks as though he will stay there until litigation commences – scheduled for a May start.

For those readers not familiar with Ryan Kennedy, he is commonly referred to as the man who killed dogecoin. A few years back he started handing out large dogecoin tips to seemingly random users on Reddit, and used the reputation this errant him to raise the money to expand and maintain an exchange Kennedy was running called Moolah.

After a successful period, he set out to buy another exchange – MintPal – which was reelig from a security breach, with the (stated) goal of improving the platform’s security and expanding its userbase. He raised more money to do so, and took a 35% stake in MintPal through his company Moolah. They set about the task, but the exchange failed miserably, dogged by technical issues and shut down after a matter of days’ post-relaunch.

Then things got bad. People started reporting that they couldn’t withdraw capital, rumors spread that Kennedy (at that time he was going by the pseudonym Alex Green) was not who he said he was, and Syscoin, an altcoin organization that at one time held up to $200,000 with the exchange, started litigation for recovery.

Shortly after, Green came out as being Kennedy, shut down the exchange, declared Moolah bankrupt and – essentially – disappeared. For a while he claimed he was processing withdrawals (we’ve never seen any evidence of this so we can’t really comment on the validity of these claims), but then in February last year, and as mentioned, UK authorities arrested him on charges related to the Syscoin funds.

Taken from http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/02/08/bitcoin-scammer-kennedy-aka-green-arrested-on-sexual-assault-charges/

I also don't see Alberto Armandi from Bitscalper or Andrew Nollan of BitArb/Shades Minoco. Also Leandro Cesar of Bitcoin Rain.

I also don't see Alberto Armandi from Bitscalper or Andrew Nollan of BitArb/Shades Minoco. Also Leandro Cesar of Bitcoin Rain.

concrete

Here you go:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Concrete_silos_in_autumn.jpg

Sorry, I got nothing on Marchenko, but here is a couple more:

Sergey Mavrodi (MMM)

http://siliconangle.com/blog/2016/02/29/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-mmm-bitcoin-scam/

Ruja Ignatova (OneCoin) - could be a fake person, but the scam is real. You can find many other names linked to this scam if you google around.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/one-coin-much-scam-onecoin-exposed-as-global-mlm-ponzi-scheme

Above complete.

QA, please give me something concrete to peg Vladimir Marchenko with. I'm echoing the sentiment, but still at a lost, losing mega masturbation time seeking a definitive source to peg.

I looked for some info on the original bitcoin magazine sale scam and his ASIC mining scam and couldn't find them either. Maybe we can make a new list later for "scumbags you shouldn't trust" or something like that. lol

Also, look up the scams of Deathandtaxes and cypherdoc. Their real names are out there but I can't remember them right now. Cypherdoc is a ballsy one. He fucked over Greg Maxwell. lol

PS: the wife said to say hi back at you. She said to tell you to stop wearing pink tutus. Black is more your color. rofl

How about

Pankaj Bhardwaj (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1359877.0) (escrow.ms)

Eric Charn Hung Lew (Lau) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13819374#msg13819374) (Master-P) nevermind

I think I know more scammers by name than I have friends IRL... pathetic me.

How is that Evan Duffield from Dash is not on this list, when smooth and others documented his ninjamine scam and then changing the planned coin supply to much less than was originally touted so that he and insiders owned most of the coins, and then creating a masternode design for Dash to pay more coins to those who own the most coins, thus a steady supply of selling coins to n00bs and then paying more coins themselves.

The alleged ongoing scam is allegedly perpetrated via to a great extent trading BTC for DRK, so should be included in this Bitcoin Hall of Shame.

Here's something interesting: TheRealSolid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=102245


Hover over "Reference" and see where it links to. It redirects to https://btc-e.com/

Domain expired and they grabbed it 'cause it's such a respectable site?  ;D

Why is Craig Steven Wright on this list? Has anyone documented a scam? I remember him schooling Nick Szabo on Turing completeness.

What an excellent idea! Hey, you wanna go halfies with me when StakeMiners.com and Cryptsy.com expire?

How is that Evan Duffield from Dash is not on this list, when smooth and others documented his ninjamine scam and then changing the planned coin supply to much less than was originally touted so that he and insiders owned most of the coins, and then creating a masternode design for Dash to pay more coins to those who own the most coins, thus a steady supply of selling coins to n00bs and then paying more coins themselves.

The alleged ongoing scam is allegedly perpetrated via to a great extent trading BTC for DRK, so should be included in this Bitcoin Hall of Shame.

@Gleb Gamow, this is what TPTB_need_war is referring to:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0

Smoothie's post doesn't contain any evidence in my opinion.

Gleb, when I see you posting this types of things I wonder how your storing this data.  I imagine you having a room with post its and strings.  If you haven't looked into Neo4j, check it out, it's a free graph database.  You can create nodes (nosql records of any data) and connect them with as many arbitrary relationships as you want.   The relationships themselves can have properties example:

[Josh] ----- Fucked a ----> [Rabbit] ---  eats --> [Grass] <--- sprayed with --- [Monsanto Herbicide]

You can then visualize these nodes and relationships and ask things like "Is Josh connected to Monsanto ?" and see the path.  It's good at answering the how am I connected to Kevin Bacon question.  I haven't used it for a long time but it was easy to setup and has a web interface to visualize and add data.  May be able to find connections not obvious when the data sets get large.

Alluded to being Satoshi Nakamoto, then left Australia for supposedly the UK to avoid a 3-LA investigation.

You forgot:

Satoshi Nakamoto ("Bitcoin is debased less than gold!" lie)
Satoshi Nakamoto ("Bitcoin is decentralized" lie)


In case nb00bs haven't noticed, all during Bitcon's current life it has been double-digit debased which transfers to Chinese miners who control 67% of the hashrate (who have already 51% attacked disallowing any block size increase) and who have $50 per BTC costs and dump the coins at huge profits to siphon our Libertarian capital away to China's Communism. And then there is Larry Summers, Blythe Masters et al gunning for their share of our ass raping with 21 Inc, etc..

@Gleb Gamow, this is what TPTB_need_war is referring to:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0

Smoothie's post doesn't contain any evidence in my opinion.

Can you add Bruno Kucinskas aka Gleb Gamow to your list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.0).

Wow, how did I miss that thread!

It's all fun, isn't it?

If you are going to base this list on such flimsy hearsay and on idolizing "Satoshi" (who was probably an elite team of special agents within the DEEP STATE) to the extent that you must attack any man who belittles your misbelief that Satoshi is God, then I will disrespect your list for its lack of objectivity.

Cyberpinoy is a scammer though. I don't know how much of it I believe. Some of it, like having a beer with a young girl when you were a young guy is like, who cares. I guess you need to live through the 70s and 80s to get that. Being broke and having lapsed insurance and reg is also like, so what. The pieces of shit on this forum have stolen millions from people. 

He also demonstrated that he is smarter than Nick Szabo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1284083.msg13239420#msg13239420). And thus his claim of being involved in Bitcoin since early on may be true. He did not claim to be Satoshi, but his colleague who died might have been (but I doubt it). You have no proof on why he acted on the advice of his attorneys nor any proof or strong evidence of wrongdoing.

If you are going to base this list on such flimsy hearsay and on idolizing "Satoshi" (who was probably an elite team of special agents within the DEEP STATE) to the extent that you must attack any man who belittles your misbelief that Satoshi is God, then I will disrespect your list for its lack of objectivity.

To me it is absolutely unfair to put a decent person like Evan Duffield on that list.
He adresses the accusations at 9:50 of this interview with Trace Mayer, audiatur est altera pars:

http://www.bitcoin.kn/2016/02/dash-lead-developer-evan-duffield-discusses-cryptocurrency-experimentation/

Can you add Bruno Kucinskas aka Gleb Gamow to your list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.0).

Cyberpinoy is a scammer though. I don't know how much of it I believe. Some of it, like having a beer with a young girl when you were a young guy is like, who cares. I guess you need to live through the 70s and 80s to get that. Being broke and having lapsed insurance and reg is also like, so what. The pieces of shit on this forum have stolen millions from people.  

Can you add Bruno Kucinskas aka Gleb Gamow to your list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.0).

Dude, are you seriously declaring with your verbiage that Craig Steven Wright is not a Piece of Shit? By your reasoning, John Fritzpatrick should be taken off the list as well for all the work he almost done in almost donating billions (with a B) to Oregon University resulting in two resignations.

To be fair, Evan can come here and once again state his case, whereupon I may further amend the list in the OP (go see the edit now).

How is that Evan Duffield from Dash is not on this list, when smooth and others documented his ninjamine scam and then changing the planned coin supply to much less than was originally touted so that he and insiders owned most of the coins, and then creating a masternode design for Dash to pay more coins to those who own the most coins, thus a steady supply of selling coins to n00bs and then paying more coins themselves.

The alleged ongoing scam is allegedly perpetrated via to a great extent trading BTC for DRK, so should be included in this Bitcoin Hall of Shame.

The list is reserved for those who were instrumental in substantially ripping off folks in the cryptocurrency space.

If you are going to base this list on such flimsy hearsay and on idolizing "Satoshi" (who was probably an elite team of special agents within the DEEP STATE) to the extent that you must attack any man who belittles your misbelief that Satoshi is God, then I will disrespect your list for its lack of objectivity.

you may add ALL the unlicensed exchangers like Bitstamp, BTC china, Okcoin, Bitfinex, Btc-e and many others who are doing illegal financial transactions. aren't they Shit Bitcoiners? Yes, they are. :)

who cares about these persons while 90% from the BTC is used for illegal transactions(black market)? :)

here, the hypocrisy is in its house :)

so many bitcoin frauder,and this should become lesson to all people that reputation is number one on our world,and i never know about this guy how can mintpal people become shit when the exchange look like smooth and safe :(

Regarding Evan, remember that:


1. Is there anyone who can claim he has been ...ripped off by Evan, directly or indirectly, due to the ...instamine? Not to mention the mathematical impossibility of it (first coins coins were at 0.000025 btc, now it's floating around 0.017-0.018 btc - so it's impossible to have lost money due to the instamine). The biggest scams (or hacks) affecting darkcoin (now dash) were all exchange-related. Ccex, mintpal, cryptsy - in that order.

