Lisk already trading at yobit

[silversmith]

https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC

[instacalm]

https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC

It hasn't even been released yet, no?

=>

why  yobit can have their lisk  and we not??  this is totally unfair ....   what the f is going on,,,,,

They don't trade real lisks. It's an asset for Lisk, a claim/requirement for Lisk.

[yelllowsin]

What is this? Main net is going to be released maybe at the end of this month.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

That's kinda bizarre.   Is this like an option or future or some kind of derivative?

[instacalm]

That's kinda bizarre.   Is this like an option or future or some kind of derivative?

Yeah,

why  yobit can have their lisk  and we not??  this is totally unfair ....   what the f is going on,,,,,

They don't trade real LISKs. It's an asset (...), [merely] a claim/requirement (...)

[yelllowsin]

That's kinda bizarre.   Is this like an option or future or some kind of derivative?

I am also trying to understand what is going on. The website also points to this explorer: https://explorer.lisk.io/

Which says transactions are going on. I am confused.

[instacalm]

That's kinda bizarre.   Is this like an option or future or some kind of derivative?

I am also trying to understand what is going on. The website also points to this explorer: https://explorer.lisk.io/

Which says transactions are going on. I am confused.

Lisk ‏@LiskHQ  47m47 minutes ago
Just a reminder! Lisk will launch end of April. You can't trade it anywhere until then!

[Nxtblg]

https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC

Really?? How in [...] did that happen!? Lisk hasn't been been released yet! What the [..] are they trading there??

Yeah, please don't hesitate to check the posts above

Just did, & edited mine accordingly. Sweet deal for Yobit: "We bought some amount of coins on ICO and now it's available for trade." https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/717734899667574784

Of course, deposits & withdrawals are disabled.

So essentially, Yobit is collecting trading fees and selling the Lisk they bought in the ICO. Much, much earlier than anyone else can sell theirs. Sweet deal for them.

And of course, it's now one of the highest-volume traders on Yobit. 

[CoinHopper]

Now this is weird. So what are these people buying and how come its happening on yobit?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

That's kinda bizarre.   Is this like an option or future or some kind of derivative?

Yeah,

why  yobit can have their lisk  and we not??  this is totally unfair ....   what the f is going on,,,,,

They don't trade real LISKs. It's an asset (...), [merely] a claim/requirement (...)

I did see that quote, just didn't know if it was the word of god or not.  I see what's listed on Yobit has traded pretty heavily thus far.  Not sure about altcoin derivatives and if they're good things.  Remember Long Term Capital Management?

[mistercashking]

Now this is weird. So what are these people buying and how come its happening on yobit?

IOU's like augur on gatecoin exchange.

[poptok1]

https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC

Really?? How in [...] did that happen!? Lisk hasn't been been released yet! What the [..] are they trading there??

Yeah, please don't hesitate to check the posts above

Just did, & edited mine accordingly. Sweet deal for Yobit: "We bought some amount of coins on ICO and now it's available for trade." https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/717734899667574784

Of course, deposits & withdrawals are disabled.

So essentially, Yobit is collecting trading fees and selling the Lisk they bought in the ICO. Much, much earlier than anyone else can sell theirs. Sweet deal for them.

And of course, it's now one of the highest-volume traders on Yobit.  

And I think it is horribly overpriced
Huge volume +huge price =huge income for Yobit.
Some people are just... what do they thinking? Greed is closing their eyes or what?
What was the ICO price, 17K? Now is selling for 270K...
One thing to say, go Yobit, give a lesson to those greedy peeps

[yelllowsin]

One thing to say, go Yobit, give a lesson to those greedy peeps

Can they even do this?

They posted here on lisk Blog a reply:

https://blog.lisk.io/official-statement-on-yobit-lisk-iou-token-trading-cca8e7e52a72#.jicjuqmx9

[kingcrimson]

Sign of what's to come, huge demand of lisk as the next ethereum

[zalucia]

Is Lisk mineable. If so, many people will start mining Lisk as Ethereum is get less profitable now and in the future.

