Is Socialism losing against Capitalism?

[Moloch]

Perhaps it is not the same for you, but I will not engage in petty back and forth trolling with you...


Simply because, my time is more valuable... to me anyway... to each their own... if you want to waste your life trolling people you disagree with on internet forums... by all means, it's your life

Please quit pretending you won... or that I'm running away... your entire 4-paragraph rebuttal to my argument consists of, "sure, USA is corrupt, but so is everyone else"

Somehow that proves capitalism is better does it?  (this is a rhetorical question, I probably won't come back to read this trollfest again)

You simply don't have an argument to refute... you didn't say anything with all those words... just wasted words... shameful

If you are so keen on people citing sources, why don't you ever cite a single source? (again, rhetorical)

[TECSHARE]

Perhaps it is not the same for you, but I will not engage in petty back and forth trolling with you...


Simply because, my time is more valuable... to me anyway... to each their own... if you want to waste your life trolling people you disagree with on internet forums... by all means, it's your life

Please quit pretending you won... or that I'm running away... your entire 4-paragraph rebuttal to my argument consists of, "sure, USA is corrupt, but so is everyone else"

Somehow that proves capitalism is better does it?  (this is a rhetorical question, I probably won't come back to read this trollfest again)

You simply don't have an argument to refute... you didn't say anything with all those words... just wasted words... shameful

If you are so keen on people citing sources, why don't you ever cite a single source? (again, rhetorical)

Please refrain from using words you do not actually know the definition of.

Definition of rhetoric:
1. The art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the exploitation of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

1.1. Language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

I am attempting to have a debate with you but you are in fact just running away. I explained USING THE SCIENCE OF LOGIC why Capitalism is more functional than Socialism/Communism. You are too ignorant to even begin to have an actual debate, so you just claim there are no points to debate. Conveniently this allows you to maintain your bias unchallenged by simply disregarding everything without critical examination.

[Lethn]

Yeah yeah, keep raging.

When someone whom I don't agree with learns how logic works

With comments like these you're just pretty much proving my point.

I know you are clearly ignorant of this, but logic is a SCIENCE. It is the very basis of language. Without it you are just posting a collection of letters representing various grunts. I am sorry you and others are so poorly educated you can not grasp this basic requirement for actual legitimate debate.

Yes and you're not doing Science, you're just making self-moderated threads on issues you care about and deleting the posts of people who try to argue with you.

[Betwrong]

Yes, IMO Socialism is losing to Capitalism, OP is right. The Socialism I'm talking about is a  social system where one political party (Communist party) rules over the whole country. It is incorrect in this context to say that countries like Denmark or Sweden are socialst, because have always been allies to the USA not to the Soviet Union. In Sweden for example they have the Freedom of the Press Act (Swedish: Tryckfrihetsförordningen), and the Fundamental Law on Freedom of Expression (Swedish: Yttrandefrihetsgrundlagen) and in "socialist" countries you don't have freedom of speech.

[ilvbtc]

IMO NO use of debate/s over those that are almost already dead and stinking.
Both these major systems couldn't give man a 'peaceful life' is the sour truth.
Things only worsen,either way we go.
They are just systems born to see if they work against the 'troubles' man created/creating out of 'blunders'(mainly in the religious,political areas)(yes not mistakes..because only blunders lead to almost irrepairable states/situations in any sphere and at every stage Ex:In medical field,at one stage in the remote past,'choice' was to be made between 'germs produce disease' and 'disease produces germs'(Do not remember the names of the two opposing proponents of these two theories)...The first one became our choice and we know where we are now with respect to 'developments'(even becoming the biggest multi billion industry is also part of this 'development',of course)  in modern medicine and trying to find new drugs after the new drugs to kill the ever changing/mutating germs)...And systems do fail because it's always like stitching 'old cloth'( man-made) that tears up at some other place or at the same place after a stitch is made.(and there are/will be systems that always try to make holes in the name of stitches)
That's what the present social scenario brought/dragged to by the wrong 'choices' of man at every stage from time immemorial.Looks only a brand 'new cloth' is the only way out.Till then we just have no other go than to be puppets at the hands of the 'ruling/reigning people' and their policies.And how this 'new cloth' comes in to being is just a thing of future...and let's hope it happens for sure.

[TECSHARE]

Yeah yeah, keep raging.

When someone whom I don't agree with learns how logic works

With comments like these you're just pretty much proving my point.