2. Regarding supply reduction: Initial specs were for 84mn coins. When the diff formula was applied to reduce reward with increase in hashing, the theoretical max went down to ~10mn. Then Evan changed it back to 84mn to account for the problem with the new formula with users "bitching" they preferred the 10mn:

2a) User "bitching" for the 10mn to 84mn increase: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5455971#msg5455971

2b) Evan explaining why it was set back to 84mn (that was not a fixed number - it would be variable, depending the hash difficulty - meaning it could go over 100mn) instead of 10mn: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5457829#msg5457829

2c) A few days later, a poll was done to settle the supply issue in terms of a high or a low limit (otherwise it would still be at 84mn or more). It was settled by the users in favor of a lower limit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525093.0

3. Regarding initial distribution and fixing it. Evan proposed an airdrop to that effect. He was flamed and attacked by members of the community for even thinking and proposing such a thing, with rage quits etc etc. The poll result is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559932.0 (rejecting Evan's airdrop fix proposal)

What would be the purpose of the IC (or breakaway people) inventing Bitcoin? To break it with quantum computing at the appropriate time?

I've been hinting at that for months and finally an astute reader articulates it.

If you are wondering who created Bitcoin though, I think more likely the globalist DEEP STATE (http://billmoyers.com/episode/the-deep-state-hiding-in-plain-sight/) funded by the $trillions Black Budget (http://www.documentarytube.com/articles/the-black-budget--a-conspiracy-theory-turned-out-to-be-true) and knowing full well they could hide their capture of Bitcoin blaming it on the "enemy". Nick Rockefeller (the one who warned Aaron Russo about 9/11 before it happened (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Wsb4qBckU)) has been spending most of his time in China.

The poor fools who lost their lunch money on the P&D, are probably gone from our community, never to return again.


Yeah let's invent some sockpuppet accounts to pretend their are "users" begging to not keep the supply as what was promised, when in all mathematical likelihood these "users" are the very few insiders who mined the fuck out of the instamine and of course they don't want to be diluted by what was originally promised. This BS is just part of the scam.


Evan has a lie for every occasion and a spin on every lie he told to try to repaint historical facts as totally opposite of what they were. He is Slick Willy.


Sockpuppets.


Sockpuppets.

So now I know you AlexGR are inside on the scam, because you are too smart to not know the above.

The list is reserved for those who were instrumental in substantially ripping off folks in the cryptocurrency space.

...

Do you still suck your thumb also  ???

Are flies just randomly aimlessly flying when they get stuck in the honey.

Are criminals orders-of-magnitude more likely to break into homes that have no security system and especially when they use social networking to know which families are on vacation.

Some people need to get out more and learn about the world.

A criminal mind is always looking for a rationalization within which they can justify the odds of doing unethical and often illegal activities, and try to get away with it. An upstanding person, just doesn't get involved in such things because they are careful not to. There are some hardcore pumpers here who obviously accomplice scammers, and then there are those who are just at edge of falling into the abyss but hopefully won't (e.g. illodin @ Dash).

Has Evan "substantially ripped off" anyone in order to be in a list where actual scammers that stole people's money are in?

Of course Evan and his accomplices such as yourself have succeeded in defrauding those who bought the P&D when the price rose to nosebleed levels and then crashed.

Come on, don't think you can get away with that shit with me. Slime-ball AlexGR you are out-of-league trying to debate me. You will lose.

Some people don't seem to know the definition of 'racisim' and conflate it with 'nationalism' or 'patriotism'. They also seem to lack reading comprehension (at least of the English language). I wrote upthread that the G20 had pledged to coorperate to enforce each others' laws on financial crimes. Someone seems to conflate a mutual respect for each nations' laws as stating the USA is dominating the other members of the G20. If anything, it it the old world banksters from Europe and London such as the Rothschilds who are controlling the USA.

So the ethnic Russian totalitarian developer of IOTA threatens to report me to authorities to attempt to violate my free speech rights.  ::)

Why not just inject me with some plutonium with the tip of an umbrella (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko); would be more efficient.

I hope readers are paying attention to nefarious actors we have here in cryptoland. And to the danger of being murdered or otherwise attacked personally simply for attempting to share the facts on the law that is. And for calling out scams and the criminal mindset of a small subset of the population (apparently a large percentage of which live in countries behind the former Iron Curtain where ostensibly corruption is the norm and is apparently engrained in the culture).

Could you two perhaps take your shitcoin shit slinging contest somewhere else perhaps? Just a suggestion.

It is actually not about a "shitcoin" and its merits, but about libelous accusations against an individual. As AlexGR eloquently explained, it is not about Dish, but about Evan Duffield the more or less public individual. The question raised is, whether Evan Duffield is a "piece of shit" or not.
The purpose of this thread is to establish a pillory, which can be problematic in itself, but the OP seems to be open and fair and allow discussions, which I applaud, because otherwise it would turn into a mudslinging contest. In german we call that "Rufmord", which Google translates as "character assassination", which is a criminal offense where I come from. TBTP is intelligent and his accusations have a superficial plausability, though no falsifiability, hence they remain claims. It`s malevolent "in dubio contra reo". Those allegations have to be countered out of sheer sense of fairness, which is what AlexGR is doing with remarkable patience and grace.

Nobody got ripped off.

I was hoping to have some more feedback from you on the logo progress. I drove all the way over here this morning to read your feedback on all the messages I sent you yesterday.

On a decentralized individual basis, each person can take their risk w.r.t. to downloading Youtubes, but a company profiting off stealing from another company is definitely a way to show the world we are not for protecting intellectual property rights; as well making us very liable for a lawsuit. It is also makes us look weak as if we have no real viable business model other than theft.

I am criticizing myself also for contemplating shady ideas in the recent past. I have come to see that I was developing (sliding towards) a criminal mindset and had conflated it with being in support of freedom. The epiphany for me came when I realized that decentralized file storage would essentially destroy creative property rights and thus plunge society into a Dark Age of stealing from ourselves. There is a way to disrupt the RIAA and other monopolies without stealing from ourselves. That is what our startup will do. And besides, decentralized whatever won't stop the government from taking control by restricting the onramps and internet. Useless ideology that is Dark Age directed, is not the path forward for humanity. The better way is to provide a viable ecosystem that the masses can rally around. TPTB can't ban what is popular.

Ah the political correctness and slander liability concern. Evan fooled me at the start too because he is amiable (though I now realize it is fake and devious). I hate when someone uses me to commit a scam. He crossed me. If Evan wants to bring me to court in the USA, then I will demand all of his records so I can open the entire scam details to public knowledge, so he will never do that. I can subpoena the records of the exchanges involved, etc.. Much better if one of those scammers does sue me! Especially after I have a lot of money some months from now.

It is actually not about a "shitcoin" and its merits,

but about libelous accusations against an individual. As AlexGR eloquently explained, it is not about Dish, but about Evan Duffield the more or less public individual.

The question raised is, whether Evan Duffield is a "piece of shit" or not.

The purpose of this thread is to establish a pillory, which can be problematic in itself, but the OP seems to be open and fair and allow discussions, which I applaud, because otherwise it would turn into a mudslinging contest. In german we call that "Rufmord", which Google translates as "character assassination", which is a criminal offense where I come from. TBTP is intelligent and his accusations have a superficial plausability, though no falsifiability

The list is reserved for those who were instrumental in substantially ripping off folks in the cryptocurrency space. Real names only unless warranted (e.g. TradeFortress - not yet added hoping to have real name revealed). Please provide links in cementing your claim. Refrain from suggesting staff of this forum unless the evidence is overwhelming (none come to mine for me at this penning). Feel free to offer up corrections and middle names for those listed below. Apologies for not providing links for all the entries. Adding links (ongoing).

In Alphabetical Order (surname):

