Does this forum have bears?

[steamboat]

Oh no! Someone posted a dissenting opinion on bitcointalk!!! Quick, everyone jump on the dogpile!!!!

I wouldn't call it dissenting. disinformed, disingenuous, and distant-from-the-truth seem better fits.

I almost posted a day or so ago in an attempt to help sublime and figure out where his misunderstandings were. Then I kept reading his posts. He gives me the feeling he's from a middle/upper middle class family with as much business knowledge as he could gleen from the papers of students much more studious than he.

Anyone that tells me they're too lazy to explain their own logic isn't worth my time.

[sublime5447]

Sublime judging by your posts you sound like one of those people that are upset they didn't get to stock up back when the price was in the single digits. 

I had plenty of chances to stock up, but that is not my game. I am interested in providing bitcoin to the public. I had a really hard time finding btc when I was new (still do have lots of problems) so I started a store to sell btc on ebay and then off facebook. I sell to people who have never used bitcoin before for Paypal. I sign up lots of people for nzbsrus. These customers come to me crying about how the crooks on otc and here and the internet in general stole from them and tell me how happy they are to get the coins from someone fast and honest. I want to make money buy giving people what they want not buy hoarding it away like some troll. Bitcoin is completely worthless without people adopting it. So hold to your precious 1's and 0's all the way back down.

[sublime5447]

Oh no! Someone posted a dissenting opinion on bitcointalk!!! Quick, everyone jump on the dogpile!!!!

I wouldn't call it dissenting. disinformed, disingenuous, and distant-from-the-truth seem better fits.

I almost posted a day or so ago in an attempt to help sublime and figure out where his misunderstandings were. Then I kept reading his posts. He gives me the feeling he's from a middle/upper middle class family with as much business knowledge as he could gleen from the papers of students much more studious than he.

Anyone that tells me they're too lazy to explain their own logic isn't worth my time.

I have owned my own business for 10 years or so my father has owned his business for 20 years or so, my uncle was a multi millionaire with his business before he died. I know a good amount about business, especially how to treat customers and clients. I am not form a upper middle class. I am from the lower middle class, but wtf does that matter. 

[Monster Tent]

This is the kind of response i would expect. Bitcoin can do no wrong, you guys need to stop jeking off to bitcoin logos.

This is the exact response I'd expect from someone who is blindly stuffing money into a sub-1% savings/checking account.

Enjoy your trip down devaluation/debasement lane, won't you? That is, if you even understand what those words mean.

Burying your head in the sand and claiming there are no problems with bitcoin is idiotic. One of the major issues is whether it can possibly scale to a significant degree when one single site (satoshidice) is causing the block chain to bloat and no one wants to run a full node because of it.

[TraderTimm]

This is the kind of response i would expect. Bitcoin can do no wrong, you guys need to stop jeking off to bitcoin logos.

This is the exact response I'd expect from someone who is blindly stuffing money into a sub-1% savings/checking account.

Enjoy your trip down devaluation/debasement lane, won't you? That is, if you even understand what those words mean.

Burying your head in the sand and claiming there are no problems with bitcoin is idiotic. One of the major issues is whether it can possibly scale to a significant degree when one single site (satoshidice) is causing the block chain to bloat and no one wants to run a full node because of it.

I'm aware of the potential risks, I've posted that I expect prices to retrace, possibly to a lower level than most expect. I'm on both sides of this trade - not "burying my head in the sand".

As for "sublime", he's a well known pot-stirrer in the OTC channels, so I'd trust his word about as much as I'd trust Bruce Wagner.

His juvenile language and attempts to insult other people are the icing on the cake. Hey sublime, why don't you go bang pots in the kitchen and let the grown ups worry about the future.

[sublime5447]

I cant find any grown up on otc just a bunch of kids. That site is shit.  . I just dont like dicking around and there is a lot of that with BTC.

[Herodes]

I cant find any grown up on otc just a bunch of kids. That site is shit.  . I just dont like dicking around and there is a lot of that with BTC.

That's not true. I'm an adult, and I'm there. I've also traded in person and sent money through traditional banking systems, without a hitch.

On IRC there's always a lot of idiots though. But if you check the otc pages, there are various ways of getting in touch with people, some you can send a memo to on irc, others you can e-mail and some again can be found on this forum. There's even a subforum here called currency exchange where you can find parties to trade with.


Yeah, and oh the bears..

[sublime5447]

Cool if you trade there maybe you can ask why rbecker gets to steal my name and leave neg feedback without trading with me?

[notme]

Cool if you trade there maybe you can ask why rbecker gets to steal my name and leave neg feedback without trading with me?