[Nxtblg]

[And I think it is horribly overpriced
Huge volume +huge price =huge income for Yobit.
Some people are just... what do they thinking? Greed is closing their eyes or what?
What was the ICO price, 17K? Now is selling for 270K...
One thing to say, go Yobit, give a lesson to those greedy peeps

Well, I have to credit them for seeing the anger & soothing over the delayed launch as a business opportunity. They were right, and it's hard to argue with success.

And besides, the people saying "Lisk to $1 real real soon nom nom nom" must be pretty durn happy right now. I just multiplied the ask by my own holding and the calculator returned, "Hunh!?"

[cryptoheadd]

If anyone wants to buy LISK at 0.0028, send me a PM.
We can use a trustworthy escrow for the transaction. 

[Capitascism]

This is very confused situation and everything is possible especially if LISK team finally decide to release
holdings and send those coins to their owners.

[allyouracid]

I have 2188 LISK to sell, if anyone is interested. Offers via PM, and (trustworthy) escrow is no problem, of course.

.edit:
I'd sell the account, and the escrow would hold the BTC payment until the ICO LISKs are being released and officially received by their new owner.

[Frodek]

I wait for correction of price. 0.004 no longer keeps.

[cryptoheadd]

If anyone wants to buy LISK at 0.0028, send me a PM.
We can use a trustworthy escrow for the transaction. 

On yobit now lisk price is- 0.00419999 BTC. Last 1-2 h 95% was a BUY ORDER.

Still selling @ 0.003 if you want to buy.

[crazywack]

Seems sketchy... How can they guarantee deposits without being live yet?


Anyway having trouble loading the lisk page. Looks like they need to upgrade their servers...

Congrats on the nice pump for those enjoying profits

[instacalm]

Seems sketchy... How can they guarantee deposits without being live yet?

One can only trade Yobit's LISK TOKENS. There aren't any real LISK involved whatsoever at this point, you see.

[crazywack]

Seems sketchy... How can they guarantee deposits without being live yet?

One can only trade Yobit's LISK TOKENS. There aren't any real LISK involved whatsoever at this point, you see.

So how are they going to guarantee those lisk tokens will cover the real lisk when it goes live? How is any of it backed?

[instacalm]

Seems sketchy... How can they guarantee deposits without being live yet?

One can only trade Yobit's LISK TOKENS. There aren't any real LISK involved whatsoever at this point, you see.

So how are they going to guarantee those lisk tokens will cover the real lisk when it goes live? How is any of it backed?

Well don't ask me, I'm highly sceptical towards this dubious move of theirs.

[crazywack]

Seems sketchy... How can they guarantee deposits without being live yet?

One can only trade Yobit's LISK TOKENS. There aren't any real LISK involved whatsoever at this point, you see.

So how are they going to guarantee those lisk tokens will cover the real lisk when it goes live? How is any of it backed?

Well don't ask me, I'm highly sceptical towards this dubious move of theirs.

When people move their BTC out from the sales and nobody or few put LISK in to cover their "futures" sales it's going to be a shit storm. It's only going to hurt the lisk community while Yobit laughs and rebrands...

[andyatcrux]

Yobit is so shady. Seeing as ALL the tokens were theirs at the open of the market they very well could just buy up at zero loss a bunch of it to create fake volume and a base price. Lisk may very well be valuated at this price when released but I don't believe for a moment that this is real action we are seeing. The exchange is ridiculously low volume and we are to believe that customers tossed 425 BTC at IOU tokens within an hour? Bullshit.

[From Above]

Yobit is so shady. Seeing as ALL the tokens were theirs at the open of the market they very well could just buy up at zero loss a bunch of it to create fake volume and a base price. Lisk may very well be valuated at this price when released but I don't believe for a moment that this is real action we are seeing. The exchange is ridiculously low volume and we are to believe that customers tossed 425 BTC at IOU tokens within an hour? Bullshit.

Want me to throw in a couple hundred more my man ?

I dig this right now.

~CfA~

[regexlove]

would such a pre-market be better if they would offer SHORT position too?

[ThePatient]

It says website is offline, for me. Anyone else?

[BellaBitBit]

Not sure what is happening.  Does anyone have updates or theories?

[str4wm4n]

This is amazing. Seems likely Lisk will be $1 when it is actually live.