Nigel Allan (http://cointelegraph.com/news/one-coin-much-scam-onecoin-exposed-as-global-mlm-ponzi-scheme)   (OneCoin)
Logan Anderson   (Cryptsy)
Tomas Andzelis (http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/01/23/millions-stolen-inside-the-elaborate-uᴉoɔʇᴉq-scams-of-tadas-kasputis-egopay-virtex-com-paymentbase/)   (EgoPay)
Alberto Armandi (http://codinginmysleep.com/lessons-learned-from-the-bdt-fiasco/)   (Bitdaytrade - BDT)
Colin Armitt   (CryptoXchange)
Ken Armitt   (CryptoXchange)
Simon Barber   (HashFast)
Eva Bartošová (http://thehackernews.com/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-thomas-arrested.html?m=1)   (Sheep Marketplace)
Ferdous Bhai   (MintPal)
Pankaj Bharadwaj (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Card-frauds-used-moondollars-to-trade-money/articleshow/50922983.cms)   (escrow.ms (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=76380))
Bruce Bourne   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Jason Boyko (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418183.msg9748560#msg9748560)   (Digital Mining Store / PB Mining)
Danny Brewster (https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/neo-bee-employees-expose-truth-about-danny-brewster/)   (Neo & Bee)
John James Bridge/John Bridge/Johnny London/John MacLeod (https://www.reddit.com/r/uᴉoɔʇᴉq/comments/33d7l2/fraudsterscammer_alert_john_macleod_aka_john/)   (Bit Capital)
Shaun Bridges   (FBI)
Simon A. Bright (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822750.0)   (Hashra)
Virginia "Ginny" Bryant (http://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.foopile.com)   (Cryptsy)
John Carley (https://bitcoinnewsmagazine.com/top-5-cryptocurrency-scams-of-2014/)   (uᴉoɔʇᴉq Trader)
Matt Carson   (Miner Source)
Eduardo de Castro   (HashFast)
Leandro César (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46750.msg3607991#msg3607991)   (uᴉoɔʇᴉq Rain)
Thierry Charlemagne (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173703.msg14348019#msg14348019)   (Cryptsy)
Kerim Chikhi   (Bitmine AG (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1016257))
Robert Keith Christopher Jr. (http://legacy.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/2014/12/22/lake-city-man-child-porn/20776261/)   (CryptoRush)
Mike Chu   (MintPal)
Eric Allen Corlew   ([BTC-TC]BASIC-MINING (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130982.0))
Marc Coumans (http://www.coindesk.com/mining-asics-technologies-bankrupt/)   (Mining ASICs Technologies - MAT)
Gerald Davis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998257)   (BitSimple)
Jody Drake   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Evan Duffield (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886)   (Dish) see this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1414944.msg14370613#msg14370613)
Valton Eason   (FinalHash)
John Fitzpatrick (http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2015/08/post_28.html)   (Exascale Power Co.)
Leroy Fodor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990219.0)   (StakeMiners)
Katrina Fodor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990219.0)   (StakeMiners)
Carl Force   (DEA)
Judge Katherine Forrest (https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/getting-know-silk-road-judge-will-decide-fate-ross-ulbricht/)   (Ross Ulbricht trial)
Carlos Garza (https://www.docdroid.net/VM03uAd/1-4.pdf.html)   (GAW Miners)
Homero Joshua Garza (https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2015/comp23415.pdf)   (GAW Miners)
Nasser Ghoseiri   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Alex Green aka Ryan Kennedy (http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/02/08/uᴉoɔʇᴉq-scammer-kennedy-aka-green-arrested-on-sexual-assault-charges/)   (Moopay LTD)
Sebastian Greenwood (http://cointelegraph.com/news/one-coin-much-scam-onecoin-exposed-as-global-mlm-ponzi-scheme)   (OneCoin)
Mantas Gustys (http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/01/23/millions-stolen-inside-the-elaborate-uᴉoɔʇᴉq-scams-of-tadas-kasputis-egopay-virtex-com-paymentbase/)   (EgoPay)
John Hammes   (Cryptsy)
Patrick Harnett   (Starfish BCB)
Jason A. Hudgins (https://bitcoinnewsmagazine.com/top-5-cryptocurrency-scams-of-2014/)   (Fibonacci)
Dr. Ruja Ignatova (http://cointelegraph.com/news/one-coin-much-scam-onecoin-exposed-as-global-mlm-ponzi-scheme)   (OneCoin)
Leonnel Chukwuka Iruke   (FinalHash)
Ravi Iyengar (http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/01/12/c7-sues-uᴉoɔʇᴉq-mining-firm-cointerra-for-unpaid-colo-services/)   (CoinTerra)
Jeff Jennings (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822750.msg10907319#msg10907319)   (LifeforcePools)
Xinyu Jiang   (ASICMiner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=979209.msg10685051#msg10685051))
Thomas Jiřikovský (http://thehackernews.com/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-thomas-arrested.html?m=1)   (Sheep Marketplace)
Mark Karpeles   (Mt Gox)
Tadas Kasputis (http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/01/23/millions-stolen-inside-the-elaborate-uᴉoɔʇᴉq-scams-of-tadas-kasputis-egopay-virtex-com-paymentbase/)   (EgoPay)
Abram Kottmeier   (HashFast)
Kris (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1085582.0;topicseen)   (BIPS (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341682.msg3661216#msg3661216)) seeking last or real name
Yuri Lebedev   (Coin.mx)
Eric Charn Hung Lew (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.0)   (uᴉoɔʇᴉq escrow service)
Terry Li (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1237102.msg12897939#msg12897939)   (HalleyBTC/ZeusHash/ZeusMiner)
Marshall Long   (FinalHash)
Marc A. Lowe (http://hashfast.org/Marc_A._Lowe)   (HashFast)
John MacPherson   (Cryptsy)
Sergey Mavrodi (http://siliconangle.com/blog/2016/02/29/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-mmm-uᴉoɔʇᴉq-scam/)   (MMM)
Giorgio Massarotto   (Bitmine AG (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1016257))
James McCarthy   (GLBSE)
Paulius Meskauskas (http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/01/23/millions-stolen-inside-the-elaborate-uᴉoɔʇᴉq-scams-of-tadas-kasputis-egopay-virtex-com-paymentbase/)   (EgoPay)
Chris Morrision   (FinalHash)
Nicholas P. Mullesch (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173703.msg14347819#msg14347819)   (Hashing Supply Company LLC)
Anthony R. Murgio   (Coin.mx)
Lorie Ann Nettles   (Cryptsy)
Andrew Nollan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576337.msg6289801#msg6289801)   (Shades Minoco)
Jeffrey Scott Ownby   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Bruce Peterson   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Joe Russell   (HashFast)
Cristian ‘Chris’ Ilie Schipor (https://bitcoinnewsmagazine.com/top-5-cryptocurrency-scams-of-2014/)   (Lightcoin GEAR)
Erik Schryvers (http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/01/23/millions-stolen-inside-the-elaborate-uᴉoɔʇᴉq-scams-of-tadas-kasputis-egopay-virtex-com-paymentbase/)   (Virtex)
Trendon T. Shavers   (uᴉoɔʇᴉq Savings and Trust - BTCST)
Sumair Sheikh (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Card-frauds-used-moondollars-to-trade-money/articleshow/50922983.cms)   (ATM heights kingpin)
Jim Shockney   (Cryptsy)
Jay Shore   (Coinabul)
John Skrodenis   (HashFast)
Alex Suvo   (Black Arrow)
Tài Tưng Tửng   (StakeMiners)
Paul Vernon   (Cryptsy)
Sonny Vleisides   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Erik Voorhees (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1414944.msg14354385#msg14354385)   (FeedZBirds)
Yan Wang   (TradeFortress <--acting as temp placeholder) name needs verification
Anthony Watson (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1417010.msg14354456#msg14354456)   (BitReserve)
Tom Williams   (MyBitcoin)
Michael Wilterdink (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990219.0)   (StakeMiners)
Amy Woodward   (HashFast)
Craig Steven Wright   (DeMorgan Ltd.)
Rock Xie   (AmHash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=984703))
Josh Ryan Zerlan   (Butterfly Labs - BFL)
Michael Zinck   (StakeMiners)
Joshua Zipkin   (Advanced Mining Technologies - AMT)

And to preemptively respond to AlexGR, his victims are every person who has ever used Dash thinking their transactions would be private or untraceable. He's a snake oil salesman.

Just woke up to this :( How many hours have I lost? Oh, well.  Time to git pull and launch it again.

To me it is absolutely unfair to put a decent person like Evan Duffield on that list.
He adresses the accusations at 9:50 of this interview with Trace Mayer, audiatur est altera pars:

http://www.bitcoin.kn/2016/02/dash-lead-developer-evan-duffield-discusses-cryptocurrency-experimentation/

Hello,

We’re a startup looking for 1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup.

We will be able to provide more information about the project after signing a non-compete/non-disclosure agreement. Our coin will be one of the truly unique coins that are not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code. In short the project will be a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem.

If you have added any features to Bitcoin or related technologies this is a definite bonus. Please include information about the work you’re done in the space.

We have detailed plans on how to implement it and the roles we are looking to fill. If interested please email eduffield82 <at> gmail.com with a description of your work experience and we’ll vett the applications and share our plans to see if you’re interested.

Thanks,

Evan & Kyle

Hawk Financial Group, LLC

I was just thinking about this for a coin I am considering making... I think it's a good idea for the following reasons.

* Primecoin started out very low performance and the community took it upon themselves to improve it.
* If the coin is a really good idea, people will adapt your c# to cython/c/c++ to gain an advantage and after the advantage is leaving they would open source it

I think this would basically add 1 extra step to the arms race that happens with new coins. I.e, Bytecode, machine code, GPU, ASICs, etc.

But that is not the same as ripping off people's money. That is just a shitcoin, which is not the criteria here.

We don't know if those who claim to be Evan supporters are sockpuppets and/or those insiders who profited on the scheme.

The real victims are those who have sold for less than they paid at the expense of the insiders who sell to pocket Bitcoin and then get the DRK tokens back again for free via their control over masternodes. It is an endless supply of new fools who might actually be HODLing for the Evolutoin P&D, and their funds are being given to the insiders. They all hope there are some greater fools to sell the Evolution pump to. In short, there can't be a non-manipulated market in this current scam structure.

If someone is negatively biased, he will find anything he wants to crucify another. For example:

Say an investor or Evan sells some of his coins: "Ohhh he dumped and got a profit, scamming others"
Say an investor or Evan keeps his coins in MNs: "Ohhh he is profiting from the MNs, perpetuating the scam"

See? You can't win in this game. You are always at the mercy of an accuser.

Same for bitcoin... You could say Satoshi ...solomined like 1mn coins, so every single bitcoiner is immoral for even accepting such a scheme where the creator is a billionaire. You can also say Satoshi is immoral himself for not destroying his coins. You can say he is a scammer because of P&Ds.... you can say all sorts of things.

Tomorrow you'll be making your own crypto or crypto-platform.

You've already stated your intention to not inform this community. I can already tell you, that, in accordance with the unwritten "terms of fairness", you can be called by someone else, as a scammer stealth miner.

You are saying you are talking with ...investors... You can be accused of setting up a scam with whales

, a scam that will profit the early investors at the expense of the later investors - who of course weren't notified of your project, so that they can not participate from the beginning... You can also be accused of being purposefully negative in all things related to other crypto with the malicious intent of profiting from promoting your own superior "solution".

When it comes to mining, if you choose cpu mining, you'll be called a scammer because a) "oh it's all botnets" or b) as soon as a more evolved version of the miner comes out someone will imply that you had such a more evolved cpu miner all along, helping you stealthmine your own coin. If you go GPU, which naturally takes some time to get up to speed in new algos in terms of optimization, you can again be called a scammer for the same reason. You could even be accused of colluding with FPGA programmers to solomine at extreme speeds, since you had foreknowledge of your algo specs. The list can go on and on and on. Like, how is your own compensation going to work?

If you have investor money, then obviously someone can control you based on the control of money. So you are selling out your user base to your investors. If you do an ICO, you can be called a scammer due to the way coins are created by the move of a magic wand, central-bankers style. If you do a premine, you can be called a scammer. If you take whale donations you can be accused of getting immoral benefits for behind-the-scenes deals.

Even if you work for 0$ and make a coin and get nothing for it, and I mean absolutely nothing, one can still call you a scammer. Why? Because coins that have a development plan are going to have development announcements. Thus the dev is always ahead of the market by knowing (inside info) what is being worked upon. When he makes an announcement that "we'll be releasing this fantastic feature tomorrow" and the market goes +30% or +100%, he can go long and profit through insider trading.

Nobody even needs to prove you are actually trading your coin or project. By the mere fact that you have inside info that is pumping the market on its announcement, you can be accused for betting on your foreknowledge of events.

And, people can craft arguments that can lock you in as a scammer, no matter what you do. If you do A, they'll say you are a scammer. If you do the opposite (B), they can also say you are a scammer. Thus no matter what you do, they'll cry "scam".