I know you are clearly ignorant of this, but logic is a SCIENCE. It is the very basis of language. Without it you are just posting a collection of letters representing various grunts. I am sorry you and others are so poorly educated you can not grasp this basic requirement for actual legitimate debate.

Yes and you're not doing Science, you're just making self-moderated threads on issues you care about and deleting the posts of people who try to argue with you.

You are way off topic and need to get a life if this is your primary concern. Why don't you make a thread about it so you can cry some more over A SINGLE THREAD with simple rules. Its ok for a bunch of rejects to storm in on Trump meetings and rallies and ACTUALLY DENY those people free speech, but I set up a moderated thread with SIMPLE RULES and OH MY GOD THE HORROR! THE HORROR! You are a closet lefty joke.

[Moloch]

Perhaps it is not the same for you, but I will not engage in petty back and forth trolling with you...


Simply because, my time is more valuable... to me anyway... to each their own... if you want to waste your life trolling people you disagree with on internet forums... by all means, it's your life

Please quit pretending you won... or that I'm running away... your entire 4-paragraph rebuttal to my argument consists of, "sure, USA is corrupt, but so is everyone else"

Somehow that proves capitalism is better does it?  (this is a rhetorical question, I probably won't come back to read this trollfest again)

You simply don't have an argument to refute... you didn't say anything with all those words... just wasted words... shameful

If you are so keen on people citing sources, why don't you ever cite a single source? (again, rhetorical)

Please refrain from using words you do not actually know the definition of.

Definition of rhetoric:
1. The art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the exploitation of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

1.1. Language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

Seriously?  You don't know what a, rhetorical question, is?

How did you graduate middle-school without understanding a rhetorical question? (this is a rhetorical question)

Here, let me help you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked to make a point rather than to elicit an answer. Though classically stated as a proper question, such a rhetorical device may be posed declaratively[citation needed] by implying a question, and therefore may not always require a question mark when written. Though a rhetorical question does not require a direct answer, in many cases it may be intended to start a discussion or at least draw an acknowledgement that the listener understands the intended message.

A common example is the question "Can't you do anything right?" This question, when posed, is intended not to ask about the listener's abilities, but rather to insinuate a lack of the listener's abilities.

Although sometimes amusing and even humorous, rhetorical questions are rarely meant for pure, comedic effect.

[TECSHARE]

Seriously?  You don't know what a, rhetorical question, is?

ROFL

Here, let me help you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

"A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked to make a point rather than to elicit an answer. Though classically stated as a proper question, such a rhetorical device may be posed declaratively[citation needed] by implying a question, and therefore may not always require a question mark when written. Though a rhetorical question does not require a direct answer, in many cases it may be intended to start a discussion or at least draw an acknowledgement that the listener understands the intended message."

A common example is the question "Can't you do anything right?" This question, when posed, is intended not to ask about the listener's abilities, but rather to insinuate a lack of the listener's abilities.

Although sometimes amusing and even humorous, rhetorical questions are rarely meant for pure, comedic effect.

Please, stop using words and phrases which you don't know the meaning of, it is sad and pathetic. I had a larger vocabulary than you when I was 12. You are just endlessly avoiding responding to my actual points with your ACTUAL rhetoric. This is just a strategy to continue endless finger pointing and arguing so you can avoid having your ideology critically examined. Show me you are as smart as you think you are, respond to my OP in this thread.

[Moloch]

Seriously?  You don't know what a, rhetorical question, is?

ROFL

Here, let me help you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked to make a point rather than to elicit an answer. Though classically stated as a proper question, such a rhetorical device may be posed declaratively[citation needed] by implying a question, and therefore may not always require a question mark when written. Though a rhetorical question does not require a direct answer, in many cases it may be intended to start a discussion or at least draw an acknowledgement that the listener understands the intended message.

A common example is the question "Can't you do anything right?" This question, when posed, is intended not to ask about the listener's abilities, but rather to insinuate a lack of the listener's abilities.

Although sometimes amusing and even humorous, rhetorical questions are rarely meant for pure, comedic effect.

Please, stop using words and phrases which you don't know the meaning of, it is sad and pathetic. I had a larger vocabulary than you when I was 12. You are just endlessly avoiding responding to my actual points with your ACTUAL rhetoric. This is just a strategy to continue endless finger pointing and arguing so you can avoid having your ideology critically examined. Show me you are as smart as you think you are, respond to my OP in this thread.

Troll much?

You can't even properly edit a quote... why would anyone listen to anything you say?