[ingiltere]

It's like an ICO of an ICO from Yobit. I don't trust them and look at the price, they must be crazy. Nobody buy from 30x more than ICO price. Yobit is looking for suckers who want to buy this without checking any information here.

[McDonalds5]

I'm already taking a poop

[From Above]

It's like an ICO of an ICO from Yobit. I don't trust them and look at the price, they must be crazy. Nobody buy from 30x more than ICO price. Yobit is looking for suckers who want to buy this without checking any information here.

0.005 is just the beginning my nifty young padawan.  0.2 is soonish aim.

~CfA~

[CoinHopper]

i cant get through to yobit. i keep getting an error. anyone else?

[mistercashking]

It's like an ICO of an ICO from Yobit. I don't trust them and look at the price, they must be crazy. Nobody buy from 30x more than ICO price. Yobit is looking for suckers who want to buy this without checking any information here.

0.005 is just the beginning my nifty young padawan.  0.2 is soonish aim.

~CfA~

Waves IOU coins coming soon.

[knowhow]

I dont get how LISK is being traded when the coin hasnt been lauched for full and neither ready to be traded soo what the hell is going one?

[ThePatient]

^Yobit claims it will swap the LISK IOU Tokens 1:1 when actual LISK is launched. Whether they will do this or not, who knows.

[regexlove]

500 bitcoin volume? - so yobit needs some sellers too
YOBIT, will you let me deposit my lisk passwort to you please?

Lisk me up before you go-go
Don't leave me hanging on like a yo-yobit
Lisk me up before you go-go
I don't want to miss it when you hit that high

[LiskCryptoFan]

Gatecoin is doing that with Augur Rep, nothing new.

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/augur/

[regexlove]

yes, yet there should be(/is) transparency about how much Lisk they have bought yet?

[LiskCryptoFan]

yes, yet there should be(/is) transparency about how much Lisk they have bought yet?

I agree. I also think they should have to put up BTC in escrow as collateral.

[Nxtblg]

Gatecoin is doing that with Augur Rep, nothing new.

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/augur/

Come to think of it, that's where they might have gotten the idea from. Myself, I guessed they got it from IOTA.

In form, Yobit's "Lisk" is the same as a Nxter's "backed by IOTA" Asset. In both cases, you have to trust the issuer: trust that the issuer will make good on the IOU when the real coins get released. 

[andyatcrux]

Yobit is so shady. Seeing as ALL the tokens were theirs at the open of the market they very well could just buy up at zero loss a bunch of it to create fake volume and a base price. Lisk may very well be valuated at this price when released but I don't believe for a moment that this is real action we are seeing. The exchange is ridiculously low volume and we are to believe that customers tossed 425 BTC at IOU tokens within an hour? Bullshit.

Want me to throw in a couple hundred more my man ?

I dig this right now.

~CfA~

  Okay. If this is indeed the real demand than fine by me. I invested (granted, maybe not enough) during the ICO.

[ingiltere]

It's like an ICO of an ICO from Yobit. I don't trust them and look at the price, they must be crazy. Nobody buy from 30x more than ICO price. Yobit is looking for suckers who want to buy this without checking any information here.

0.005 is just the beginning my nifty young padawan.  0.2 is soonish aim.

~CfA~

0.2 BTC for 1 Lisk? Are you hallucinating? What kind of drug are you on right now?
Even 0.02 is too much for that, it might happen but it comes down like Ethereum later.

[Chef Ramsay]

550 LISK for anything else you need

[Chef Ramsay]

Now. it's 750 for anything respectable for one coin. going up by the day. 2k tomorrow.

[Ayers]

It's like an ICO of an ICO from Yobit. I don't trust them and look at the price, they must be crazy. Nobody buy from 30x more than ICO price. Yobit is looking for suckers who want to buy this without checking any information here.

0.005 is just the beginning my nifty young padawan.  0.2 is soonish aim.

~CfA~

0.2 BTC for 1 Lisk? Are you hallucinating? What kind of drug are you on right now?
Even 0.02 is too much for that, it might happen but it comes down like Ethereum later.

it's already 500k on yobit, it need only to go 4x to reach 0.02 per lisk, not that crazy to expect at those rates, it can even surpass ethereum, the hype is strong enough

[NUFCrichard]

It's like an ICO of an ICO from Yobit. I don't trust them and look at the price, they must be crazy. Nobody buy from 30x more than ICO price. Yobit is looking for suckers who want to buy this without checking any information here.