So let's deal with more tangible things, relative to this list, like, did Evan rip anyone off? The answer is NO.

Does he belong in a list with ...Karpeles? FFS, the answer is obvious.

Mark has victims. Actual victims. With actual money that were in his custody and which he stole or "lost".

If you can't tell the difference, you are an idiot.

We wish. Sadly that is unlikely to be the case because the mentality amongst speculators is to follow the pump to try to earn some profit. Damn the technological and adoption fundamentals.

P&Ds are irresistible to the gambler "crack addicts".

On the positive side, Ethereum's ICO was publicized, its development is open source as it is happening. OTOH, the potential price manipulation by insiders and the distribution of the ICO is not open source.

TPTB_need_war man you are attacking like the best people in the crypto world

1. Satoshi nakamoto the guy who brought all of this to us?!
2. Evan Eduffield the man who has awesome innovations like Darksend/Instant transactions/Masternodes/x11....many more. You will even find coins that copy he's work popping like everyday
3. Vitalik Buterin the wonder kid of crypto who out schooled the entire Monero team which consist of over 30 developers that you support along with Smooth + dEBRUYNE.

Didn't you say for over two years now that you will create a coin that solve every other coins issues out there? and the only thing you came up with is a thread of what should I name my awesome coin. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.0

Didn't Smooth who is suppose to be a Monero developer went to work on he's own coin called AEON yet he didn't do shit towards any of these two coins as a crypto developer?

Didn't FluffyPony the main developer of Monero the coin you guys support after copying the code from Bytecoin all he did was creating monerdice a gambling website and taking 10% of winnings there, while another Monero developer Othe taking the highest win in that site 21800 Moneros?

Do you notice all the attacks on Evan & even spamming their ANN thread are by Monero supporters including their developer "more like website designer" Smooth

Do you know iCEBREAKER is Eduardo the HASHFAST scammer who is a big time supporter of Monero yet you didn't mention he's name ever?

While you guys can't even make a GUI wallet you bash people who actually did something even when they have worked hard for it??!

Why is this all jealousy and hate towards successful people ?

You might as well add Terry Li of ZeusMiner/ZeusHash in there

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=551482

Evan hides away from this forum because he can't handle the technical level of the discussion

If Dash wants to become legit for Evolution, then relaunch with a fair mining distribution. And remove the dividends for masternode scheme. Simple.

Both of which are absolutely necessary for any serious adoption by users due third party investment into the ecosystem (e.g. network effects).

It is quite possible to get off the scam list (although the historic scam record remains), but the Dash insiders don't want to give up their scam.

No I didn't know that. He and I used to fight always, but he stopped attacking me when I stopped attacking Monero. I was very much against the HASHFAST scam. I know some of those who lost money.

Do you know iCEBREAKER is Eduardo the HASHFAST scammer who is a big time supporter of Monero yet you didn't mention he's name ever?

There is no concrete evidence that Eduardo DeCastro = iCEBREAKER. I've asked before to people to provide evidence, but like I said, I haven't seen anything concrete yet. Until then, it is a mere allegation.

Could you two perhaps take your shitcoin shit slinging contest somewhere else perhaps? Just a suggestion.

You are the only fair and balanced Monero Dev I am aware of, so what`s your take on the "concrete evidence" regarding the accusations that Evan has scammed anyone? Do you think he should be on that list?

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You can't just say you want more rights, when that means injuring others, because injuring others is not a right.

It has been elaborated in other threads that premines/ICOs/instamines are the antithesis of non-maniluated, permissionless, decentralized systems.

I'm still under the weather unable to digest posts fully, but feel that the OP may need be amended to reflect both sentiments.

I respectively disagree, feeling that the exchange between the two in this is welcomed.

I'm still under the weather unable to digest posts fully, but feel that the OP may need be amended to reflect both sentiments.

Until Evan makes FULL DISCLOSURE of the truth, then he is scammer. There is no other valid sentiment.

Evan Duffield, along with AlexGR and the rest of the Dash shills who continue to scam investors (DASH)

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2016/03/31/2158024/craig-wrights-upcoming-big-reveal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAyWT3nljBI

I just don't see how pretending to not have committed scams can be tolerated. It would be different if Evan stopped lying about intentionally doing the instamine instead of claiming it was an accident which I have explained is implausible because every lead developer will be monitoring his coin carefully on launch to see the coins are being issued at the correct rate. It doesn't take hours to make that determination.

Even if disclosure were made now, there have been two years of deception, obfuscation, and spin (not only by Evan but by the other useful idiots like AlexGR who, assuming no more explicit involvement, got in early and allowed themselves to be recruited by their own greed as accomplices). That can't be erased from history any more than MtGox would cease to be a scam if Karpeles showed up and told us the missing coins, that he misled people about for possibly years, was all just a big accident.

Anyone who bought Dash on the basis, in whole or part, of misleading statements from Evan or the others and then lost money has been scammed.

Thus a correction is needed:

Even if disclosure were made now, there have been two years of deception, obfuscation, and spin (not only by Evan but by the other useful idiots like AlexGR who, assuming no more explicit involvement, got in early and allowed themselves to be recruited by their own greed as accomplices). That can't be erased from history any more than MtGox would cease to be a scam if Karpeles showed up and told us the missing coins, that he misled people about for possibly years, was all just a big accident.

Anyone who bought Dash on the basis, in whole or part, of misleading statements from Evan or the others and then lost money has been scammed.

Thus a correction is needed:

"DARKCOIN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0)": { HYIP (http://darkcoin.guide/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/masternode_payment_plan.png) - scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0) - InstaMined (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0): [500k/1st hr, 2MM/1st day] (https://i.imgur.com/dSe9cRz.jpg) - Broken Privacy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978447.0) - Broken Security (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zufu1/a_great_podcast_by_lets_talk_bitcoin_discussing/cpmvogy) - Broken Masternodes (https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2014-11-27/?msg=26349785&page=4) -  Trused 3rd Paries (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=954451.msg10845049#msg10845049) - Stolen Name (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=678232.msg10758003;topicseen#msg10758003) - No Fundamentals (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10846424#msg10846424) - BusFactor=1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10825066#msg10825066) }

// Duffield, Moncada, & Co (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg8585965#msg8585965) should GO TO JAIL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999084.msg10858478#msg10858478) for fraud (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999084.0).

What evan did was;

1) Released Darkcoin/Dash
2) Put the block reward at 500 coins per block
3) Make it only available to the extremely small pool of linux users(So his buddies and himself could get the majority of coins)
4) Instamine darkcoin with a few of his buddies
5) Cut Darkcoin's block rewards over 50% from 500 to under 100
6) Cut Darkcoin's max coin supply by 50%
7) End the instamine within 40 hours and go on his merry way

What makes that even worse, was that he made the masternodes as a way to continue enriching himself, so he could gain even more $ from the coins he instamined. Within 40 hours over 2million Darkcoins were mined by Evan and a few others at darkcoins/DASH's release.

If this isnt a scam, then I dont know what is.

Good news everyone!

A whistleblower has emerged from within the Dark-Coin scam.

This insider, vertoe, was a core dev and thus in a position to speak with authority on specifics of the scam:

You are the only fair and balanced Monero Dev I am aware of, so what`s your take on the "concrete evidence" regarding the accusations that Evan has scammed anyone? Do you think he should be on that list?

Any chance you could upload that windows client exe? I'd be willing to throw 5k XCO at you. Just make sure it's the latest source from github

Even if disclosure were made now, there have been two years of deception, obfuscation, and spin (not only by Evan but by the other useful idiots like AlexGR who, assuming no more explicit involvement, got in early and allowed themselves to be recruited by their own greed as accomplices). That can't be erased from history any more than MtGox would cease to be a scam if Karpeles showed up and told us the missing coins, that he misled people about for possibly years, was all just a big accident.

Anyone who bought Dash on the basis, in whole or part, of misleading statements from Evan or the others and then lost money has been scammed.

Thus a correction is needed:

It’s also important to note, I was working a very challenging day job while working on Dash in the first couple weeks. So I was putting out fires every night, keeping tabs on Dash during the day (while getting yelled at by my boss when he caught me a couple times). Eventually I quit when I got Dash stable enough to work on full time and decided I really wanted to explore what I could do with it. “

3) Evan’s point in the above video is that, without the instamine Dash would not have captured the interest of it’s Founders.

Dash Early Distribution

Dash was buggy at the beginning

@AlexGR, don't try to derail the discussion to anything Monero related. Smooth and I might be Monero proponents, but TPTB_need_war who started this discussion isn't invested in Monero at all.

This might have something to do with it.

This IS Monero related.


The above was posted by known Monero troll Icebreaker, on the DASH thread. Otherwise I would be totally oblivious to the existence of this thread.

TPTB has confessed a few months ago that Smooth (a Monero dev) talked to him about DASH (obviously in a negative light) and ever since he has been used as a proxy-critic.

It is not surprising that he believed Smooth's lies, such as "ohhh Evan cut the coins down", when in fact that was a temp glitch from the code changes, and was set back up to a variable number that could even exceed the initial 84mn coins (it would depend based on difficulty). The final cut in supply was NOT Duffield's decision. Duffield came into the thread, he gave us the poll and we voted on it on whether we wanted lower or higher supply. The same happened with the instamine trolling back in march 2014/april 2014, when we got a similar poll regarding how to fix the instamine distribution and we, as users, rejected the proposed airdrop because there was already sufficient redistribution by that time.

Debruyne, Smooth, Icebreaker... the monero dream team came here, out of pure altruism, to show the world how big of a scammer eduffield is...

How about some actual victims where Evan took their money. Oh you have none... I see... So the only thing we have is butthurt altcoin competitors, trying to destroy the functionality of a thread that is intended for a very specific and very important purpose, down to the level of an altcoin mud contest-thread.

Great find!  I hope that victim of the Dash scam has contacted the appropriate LEA and regulatory bodies.

So much for the DashHoles' 'absence of evidence is evidence of absence' defense!

These cultist fucktards don't even understand basic logic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent


P.S.  Anyone know how many Masternodes Cryptsy is/was running with their customers' coins?

There are TLAs pulling at the string of their Paycoin Master Controller scam (which is basically the same thing), so I expect the rest of the sweater will unravel eventually....

Did you forget this?