Probably because you're good at rubbing people the wrong way and he decided to let you know that you can't run around being needlessly hostile without consequences.

He can't auth as you and he can only steal your name if you don't register it.

A poor workman blames his tools, but sometimes he just needs to learn how to use them properly.

[wtfvanity]

[Sitarow]

Going on pure speculation one can argue that with the reward halving, BTC value should be priced in at $26

[sublime5447]

Cool if you trade there maybe you can ask why rbecker gets to steal my name and leave neg feedback without trading with me?

Probably because you're good at rubbing people the wrong way and he decided to let you know that you can't run around being needlessly hostile without consequences.

He can't auth as you and he can only steal your name if you don't register it.

A poor workman blames his tools, but sometimes he just needs to learn how to use them properly.

It is kinda funny that you mention having the wrong tools. I was a auto tech/ engine specialist for 10 years, so I know all about tools and how worthless poor quality tools are. You are saying I am the lazy one, but what kind of forum allows you to steal someone elses name? What kind of community lets people do that? Bictoin otc is a joke and a cruel on if you are new to BTC. I shouldnt have to be a programmer or web developer to get btc. And how many of you really think that serious business people are going to hold up licences and signs with a shoe on their head? 

I do have a way of rubbing people the wrong way. I have been told that I am brutally honest or honest to a fault, but you always know what you are going to get with me. I dont mind telling people what they dont want to hear.
So i have not made to many friends there, a few though. Because I think that bitcoin-otc is the worst market place I have ever attempted to shop in. It is awful and a joke to me. 

[Peter Lambert]

Going on pure speculation one can argue that with the reward halving, BTC value should be priced in at $26

That is silly, the number of bitcoins did not drop in half, just the number which are being produced. All the bitcoins that have been out there are still around.

I am not a bear exactly, I think the price will go up a little, but I think it will stabilize somewhere below 100 USD.

[wtfvanity]

Going on pure speculation one can argue that with the reward halving, BTC value should be priced in at $26

That is silly, the number of bitcoins did not drop in half, just the number which are being produced. All the bitcoins that have been out there are still around.

I am not a bear exactly, I think the price will go up a little, but I think it will stabilize somewhere below 100 USD.

I'm not a bear exactly either and I think the price will stabilize somewhere below 90 USD.

[notme]

Cool if you trade there maybe you can ask why rbecker gets to steal my name and leave neg feedback without trading with me?

Probably because you're good at rubbing people the wrong way and he decided to let you know that you can't run around being needlessly hostile without consequences.

He can't auth as you and he can only steal your name if you don't register it.

A poor workman blames his tools, but sometimes he just needs to learn how to use them properly.

It is kinda funny that you mention having the wrong tools. I was a auto tech/ engine specialist for 10 years, so I know all about tools and how worthless poor quality tools are. You are saying I am the lazy one, but what kind of forum allows you to steal someone elses name? What kind of community lets people do that? Bictoin otc is a joke and a cruel on if you are new to BTC. I shouldnt have to be a programmer or web developer to get btc. And how many of you really think that serious business people are going to hold up licences and signs with a shoe on their head? 

I do have a way of rubbing people the wrong way. I have been told that I am brutally honest or honest to a fault, but you always know what you are going to get with me. I dont mind telling people what they dont want to hear.
So i have not made to many friends there, a few though. Because I think that bitcoin-otc is the worst market place I have ever attempted to shop in. It is awful and a joke to me. 

IRC has always been that way.  It is not a forum, it is a chat protocol that has been used since the late 80s.  If you register your name nobody can take it without your password, but you obviously have not done that.  It was not intended to be the main market for bitcoin, it just happens to be convenient for those of us who use IRC every day for other reasons.

I respect that you can acknowledge your occasional brashness.  Actually, I'm coming to respect you more the more I read from you.  You're just a bit rough around the edges like most of us.  At least you don't spam my inbox like iamag .

[sublime5447]

That guy sucks. He messaged me again this morning. like an itchy asshole he will not go away.

Thanks for the complement. I am okay if you get to know me.   

[nrd525]

I'm currently loaning on bitfinex to bulls at 240-300% interest (APR) -- the average APR is more around 100%. By contrast bears can get BTC loaned at 10-15% APR.

The bitfinex lending market is solid evidence of an irrational bull market.

The fact that marginal trading on bitfinex is many times more expensive than Bitcoinica (where the maximum interest rate was 20%, right?) could tame this bull market, however it also shows how much more irrational the bulls are.

[xxjs]

You are a bear if you belive bitcoin to correct 10 down from fifty in may.

[marhjan]

I am rather bearish in the short to medium term

[bitarrow]

If all bears could unite at same time ?  hmmm