0.005 is just the beginning my nifty young padawan.  0.2 is soonish aim.

~CfA~

0.2 BTC for 1 Lisk? Are you hallucinating? What kind of drug are you on right now?
Even 0.02 is too much for that, it might happen but it comes down like Ethereum later.

it's already 500k on yobit, it need only to go 4x to reach 0.02 per lisk, not that crazy to expect at those rates, it can even surpass ethereum, the hype is strong enough

But based on what? Hype?
Ethereum has actually been trading a while, has some infrastructure in place.  LISK at the moment seems to be trading high because it is limited in it's trading, I think it will fall when it starts to trade properly. 

Some will buy and hold, traders will fly in, then it will settle down, until infrastructure is build.

[arseaboy]

It's like an ICO of an ICO from Yobit. I don't trust them and look at the price, they must be crazy. Nobody buy from 30x more than ICO price. Yobit is looking for suckers who want to buy this without checking any information here.

0.005 is just the beginning my nifty young padawan.  0.2 is soonish aim.

~CfA~

0.2 BTC for 1 Lisk? Are you hallucinating? What kind of drug are you on right now?
Even 0.02 is too much for that, it might happen but it comes down like Ethereum later.

it's already 500k on yobit, it need only to go 4x to reach 0.02 per lisk, not that crazy to expect at those rates, it can even surpass ethereum, the hype is strong enough

But based on what? Hype?
Ethereum has actually been trading a while, has some infrastructure in place.  LISK at the moment seems to be trading high because it is limited in it's trading, I think it will fall when it starts to trade properly. 

Some will buy and hold, traders will fly in, then it will settle down, until infrastructure is build.

this is also my concerned about early trading I don't see any concrete proof that this alt can be use in future development unlike eth who already got some establish plan for it to grow. and also lisk dev did said that it is not yet been release (real lisk coin).

[NorrisK]

It's like an ICO of an ICO from Yobit. I don't trust them and look at the price, they must be crazy. Nobody buy from 30x more than ICO price. Yobit is looking for suckers who want to buy this without checking any information here.

0.005 is just the beginning my nifty young padawan.  0.2 is soonish aim.

~CfA~

0.2 BTC for 1 Lisk? Are you hallucinating? What kind of drug are you on right now?
Even 0.02 is too much for that, it might happen but it comes down like Ethereum later.

it's already 500k on yobit, it need only to go 4x to reach 0.02 per lisk, not that crazy to expect at those rates, it can even surpass ethereum, the hype is strong enough

But based on what? Hype?
Ethereum has actually been trading a while, has some infrastructure in place.  LISK at the moment seems to be trading high because it is limited in it's trading, I think it will fall when it starts to trade properly. 

Some will buy and hold, traders will fly in, then it will settle down, until infrastructure is build.

The nice thing about lisk is that it will have a working infrastructure on launch. Dapps can already be devloped on the testnet and currently only bugts are being ironed out.

At launch we will have a fully working infrastructure with working dapps, which is completely different from most coin launches.

[lordoliver]

Its shitty, that yobit stays the only possibility prerelease.
Thats why I issued a NXT asset:

Asset NAME: LISKIOU
Asset ID: 8871803578190017506
(be sure to use the right id. Names are not unique)

Start Price: 250 NXT (< 0.005BTC)

[goldmaxx]

What you guys don't seem to see, or willing to see, is that the current price at Yobit is artificial...
It's a typical offer-demand example... not much for sale and a huge demand!
Once the ICO coins get released, the offer(sell) side will take over the demand(buy) side again and the price will come down to it's normal level... After that it wil rise again, but I don't expect 500K in the next few months...

Regards

Goldmaxx

[RealRimlin]

Who wants buy 1100LISK, pls PM me)) for 20BTC 

[DeadBirdzz]

LISK IOUs now trading on https://www.bloombit.net/trade
WTF???

[BitcoinHodler]

What you guys don't seem to see, or willing to see, is that the current price at Yobit is artificial...
It's a typical offer-demand example... not much for sale and a huge demand!
Once the ICO coins get released, the offer(sell) side will take over the demand(buy) side again and the price will come down to it's normal level... After that it wil rise again, but I don't expect 500K in the next few months...