You can see the explorerer here if you follow it for the first day you'll see that most block are 500 reward but some like block 3061 end up shelling out 40K+ coins.

I don't know about you, but when I went to grad school they told me I had to provide evidence and documentation to support statements like this, but maybe you missed that day?

P.S. Here's a question that none of you trolls have ever been able to answer: If Evan "clearly" planned the early emission problems and mined tons of Dash early on, then why is he still working on the project? The price of Dash exceeded $11 each in May 2014...if Evan deliberately planned some elaborate scam, then why didn't he sell everything in May 2014 and just disappear, like so many other coin developers have done?

If Dash's instamine was a deliberate scam executed by Evan, WHY is he still working full time developing the coin?

Why?

The official story about the instamine: https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118
Evan Duffield:“The instamine happened, there is no one disputing that fact. The crypto-community at large has no problem with this except a few who think it’s trying to be hidden in some way. In fact, I posted multiple times about the instamine, first in “The Birth Of Darkcoin” which is an account of the first few weeks of the launch and the mistakes that were made. Recently I also posted spoke about the Instamine in the video “Virtual Corporation”, which considers the concept that it might have been key to Dash’s success, which I believe now. It’s also important to note, I was working a very challenging day job while working on Dash in the first couple weeks. So I was putting out fires every night, keeping tabs on Dash during the day (while getting yelled at by my boss when he caught me a couple times). Eventually I quit when I got Dash stable enough to work on full time and decided I really wanted to explore what I could do with it. “

----------------------------------------------------

The evidence shows that it was a planned instamine. This wasn't mentioned before launch.
The features of this coin were also not public at launch.
=> Nobody was really interested in the coin at launch, making this instamine more a kind of "stealth launched premine".
In my books, that's a scam.

Please don't ignore the facts:

2013-12-29 (http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg03557.html): 2 guys from Hawk Financial Group, Evan & Kyle, are asking on the Bitcoin Dev mailing list for "1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup". They are planning to build a unique coin that is "not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code" but in stead "a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem". They claim to have "detailed plans on how to implement it".

2014-01-18 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4596809#msg4596809) There were some issues at launch, so Evan said he would postpone the launch and would "definitely not" launch it in the next hours. But he did launch it a few hours later.

2014-01-19 (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/block.dws?000007d91d1254d60e2dd1ae580383070a4ddffa4c64c2eeb4a2f9ecc0414343.htm) Xcoin was launched.
This was the emission in the first 72 hours of the coins existence:
https://i.gyazo.com/fef5818649a839bb091c29e8b3722b7e.png
This was the emission of the first 100 days:
https://i.gyazo.com/3acc6ea5d90db13e51d95dac0e4b8fa2.png
At the moment, there are about 6 million DASH in circulation. There would be 84 million Xcoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4588082#msg4588082) eventually.
Note that in the first hour, 500k Xcoins were mined. Due to the "quick fix" of the bug, not many people expected to launch a few hours after Evan said he would "definitely not" launch in the next hours.

2014-01-19 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594074#msg4594074) Right after the launch, there were problems with the windows binaries. Evan clearly was mining right from the start, as he offered 5000 Xcoin as a bounty for compiling the binaries.

2014-01-20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4629218#msg4629218) After the emission of almost 2 million coins, Evan said that "now that everything is stable, I'll be posting later about the vision of this project and milestones!". Up until this point, only the "X11 hashing algoritm" was a known feature. According to him, it was "time to move on to actually implementing what I set out to do".

2014-01-22 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4654183#msg4654183) Evan releases his plans for XCoin. At this point, more than 2 million coins were mined.

Xcoin rebranded to Darkcoin and eventually to DASH later on.

---

Later on, some contradictions surfaced:

* The emission schedule changed multiple times. The latest we heard is that the number of coins would be somewhere between 14 million and like 16 million (https://youtu.be/wIvcQIdSbIY?t=9m) DASH.
* Evan said that this project was just a hobby he started while working on a full time job and coded Xcoin in a weekend (https://youtu.be/wIvcQIdSbIY?t=9m17s).
* Evan claims there were hundreds of miners if not thousands (https://youtu.be/x5sNx7SMTP8?t=3m39s) when Xcoin launched. Recent investigation showed that there were 124 IP addreses that were mining at the start. 115 of those addresses where Cloudhosting and Dedicated Servers, 9 of them seem to be private/early adopters. 106 of them were at Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure cloud instances. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1220064.msg12781520#msg12781520)
 
---

Conclusions:
*Evan isn't acting alone, he had/has a team behind him right from the start. It wasn't a hobby. he had a plan to make a profit.
*Evan had plans for his coin right from the start, but didn't release them until after the instamine
*1.5 million coins were mined in the first 8 hours. Most of these coin ended up in his (and his friends) hands. It's very likely the 500k in the first hour were only mined by him with cloudhosting services.
*He lowered the emission later on, to make his relative share of coins bigger.

How can this be all an accident (like Evan is always saying) and NOT be intentional?

FACT:
>Evan was looking for c++ devs for a "for profit startup" at the end of 2013 for the launch of an altcoin.
QUESTION:
>How can you make a profit by launching an altcoin (and be sure to be able to pay your devs)?
ANSWER:
>by premining and/or instamining.

How he did it is pretty easy:
*telling people the release would definitely not be in the next couple of hours and after that do launch it a few hours later
*buggy windows binaries
*a "code error" creating 500k coins in the first hour, >1.5 million in the first 8 hours.



=> DASH was clearly a planned instamine (and thus a scam)

http://pastebin.com/15dPiuue

Peter Todd calls DASH "snake oil" and bad crypto:
* snake oil: https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/622022840330682368
* bad crypto: https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/622081863008436225
 
gmaxwell calls DASH harmful garbage and dysfunctional software:
* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642.msg10922949#msg10922949

Your pump and dump dance would probably be more effective if you were less transparently dishonest in your approach.

From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity.

I'll start of by saying that I am neither a dev nor a core-team member. Perhaps my "role" is better described as contributor.

Anyway, like I stated upthread at least one person missed the launch due to Evan Duffield launching earlier than he said he would. That should be considered as someone (in)directly being "ripped off" in my opinion (or scammed). Furthermore, for every poster there might be 10-20 readers who experienced the same thing. He also confirms that he'll try again next week. That probably resulted in some people getting caught off guard regarding the launch. In addition, there were no Windows binaries available, which arguably represents a great part of users. However, he was apparently willing to throw 5k DASH at it. See

Why don't you take a look at your Monero which WAS CODED INTENTIONALLY AS A SCAM with an INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED MINING CODE, so that some SCAMMERS could mine multiple times what naive miners were mining.

I'm seeing all sorts of stuff happening in the charts all at once, which is a great sign when you see a bunch of bullish formations at once. This is how I used to day trade for my firm back in the day. The general idea here is you go from the shortest time period, then you walk out to the longest. If you see bullish or bearish signals in all of the charts at once, it's quite meaningful. Here's what I'm seeing:

On the really short term chart, there's a triple top:
https://i.imgur.com/KH50Tqr.png
https://i.imgur.com/rgkWj9T.png

Moving averages are crossing as we speak, so momentum is changing from negative to positive:
https://i.imgur.com/RTeRGUR.png

If you step out a bit, It looks like we're going to cross in a couple days, for a much more meaningful MA
https://i.imgur.com/rOWupfm.png

If we break above 0.011, I believe this was a false breakdown
https://i.imgur.com/34Hn11r.png

When trading, there's also a couple other things to consider:
- The order book on the buy side, which is quite nice.
- Then there's the fundamental side for the trade (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GACaNvBlwc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GACaNvBlwc), The budget system and governance system? Plus everything we're about to do)
 
Away, that was fun.... back to coding

3. Did that guy lose any money, or more specifically did Evan rip him off in some way?

If he bought post-launch, he bought at 0.000025 per BTC. Price in mid April 2014 was around 100 times as much. If he waited a few more days, his money would be another 5x at least (500x). Where did he lose money? How did Evan rip him off? I call bullshit.

Because first of all no one involved with Monero now (which is a fork of the coin that was coded as a scam, from which the crippled code was quickly removed, limiting its impact to a few percent at most, unlike Dash's 30% instamine) had anything to do with it, unlike Dash where Evan and most of the instaminers are still out there shilling it today.

Second, because it had minimal impact

By contrast, in addition to continued misleading statements about the instamine and the role of current leaders and insiders, Evan posted technical analysis telling people how great it was to buy Dash (EDIT: quoted below -- read for yourself, if that isn't transparent pumping, i don't know what is)

But here's more evidence of AlexGR's continued participation, instead of throwing in the towel and finally allowing the scam to collapse, preventing even more investors from being scammed. Well done, AlexGR.

I don't know if that guy lost money but clearly there are many people have been scammed by Dash and have lost money, most notably those who bought on the initial pump up to about 0.0267, a price which has not been reached since, but also on later pumps.

...clearly there are many people have been scammed by Monero (XMR) and have lost money, most notably those who bought on the initial pump up to about 0.00777, a price which has not been reached since, but also on later pumps.

When you create a coin, fuel that with deceptive and misleading statements, along with other spin and pumping from the lead dev and a crew of shills, the result is certainly going to be unsustainable pumps to high prices which cause investors to lose money.

The sad part is, you are still doing it.

[logical fallacy]

Cars are "visual" they are in front you shiny and glamorous...it is normal to boost the image by adding some pretty girls there because it is "visual"

"Digital" "currency" that exist inside the internet is "not visual" so adding some "sexy" "real" person there is really a desperate move  ;D

whoever is responsible here??? is really quiet LOL

And finally, because prominent Moneroers, certainly including myself and fluffypony among them, are on record repeatedly telling people not to buy Monero unless they are extreme speculators who are comfortable with the fact they will likely lose money.

girlfriend

Way beyond 0.007.

...anti-Evan obsession.

You are the moderator of a Monero thread where it's constantly being advertised how buying Monero is a good investment and will make the buyer a lot of money. Because you are the moderator, you have chosen to allow such posts being published and remain visible for all greedy noobs ready to lose their money.

If you had an unmoderated thread instead, you wouldn't have taken the responsibility on what remains published and what doesn't upon yourself and the liability would unequivocally fall upwards to the forum moderators and admins alone. As it currently stands, to further back your stance quoted above, perhaps it would be a good idea from both ethical and legal standpoints for you to start deleting at least the most outrageous m00n posts. Unless you think the value of the asset can only go up and no one will ever lose any money thus not getting scammed by your own definition.