Regards

Goldmaxx

i agree, as soon as it is officially released and other's can have their coins at hand (not just yobit's fake coins) the price is going to fall so hard.

but after that i am sure LISK will have a good future, even better than spamcoin called etherum

[Ridley69]

Please, help me...

I don't know how to send my LISK from my account on https://login.lisk.io/ to yobit...?
I can't use my lisk, i want to trade them

[cryptoheadd]

Please, help me...

I don't know how to send my LISK from my account on https://login.lisk.io/ to yobit...?
I can't use my lisk, i want to trade them

Lisk hasn't launched yet.

You can't sell it

[btc_zero_sum]

Please, help me...

I don't know how to send my LISK from my account on https://login.lisk.io/ to yobit...?
I can't use my lisk, i want to trade them

Lisk hasn't launched yet.

You can't sell it

yes because the exchange is trading IOU tokens and not the actual coin (that is not yet released)

most traders are going to get hardcore losses, a very few will profit, exchange included.

basically a single exchange has already burned the market (and maybe even reputation) of a coin not yet existing

[Ridley69]

And do you know when lisk will be officially launched?

[cryptoheadd]

And do you know when lisk will be officially launched?

yes, it will be launched till the end of this month.

[JosNekoKopa]

Till then train will leave the station, This is wonderful trick and investors are on fire right now! And they can
only watch what is going on. This is why ninja launch is best and no premine ..Old School

[RoommateAgreement]

Till then train will leave the station, This is wonderful trick and investors are on fire right now! And they can
only watch what is going on. This is why ninja launch is best and no premine ..Old School

yeah, but i think it can be bad for the real price of the coin when it is released.
right now since nobody can sell their real coins on yobit everything is unclear and even the buys and the volume can be fake.
so by the time it is being released the high price might cause a big crash if the ICO holders sell their coins.

[BitMaxz]

Yeah i saw this lisk yesterday with 0.006 price and now the price is very fast to increase in 0.015 in yobit.. and i think i am late to buy right now because its very high price.. i will wait for their faucet and wait for their wallet to be available..

[cryptohunter]

Till then train will leave the station, This is wonderful trick and investors are on fire right now! And they can
only watch what is going on. This is why ninja launch is best and no premine ..Old School

Ninja launch is pure scam.

Announced fair release protocol is the only way to release coins with POW.
If dev wants a cut announce it and have escrows hold it and release to the devs when milestones are completed.

Ninja is for the dev that wants zero mining competition at the start where all the easy coins lay.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This is such a sad state of affairs.  People can't even wait to trade a shitcoin, they have to have this sort of thing to gamble with.  Crazy!  And what the hell is going to make this coin so special anyway?

[needmoney90]

This is such a sad state of affairs.  People can't even wait to trade a shitcoin, they have to have this sort of thing to gamble with.  Crazy!  And what the hell is going to make this coin so special anyway?

[knowhow]

Well people are bumping those lisk a lot again the volume on the 500btc ouch maybe the people will try to keep the current price,but i believe the coin cant keep that value after being live.

[CoinHopper]

Well people are bumping those lisk a lot again the volume on the 500btc ouch maybe the people will try to keep the current price,but i believe the coin cant keep that value after being live.

yes its a death trap for lisk. stupid move on yobits part.

[axxo]

Well people are bumping those lisk a lot again the volume on the 500btc ouch maybe the people will try to keep the current price,but i believe the coin cant keep that value after being live.

yes its a death trap for lisk. stupid move on yobits part.

Yobit just wants to make more money from those trades. But still it might really have a negative implications on the part of Lisk.

[LiskCryptoFan]

Please, help me...

I don't know how to send my LISK from my account on https://login.lisk.io/ to yobit...?
I can't use my lisk, i want to trade them

Lisk hasn't launched yet.

You can't sell it

yes because the exchange is trading IOU tokens and not the actual coin (that is not yet released)

most traders are going to get hardcore losses, a very few will profit, exchange included.

basically a single exchange has already burned the market (and maybe even reputation) of a coin not yet existing

Same way Gatecoin burned Augur with its IOUs? Sure.

[LEONPATTON]

The whole thing, their silence , anonymity just smells really bad.  When it goes live people are going to scramble to sell. Its now $10 per coin. YOBIT reputation doesn't seem to matter to them and that to me smells like their going to do a runner just before Lisk goes live.

[BitMaxz]

The whole thing, their silence , anonymity just smells really bad.  When it goes live people are going to scramble to sell. Its now $10 per coin. YOBIT reputation doesn't seem to matter to them and that to me smells like their going to do a runner just before Lisk goes live.

lisk price movement are very fast.. yesterday the price is 0.015 now the price is 0.021 unbelievable and i think this is just a beta altcoin because i dont see any wallet to download or to install..
Guys do you have wallet for lisk?

[CoinHopper]

What is lisk is broken or does not work at the launch then the buyers on yobit will be screwed the most. This is a very dangerous game to be playing with IOU's.

[axxo]

The whole thing, their silence , anonymity just smells really bad.  When it goes live people are going to scramble to sell. Its now $10 per coin. YOBIT reputation doesn't seem to matter to them and that to me smells like their going to do a runner just before Lisk goes live.

lisk price movement are very fast.. yesterday the price is 0.015 now the price is 0.021 unbelievable and i think this is just a beta altcoin because i dont see any wallet to download or to install..
Guys do you have wallet for lisk?

There's only a web wallet but Lisk mainnet does not even officially launch yet.  Yobit only selling Lisk IOU tokens which is not the actual Lisk tokens.

[traumschiff]

Yobit shouldn't have added IOU trading, can't go any lower I guess to raise popularity and use of the exchange.

[Rune]

Yobit shouldn't have added IOU trading, can't go any lower I guess to raise popularity and use of the exchange.

It got them tons of profit and brought in new ppl and volume. seemed like a smart move to me.

[Master_dandosha]

Yobit shouldn't have added IOU trading, can't go any lower I guess to raise popularity and use of the exchange.

It got them tons of profit and brought in new ppl and volume. seemed like a smart move to me.

Yes it is very smart move from yobit to add lisk , many jump to get profit only including yobit .
But the past\current prices of lisk in yobit will definitely affect the real price of lisk when launched . 

[orendel]

Plenty of time till Lisk launch.
I don't think that the IOU current price forecast the real price.

[arseaboy]

Plenty of time till Lisk launch.
I don't think that the IOU current price forecast the real price.

it is harder to know what will happen next after the icu many holders are dumping It from yobit so I don't have any idea if I'll jump and buy one or wait
until the icu completed.

[Nxtblg]

Yobit shouldn't have added IOU trading, can't go any lower I guess to raise popularity and use of the exchange.

It got them tons of profit and brought in new ppl and volume. seemed like a smart move to me.

Yes it is very smart move from yobit to add lisk , many jump to get profit only including yobit .
But the past\current prices of lisk in yobit will definitely affect the real price of lisk when launched .  

I guess we can classify it as "shrewd but shady." I'm someone who complimented it as shrewd, but I have roots in the Nxt-&-Nxt-clone subsector so I pegged it as essentially an "IOU Asset." These are run-of-the-mill in the Nxt world, tho' they all require trusting the respective issuers.

[dalovar]

I have 1550.836 LISK to sell. Offers via PM.

We can use http://bitrated.com escrow or any other reputable escrow to make the transaction secure for both.

I'd sell my ico.lisk.io account along with the 12-word passphrase. The escrow would hold the BTC payment until the ICO LISKs are released officially and sent to your Lisk address.

[bitspender]

Looks like yobit pulled another YOVI scam by artificialy creating insane prices for things that don't exist.

So, imagine. You're a 17yr old kiddie who just spend 50$ from his pocketmoney in LISK. And now you get 100BTC in return.

Ooooh it will be a bloody mess combined with a lot of tears when the greedy one's instant dump their LISK to claim those highly insane, scammy looking profits.

luckily for you guys, it's just a token that has nothing to do with the real LISK. Let's just see if Yobit will actually swap all those generated tokens into real LISK at the same rate first 
IF they do, it will be messy - I'll be the first one to dump over 200k LISK, without any doubt or hesitation.