But smooth, "We're adults therefore any lies that we accept as true (even if advertised) are the fault of our not researching enough (even if developers are actively telling us otherwise), thus scams are impossible"--said the man before being convicted of securities fraud.

Shitcoins that were fraudulently distributed and continue to be fraudulently distributed with a masternode scam that funnels coins to the insiders (who stole the instamine) perpetually while breaking the security of the anonymity are not bad coins by your illogic.

Nothing is bad. Just eat shit (feces) for breakfast please and report back on your health later.

When you don't understand, why can't you just admit to yourself that you don't understand.

Last time I checked, the colors black and white were distinct. Seems you live in a world with one color: grey. Fried eggs are grey, fried feces is grey, etc...

He is totally lost.

I lost money on darkcoin (DASH). I bought a stack early on before I knew about the instamine. Once I realised the truth I sold for a loss and took the hit. I could have held onto my DASH in the hope of breaking even someday, but I just don't have enough time to follow threads and news for coins I KNOW will fail eventually. My most scarce resource is time! I did the exact same thing with bytecoin (BCN), once I knew it was a scam, I knew it would fail eventually, just not when, so I moved on to spend time resources looking for coins with better chances of mass adoption. I don't regret either decision.

Stop playing. It's actually dumb. If this is proof you lost all the reputation you have left.
Do you know how many times I have been "scammed" while trading or investing?

Documented Darkcoin (DRK i.e. Dash) victim:

AlexGR your slimy attempts to obfuscate this discussion with off topic references as to the motivations of others is irrelevant.

You know what's irrelevant? Trolling this thread with DRK-related bullshit.

How about we keep it clean and allow it to serves its purpose, not as an altcoin mud arena, but as a comprehensive list of actual scammers, that actually ripped off people.

Finding out about basic facts of issuance after investing because it was not mentioned in the prospectus, is a securities law violation of the issuer, not of the investor. Please go learn some basic facts about securities law.

An instamine is a premine...

Add the fact of the masternode scheme which is paying coins to the developer.

How does your criminal mind rationalize that Evan is not a scammer who is ripping people off?

None of the issue was hidden.

What? Say again.

Are you referring to Decentralize Budget System? People vote and the network hire devs.

Oh, here we go again: Who did he rip off?

Perhaps you are an accomplice who is profiting off the masternodes as we speak. Care to do disclosure given you are attacking the motivations of others?

Here is diagram of the scam of the flow of electronic digits printed ongoing out of thin air:

PRINTING PRESS ----> INSIDERS -----> INVESTORSFOOLS

Care to do disclosure given you are attacking the motivations of others?

He is defending Dash and showing your double standards, ignorance and naivety.
You are attacking and playing dumb because you have nothing important to do, it seems.

Your thread, you're the boss. If you have the patience to read all this who am I to argue  ;D.

This has been explained to you numerous times. Now you are just trying to ignore and obfuscate answering the dicussion that would reveal you are an accomplice.

Where is smooth?

Can't any Monero's supporters help me 'dish' Dish? Plz read:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.msg14393865#msg14393865

I am waiting for his AND YOUR sworn statements of disclosure.

Gleb you are citing an alleged April Fools joke blog entry about Craig Wright. The video you cited adds no evidence that he is a scammer.

With apologies, I've truly been under the weather. I now promise to dedicate an hour or two to this thread to... to... to do something. I believe I have a simple solution that I'll implement, with looking forward to feedback or backlash once in place.

Please continue the spirited convo, for this is non-self-moderated thread.

People can call you a scammer when you implement those simple solutions  ;D

You alone accuse every coin of being a scam.

goverments are  scams ...   https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20arrests (https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20arrests)

Come on now boys. If you are so sure this is not a scam, then make your sworn disclosures about your involvement in it. Are you afraid of future SEC and FinCEN actions and thus afraid to disclosure. Hmmm.

Stop obfuscating with off topic diversionary tactics.

I am trying to rescue you idiots. But you are determined to dig own pathway to jail.

Wake up and see the light pronto for your own sake.

The "logic" (rationalization) of criminal is that everyone is a criminal so his actions are no worse than anyone else's. It is this warped mindset that is apparently held by 2.5% of the population.

A lot is said about distribtion fairness of certain coins.
Do you want fairness? Give 7 billion people 1 coin each and check the distribution after few hours/days. Come back with your findings.

I warned you guys you will lose in a debate with me. My father is an very prolific attorney. I inherited the skill of debate. I don't typically start a debate (especially so forcefully as I have done here) unless I am sure I can win it.

Thank you for your interest, if genuine. However, to quote Hillary Clinton (since you mentioned the Clintons a lot in some of your posts):

"It’s a stark fact that the United States has less than five percent of the world’s population, yet we have almost 25 percent of the world’s total prison population."

I'm in the 95%+ of the global population (=non US citizen). I'm also unaffected by the prison-mania of the USA, FinCEN, SEC etc. Not that if I were affected I would have something to worry about.

Implausible? DASH had a failed launch and RE-launched.

Within the first hour of launch, approximately 500,000 coins were mined, followed by another 1,000,000 coins in the next 7 hours and finally another 400,000 in 36 hours. All told 1.9 million coins were mined in 48 hours, or approximately 32% of a current supply (as of October 2015) of approximately 5.9 million

As for satoshi, the coins he controls are not 1% (or 150.000)... numbers floating around are in the range of 1mn+.

Gleb is usually so eager to pounce on almost anything as conclusive evidence, yet still isn't convinced Duffield is a PoS?

WTF?   ???

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-hagan-b49b157

Why doesn't Kyle mention anything about DASH on his Linkedin page?

For me, the most telling part of his comments were "I never thought Darkcoin would get THIS far", his mentality was too small for the project.

I understand that this is a personal issue but the tone of the language used by Kyle in IRC made many people in the community including myself upset and angry. Kyle needs to understand that many have invested their time and money in this technology and any threat to this investment will not be taken lightly nor will be ignored. A person who has a known location, known identity, young children and other responsibilities should act smarter and avoid making unwanted attention by getting drunk and talking shit. That's all I can say publicly about this issue and urge Kyle Hagan be smart about what he does and talks in the future.

[WARNING] Don't ever talk badly about Darkcoin / DASH / The Darkcoin Foundation

no.

i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

good luck

With apologies, I've truly been under the weather. I now promise to dedicate an hour or two to this thread to... to... to do something. I believe I have a simple solution that I'll implement, with looking forward to feedback or backlash once in place.

Please continue the spirited convo, for this is non-self-moderated thread.

On freenode people are talking about cachecoin being official currency to buy scrypt asics. As I want to invest in asics soon enough I wonder if this are only rumours or this is official? Any idea? Where can I buy the coins, is there any shop or similar accepting USD or BTC?

Sorry if this question sounds like a total idiot posting, I'm still new to all this.

no.

i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

good luck

1. Your debate starts and ends at the point where you consider Evan's actions immoral. You are entitled to think that and nobody can tell you anything about it.

2. Your debate is lost when you are saying things that are non-factual, like Evan ripping people off, and then citing "high quality" witnesses with "high quality" arguments, like those which have been presented so far.

Please define "ripping people off" unambiguously such that all those on the OP's list FACTUALLY qualify but Evan doesn't.

In most scams you can say

a) What the scam is
b) What is the financial size of the scam
c) Who are the victims of the scam / Who got ripped off
d) How much did the victims lose

Supposedly, the above was penned by Kyle Hagan, Evan's business partner for ~10 years. Evan's name is on the original Mt Gox dump circa 2012(?):


Kyle and Evan would've gotten involved in Bitcoin at virtually the same time.

Reference:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/kyle-hagan-is-no-longer-part-of-the-development-team.3225/#post-33461

Wow, the Evan's Gate cult enforcers act like Scientology when it comes to threatening anyone that dares to leave the compound.

WTF is with a community that threatens young children because they don't like a parent's "tone?"

The FBI should be having a very frank discussion with Evan and that Light creep.

I gave you a link to RATIONAL DISCUSSION, in the form of #Bitcoin-wizards analyzing the various factors which make Dash "bad crypto."

That's what you asked for.

Anyway, lurkers are free to read it and decide for themselves:  https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2014-11-27/?msg=26349785&page=4

Oh look, gmax says Team DashHole was never interested in ACTUAL TECHNICAL DISCUSSION:

Please define the difference between a scam and unethical (and probably illegal in the USA and perhaps the EU at least) deception of investors?

In most scams you can say

a) What the scam is
b) What is the financial size of the scam
c) Who are the victims of the scam / Who got ripped off
d) How much did the victims lose

Example (Karpeles):

a) "Losing" or stealing the money of investors and pretended to be hacked
b) 700k+ BTC / 700mn USD
c) People who had funds in his exchange
d) 700k+ BTC / 700mn USD collectively / individually 700k+ BTC divided by their respective deposits in cash or BTCs.

You can claim "scam" for any number of reasons but can't tell me (b), (c), (d).

Except for ponzi/pyramid related schemes, in which case every scammer claims there are no victims.

Thank you for your interest, if genuine. However, to quote Hillary Clinton (since you mentioned the Clintons a lot in some of your posts):

"It’s a stark fact that the United States has less than five percent of the world’s population, yet we have almost 25 percent of the world’s total prison population."

I'm in the 95%+ of the global population (=non US citizen). I'm also unaffected by the prison-mania of the USA, FinCEN, SEC etc. Not that if I were affected I would have something to worry about.

What? Say again.

I am still waiting for you reply. You chose to ignore this challenge, thus you lost the debate.

As I warned you, the countries will be pushed towards cooperating against financial crime:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers

The globalists are destroying the nation-states on purpose and inciting the masses to clamor for a global discipline on malfeasance. I've known for a long time this would be coming. One thing you will learn about me by observing me over time is my ability to predict the future. For example was my 2011 prediction (http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/understand-everything-fundamentally) that the nations would not exit the EU and instead would double-down for more sloppy seconds.

Dude I've been schooling Gmaxwell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg14416418#msg14416418) and for example TierNolan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364951.msg14078549#msg14078549) among many others. Get a grip on reality.

Evan replied in my thread and did not refute my assertion of the egregious math error.

Please don't waste my time again. Please. I don't have time to respond to all your slobbering.

For a person with such a breadth of understanding regarding global expansion of totalitarianism, why would you insist on others publicly disclosing stuff like their cryptoholdings, when, tomorrow for example, crypto could be illegal and all such posts might be admissions of possession and thus grounds for confiscation? ::)

Do you even have any cryptocurrency?

Ethics are highly subjective.

Cripes man, did this point completely fly over your head that you are the one who is demanding that everyone disclose everything so we can count and prove all the victims.

I am arguing it should be sufficient to just declare Evan a sleazy scammer who rips off people by designing a scam to control the float and manipulate the price and volume, as well printing press coins out of thin air masternode scheme, handing them to insiders, and dumping them on the market.

That is what someone with no ethics says. Ethics are quite objective. But I don't have time to go off on that tangent with you which you can begin by unconflating morality and ethics (http://crucialconsiderations.org/ethics/41/).

Dash's fiasco of a ninja-launch, featuring an "accidental" 33% of all coins ever going to the dev and a handful of insiders more or less right away, is the functional equivalent of a premine.

If I say "I had 100 bitcoins and you stole them from me" then I'm not admitting possession in real time. I *had* them. I don't *currently* have them thus such information would not be incriminating in a future where cryptocurrency becomes illegal. You cannot break the law with retro-active effect in any serious constitutional state. The law must first exist so that you can the break it. So if I say, right now, you stole my BTCs, and a law comes in effect next year saying I'm not allowed to have BTCs, I've not broken any laws.

Ok, so you are not OK with proving the scam so you just want to declare people "sleazy scammers".

Everyone's innocent until proven guilty, you know...

And, if you call people scammers when they haven't actually scammed people, that's a criminal offense in itself.

We feel we sufficiently proved the scam

Out of ~20mn coins, a "33% ever" is around 6.6mn coins.

He shrank the planned coin supply once already.

You are not helping the "Icebreaker #REKT" case. The argument is even worse with a larger coin supply. Basic maths man: 33% of 84mn (original spec) means Evan should have at least 27.72 million darkcoins to have instamined 33% ever.

Well thanks for admitting you have no shred of an argument remaining, as you are now resorting to complete nonsense.

Now we've determined that another likely reason for your inability to comprehend the trouble you are in, is because you simply lack sufficient IQ (or are so disingenuous and deluded into thinking people are stupid enough to not understand you just stated nonsense).

33% ever of 84mn = 27.7mn
33% ever of 21mn = 6.93mn

Neither of these are even possible 26 months later (because the coin supply is still less than 33% of 21mn - currently at 6.3mn).

And you continue pretending I don't make sense?

Seriously...?

But that is not even needed. You are totally disingenuous. The masternode scheme pays out the new coins proportional to the holdings percentage of the coin supply at inception. Duh!

Unfortunately the person who wrote that doesn't have the knowledge to understand. Let me explain.

I'd prefer to have no securities regulation law.  In order to not end up with such laws, then we must be able to police our own community. If we can't do that, the public will demand laws.

Laws exist because of a power vacuum. That means that the collective is powerless to stop the hurtful activity, thus someone must step into the vacuum and take control. Thus voila! Government. Laws.

We do it to ourselves because we have criminal mindsets amongst us who prefer to hurt others to get what they want, than to help others to get what they want.

Can you continue pretending you didn't read (or comprehend) my rebuttal to that.

Ask someone with sufficient IQ to translate this for you:

Dash's fiasco of a ninja-launch, featuring an "accidental" 33% of all coins ever going to the dev and a handful of insiders more or less right away, is the functional equivalent of a premine.

you simply lack sufficient IQ (or are so disingenuous and deluded into thinking people are stupid enough to not understand you just stated nonsense).

Icebreaker's argument was:


Your attempt to patch it up is pathetic at best.

It's noteable that the quantity of insults and abusive rhetoric in your posts is in inverse proportion to the integrity of your arguments.

Icebreaker's argument was:


Your attempt to patch it up is pathetic at best.

Instamine + compounding Masternode payments + control of Dash budget = 33% of all Dash ever

Perhaps my estimate is too low.  Did you get a higher number?   ???

Come-from-Beyond (who is in Belarus) make a similar line of argument to me.

It seems to me that those who grew up in these (former?) Communist states developed a culture of theft, because that was the only way to game the totalitarian system. We all know that Communism is a philosophy of stealing from each other.

Goodbye asshats.

Have you said here that I'm a thief? http://web.archive.org/web/20160404110355/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1414944.msg14417575

And as always you have a need to cowardly insult your opponents in discussions.

Did I say CfB is a thief? What did I write in the one sentence about CfB? You elided the quote to which that one sentence is referring to.

Do you wish to make any statement about the theory I posited that made no specific allegation against CfB?

You mean "that Communism is a philosophy of stealing from each other"?

Yes, although it devolves to a Totalitarian state, but the underlying delusion is that less productive can steal from the more productive so that labor is not cheated of its fair share, or more saliently that production is a zero-sum game instead of an expanding pie.

Did I say CfB is a thief? What did I write in the one sentence about CfB? You elided the quote to which that one sentence is referring to.

Do you wish to make any statement about the theory I posited that made no specific allegation against CfB?

I thought you implied that I was a thief. Looks like you know about http://www.gov.ph/2012/09/12/republic-act-no-10175/ and are smarter than I expected. Ok, for now the only crime I see is racism, but it's not that important to me, the Internet is full of racist posts.

Sorry I am not going to teach you economics.

No prob. Didn't mean to interrupt your batshit delirium. Continue ranting pl0x.

Positing a theory about culture, has nothing do with race. If you are too dumb to understand the difference between culture and race, and theory and accusation, then I don't think there isn't an Iota of hope for ya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_racism *tripple facepalm meme*

The delirium is yours. It is senseless for me to argue with an indoctrinated Communist.

Also senseless for anyone as far gone as yourself to do anything but crawl to the nearest nuthouse & beg to be committed, and yet here we are :-\

Append racism to the end of culture and pretend you knew any fuck what you were talking about. There isn't even a quark of hope for ya.

If one can't compare cultures, let's just burn the Sociology books also.

Funny how I don't threaten people with legal action when they make negative statements about Americans as you have. Instead I agree or refute as I have to you and even in this thread.

Well good to see you get that off your chest. You can exhale now Stalin.

We've been trolled by the Communist brigade < snip >

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Just trying to help, lunatic Anon. Get crawling, you'll thank me once your mind clears a bit :)

^^It uses royal plural :D

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/db/6f/ba/db6fbaf8d8587560b2b37a6cb320ad4e.jpg

It is actually not about a "shitcoin" and its merits, but about libelous accusations against an individual. As AlexGR eloquently explained, it is not about Dish, but about Evan Duffield the more or less public individual. The question raised is, whether Evan Duffield is a "piece of shit" or not.
The purpose of this thread is to establish a pillory, which can be problematic in itself, but the OP seems to be open and fair and allow discussions, which I applaud, because otherwise it would turn into a mudslinging contest. In german we call that "Rufmord", which Google translates as "character assassination", which is a criminal offense where I come from. TBTP is intelligent and his accusations have a superficial plausability, though no falsifiability, hence they remain claims. It`s malevolent "in dubio contra reo". Those allegations have to be countered out of sheer sense of fairness, which is what AlexGR is doing with remarkable patience and grace.

Wow Gleb, this is amazing work! Thank you for this effort.

Could you perhaps add a section about the major anonymous ones who deserve to be on the list even though we don't know their identity? We (you!) might still somehow unmask them at some point.

Would it also perhaps be most fair to add something like "[maybe no malicious intent]" next to some of them who don't seem to have had the intention of scamming? It might piss people off to see that next to Mark Karpeles, but fairness is fairness. There's a difference between being a "piece of shit" and a "complete idiot".

Be very careful. I fell into that trap over the past years and almost justified some shady ideas because "the entire system is scam". That is sliding into a criminal mindset and forsaking any ethical backbone. With that attitude, we all steal from each other and end up in a clusterfuck Dark Age. Step back from the ledge before it is too late and recover the ethics you learned as a child perhaps from your grandparents who came from the honorable generation before the boomers (assuming you are my age or older).

I think you are going to be suprised how much the world changes towards coordinated government action across the G20 and beyond. There is a massive contagion underway that will really kick into high gear in 2018.

I think you will find that totalitarianism will increase for many years before it finally implodes around 2033. I think this will mean the governments will join together and double-down on boots on throats. I would not want to have your attitude.

But moreover, I would not want your sleazy ethics. We are supposed to be helping humanity here, not making schemes that deceive n00bs. Come on you know the "no victims" diversion is an attempt to be unethical. Instead make a plan to deceive the bastards who are abusing us, which can empower the n00bs. That is what I am doing.

The USA is fucked up and it will need to break up into separate regions where those who have shared values can congregate. There are big changes coming to world accelerating as of 2018.

- Instamined 1.5 million coins in 8 hours. (The absolute scum of the earth thinks that his currency will get mainstream adoption yet, in the face of relaunching the chain because of a damage caused by a "bug", he relies on a few bagholders to make the decision. And the decision is NO, because guess fucking what ? 1.5M coins in his pockets.)
- Reduced the supply from 80M to 20M, making his bags 4x more valuable
- Implemented masternodes so he could put the instamine to work by taking a chunk from the miners' pockets
- Created the Darkcoin foundation so he can milk coins from people that think it actually means anything. 100 Dash per Lifetime Subscription. (Where did that go ? lol)
- Rebranded a few times so he could gain new investors.
- Implemented a decentralized budgeting system that works this way: A proposal is created, newbies vote it with their few masternodes and Evan and Otoh come with 1500-2500 of their own to own the majority. Some of the proposals are really interesting, like : Up to 5000USD for a wordpress website that could be purchased from "themeforest" with 50$, 5500USD for Public Awareness Campaign (huh ?), 3000 USD for the Core Team, because nobody wants to touch their masternode profits :)

Did he have deceiving/thieving/criminal intent from the get-go? I'm not sure but he's at least sloppy like Mark Karpeles.

This is why I suggested dividing the list into "clearly malevolent intent" and "maybe no malevolent intent":

Well thought, but I think you are operating under the assumption of moral relativism -- the idea that we can't know right and wrong via logic/rationality... but we can. It's called Natural Law (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCMmGUFYxkA), based on the non-aggression principle (http://www.5stepstoanarchy.com/what-is-the-non-aggression-principle/), or simply the understanding of "do no harm".

Why 2033? Does the timeframe "2025-2033" suggest anything to you?

You mean as of 2016! Major changes in the fall this year, I'd say. By 2018 things will be so different it's hardly imaginable. I'd also say that Europe is more fucked (being destroyed faster) than the USA.

(Also tuna often has high methylmercury)

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Large tuna from the area of the Pacific I am in doesn't have statistically significant mercury. And I am eating smaller tuna (e.g. 3 kilos) which thus has no mercury.

I think it's clear that Duffield at the least messed up really badly. Why at least as much is not acknowledged by AlexGR et al is puzzling.

How do you figure that I'm not acknowledging it when even Evan himself acknowledged it and proposed to fix the problem with an airdrop? The community* voted it down (I voted it down too) for several reasons, settling the issue once and for all. The rehashing of the same issue is from outsiders that have interests in defaming dark and gaining marketplace at its expense. However the act got old by now and investors saw that those who tried to gain the moral high ground against Evan and Darkcoin, simply ripped them off - and just used Darkcoin's issues to pump their selves up in order to conduct their scams and leave, while Evan is still here coding and improving Darkcoin / now DASH - which is ultimately what gives the coin its value.


* If Evan had proceeded unilaterally, we'd hear that Evan screwed everyone over and that he is a scammer for airdropping new coins that diluted coin supply (and by extension fucked investors). Now that he put the issue and final say to the community vote, we hear ..."sockpuppets".

There is nothing that he could do that can please everyone. There are all kind of angles that can be used, maliciously, where one could be termed a scammer for anything he does. That's simply the nature of the beast.

Well, not even Monica will claim that Bill fucked her, so.

When I hear "these two had sex", or "I had sex with the X person", I understand it to be sex, not a bj.

But that's just me I guess.

Oral sex.

Phone sex.

(see what I did there?)

Yeah you proved my point. Thanks. So even if he had phone sex with her, he would be lying to say he didn't have sex with that woman.

So to make it clear. The likelihood that the float of Dash is significantly owned by those in the instamine and who likely owned masternodes hence thus maintaining their share of the coin supply is what in your estimation?

Days let's posit that your point about slow development of Monero (https://moneroeconomy.com/faq-page#t9n41) had some validity (really I don't dig into Monero source code so I don't know), I have some reactions:

1. Could you please go post that in a thread about Monero, not in the Dash thread. Motivation/motive of Monero supporters (and myself who does not own a Moneroj) is not a factual answer to concerns about Dash.

2. The concern we've expressed about the Dash distribution is that it unfairly skews the control over the float and the profit from the coin to a smaller group. If you are implying this corrupt financial structure enables Dash to have more funds to develop their coin faster, my reaction is the technology of Dash isn't even at the level of a high school junior programmer. Don't forget I found a high school level probability math error in the InstantX white paper a year after it was released. Who the hell is doing your peer review? The anonymity is not end-to-end principled (a foundational principle of correct network protocol design), is horrendously slow, is not autonomous, and the masternodes could violate anonymity of users.

Very low. In my estimation Evan should be from around 100k to 400k tops - as he was just one of the two "partners" and Hagan / internetape has already sold much or all of his stash in the lower price ranges.

Evan probably had to face some serious losses as well:

Masternode rewards came online much later, when coin supply wasn't at 2mn, but more like 4.5mn+ and that was the low reward-scheme... like 10% or something because it was planned to gradually escalate in terms of pow/pos balance... I think the 50-50 reward was coded to be reached in small increments by q3 or q4 '15... yet by that time coins had reached 6mn. So from the instamine till then, another 4mn coins had been added to the supply, mainly by PoW....

So on one hand you have large scale redistribution of the first 2mn coins (I know of whales that bought large packages like 20-40-100k DRKs for peanuts, back in the 0.00002 - 0.0005 range, and were even buying the ccex hacked DRKs dumps over at poloniex, down at 0.0008 or something).

All these things reshuffled the distribution so much that most darkcoiners understood that the instamine is a non-issue

i dont know if i must be happy because there is a list about it, i mean a list with know people on with we should never believe or sad because there is a list related to bitcoin scams, that for sure will be increased with time...btw good job with that list.

Because I've done some checking.  donschoe=Vertoe.

For posterity:

Evan Duffield (Darkcoin) should be awarded the Proof of Honor 2014.

<snip>

There is copyright, stating that this was developed by evan duffield and the darkcoin developers. But it's released open source under MIT license to build trust. Nobody wants a crypto built on proprietary shit.

darkcoin for sure ;)

Darkcoin released InstantX to main network. https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-1-instantx-release.3923/

When are we ready?

Vertoe ≠ Kyle Hagan. Kyle's name is on the email sent out in November 2013 and he is one of the original founders.

More deceptive and misleading statements about the instamine that Dash continues to use to scam investors even now, this time an in "Official Communication".

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/OC/Dash+Instamine+Issue+Clarification

Repeats many of the unsupportable or false claims mentioned in the OP from the old Darkcoin FAQ such as coins being redistributed, the nature of the distribution, and where and how large holders obtained their coins. Omits critical information about key events surrounding the instamine such as the early launch and the deliberate withholding of development plans until after the instamine was complete.

Also mischaracterizes the origin of the instamine coins as being the Litecoin difficulty adjustment algorithm which is absolutely false. Most of the "extra coins" came from the absurdly-high block rewards due to a "bug" (500 coins/block IIRC, roughly 285 times higher than now). If Dash had constant block rewards as did Litecoin (for four years), its instamine would have been very small, as Litecoin's was (in fact even smaller, since the Dash had a difficulty adjustments at 4x the frequency of Litecoin).

Appears they've just incriminated themselves, by admitting they didn't immediately halt the mining by informing the public and declaring a fork with a restart was forthcoming, but instead let the instamine run on for several hours.


How can Evan know that Kyle Hagan sold all his DRK unless Evan was controlling Kyle's mining equipment. Notice how Evan refused to disclose how many DRK he mined. He also doesn't disclose who Kyle sold his DRK to and for what price.

So many days have transpired and Indiegogo has not stopped this campaign which continues to receive new contributions which are ostensibly being offered rimbit tokens in exchange:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-better-bitcoin-will-you-wait-till-its-to-late/x/13712033#/funders

The last response I had from Rimbit was dated April 3:

smooth are you not understanding my logic? Everything Evan is writing in that document appears to me to be incriminating. Here is another example:


How can he know what the first day miners did on OTC unless he was buying all the coins that were sold or was in communication with all the first day miners.

He claiming or admitting that the first day miners were a close knit group.

It is either fact that he could know what he claims to know, in which case they need to disclose all the facts they knew. For example, if they can know what all first miners did, then they must disclose the numbers.

Else it is speculation painted as fact which is a violation of proper disclosure for investment securities.

So either way, it appears to be incriminating w.r.t. securities law in the USA, but note IANAL.

The House of Cards known as XCoin, DarkCoin, DRK, Dash, Dashpay, appears to be nearing its deathstar destiny.

Which he completely deserves for his ostensibly illegal activities, which btw may take the coin to 0 if FinCEN and/or SEC action begins against him and his accomplice pumpers here in this forum.

He is a disgrace to crypto-currency and is helping to advance the popular idea that crypto-currency is only for nefarious activities. Which is hurting all of us, even those who didn't "invest" in DRK.

Erik Voorhees barely escaped prison by returning all the money.

And you are a disgrace for claiming we are a disgrace for pointing this out.

If this forum can't do something about allowing ostensibly illegal promotion or illegal unregistered investment scams such as the cases Dash and Rimbit which are obvious, then perhaps it is time to replace this forum. I am all for freedom-of-speech, when it is legal.

And of course he hasn't disappeared because the masternode lucrative scam is ongoing. Ditto Rimbit continues to sell more 100% premined tokens on Indiegogo in violation of Indiegogo's Prohibited Perks policy even after Indiegogo acknowledged my message alerting them to this over 2 weeks ago.

WTF has this world turned into a scam paradise where no one respects rudimentary consumer protection laws any more  ???

These Dash accomplice criminal mindsets promote jurisdictional gaming of common sense law, but they will fail because they are entirely (objectively) unethical:

As I had explained to AlexGR upthread, objective ethics is not playing in zero sum games when a non-zero sum game is available that expands the pie for everyone. I realize he hails from some Communist culture where they had to steal from each other, so he was taught to not have ethics.

How can you forget altoid (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3905)? ::)
He must be first among the list.

Now rotting in jail for lifetime.

Facts:

1. Evan had at least two years of experience with crypto before launching Dash. There was no "lack of experience" as you claim. (Your statement about what "caused mistakes to be made" was opinion, by the way. I'm glad we have agreed to exclude opinion from this thread.)

2. Evan stated months ahead of the launch that he was working on a "for-profit" coin launch.

3. Evan deliberately withheld the development and feature plans until after the end of the instqamine.

4. Evan misled people about the launch schedule, launching much earlier than promised. During the first hour, over 500000 coins were mined, and in 8 hours, over a million coins.

5. Evan later cut the mining rewards and coin supply, increasing the effective size of the instamine by a factor of four or more.

6. In total, the instamine of 2 million coins represents over 30% of the current supply of Dash.

These are all objective, documented facts. No opinion. People can draw their own conclusions as to whether this was an elaborate fraud or a legitimate coin project.

I will add "Gleb Gamow" because you are using unlicensed exchangers. :)

None of those from your list, was a financial licensed exchanger. So, those who used them, knew that there are risk. I don't care about them so your list is useless. :)

Use a financial licensed exchanger and you will have NO problems. Stop complaining about illegal exchangers while you encourage them by using their services.

To be fair, Evan can come here and once again state his case, whereupon I may further amend the list in the OP (go see the edit now).

Still racking up the court cases i see son  :-X

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/11494936/Kasolas_v_DeCastro

Bryce Weiner (http://pastebin.com/zwKZQhu4)   (Razor et al.)

Wonder how many people from this list are still active in the crypto community. I know Eric Vorhees is (don't really know much about his ponzi escapade or why he's on the list, I've only known him as the ShapeShift guy. This name also rings a bell:


He's still taking bitcoin and giving out shitcoins in return.

Just wanted to bump a classic Gleb thread.