You haven't said ANYTHING here besides trolling... you have no interest in a debate... you are simply a retarded troll wishing to remain ignorant

You can't even troll properly... here you are trying to troll me, and failing miserably

You have not made a single point... you have not even refuted my point that capitalism has corruption built into the system, whereas socialism need to outsource their corruption to Panama...

The only thing you have said in this entire thread that wasn't complete trolling, was, "yes, USA is corrupt, but so is everyone else"

You fail... you simply fail... you get an F-

[TECSHARE]

First, look up the differences between communism and socialism

Second, look into the socialist countries that are doing well... Sweden, Norway, Denmark, most of Europe, etc

Third, name a capitalist country besides America

Fourth, America is in the shitter right now, and dragging the whole world down with it... America is most definitely not doing well... I'd go so far as to say America is fucked and another recession/depression is about to smash us in the face again

This is mainly due to the inherent corruption in the capitalist system... it's not a good system at all... it breeds corruption and the most corrupt will always end up with all the money... this is why 50% of the world's money is held by only 63 people

It is no secret the USA is in a depression right now, but capitalism and socialism/communism are just two sides of the same corrupt coin, both sides run by bankers. I might add that a large part of the reason the USA is failing economically right now is its more recent turn towards socialism. Capitalism is designed to build up capital while communism/socialism is designed to strip that wealth and tear down societies. It is just a global system of controlled opposition. Red vs blue, republican vs democrat, capitalism vs communism, only on a global scale. Just look at the soviet flag, it is composed of two ancient symbols, the hammer and the sickle. The hammer represents building society up, and the sickle represents tearing it down. It is right in your face. The Federal Reserve Bank even funded The Soviet Union for many years as Russia went bankrupt some time in the late 1800's. As far as socialism and communism being different, this is a lie because socialism is designed to segway the target society into communism. Read some of the writings of Lenin where he clearly describes it as such.

Capitalism > Democracy > Socialism > Communism > Repeat

Both sides are equally corrupt. The benefits of socialism/communism are short lived and end in the society consumes itself once there are no more people left to rob, just like cancer. Also don't fool yourself, America is not the only country in the shitter right now economically speaking, and you can not truthfully put the entire blame for this on the USA. USA does not have a monopoly on corruption. Additionally there are PLENTY of other capitalist nations, your implication that there aren't is asinine.  Also China is very clearly a capitalist state even if they still harbor some communistic tendencies. The only difference is the capitalism is under control of the state. The state is not your friend no matter where you reside or what ideology you support.

As far as Europe doing well, I beg to differ. It's socialist tendencies are what is driving the massive immigration influx, and frankly Europe can not defend itself from the on coming onslaught coming down upon it, especially since most of Europe bans the private ownership of firearms. This  leaves most of its residents defenseless against the radical militants which make up the majority of the so called "refugees", most of which are fighting age males not even from Syria. The welfare state in Europe is very clearly what is motivating this massive wave of immigration, in addition to militant goals of jihadist conquest.

In conclusion, both "sides" of this ideological conflict are corrupt and just two faces of the same bankster elite. However, given that capitalism is at least focused on the creation of wealth and keeps all the services we all depend on functioning, it seems to me that this is the better choice of two evils at the moment until things can be changed or reformed. Socialism and communism gives zero incentive to people to actually work and provide services resulting in societal decay at a much more rapid pace. Don't be sucked into this US vs THEM controlled opposition Hegelian dialectic. Ultimately both are losing strategies and tools of the elite.

Stop running away. Respond.

[withche.07]

Socialism as alternative to capitalism has already lost the war.
But strangely, it does not change the fact that inequalities and struggle of classes are still there.
So, socialism as antithesis is still there buried inside capitalism to solve its critical problems like healthcare and education or luxury consumption.

[Moloch]

Socialism as alternative to capitalism has already lost the war.
But strangely, it does not change the fact that inequalities and struggle of classes are still there.
So, socialism as antithesis is still there buried inside capitalism to solve its critical problems like healthcare and education or luxury consumption.

1) What war?

2) USA declared capitalism the winner... so it is?

What is this, religion?... lets see some facts and evidence to support your opinion

[TECSHARE]

Socialism as alternative to capitalism has already lost the war.
But strangely, it does not change the fact that inequalities and struggle of classes are still there.
So, socialism as antithesis is still there buried inside capitalism to solve its critical problems like healthcare and education or luxury consumption.

1) What war?

2) USA declared capitalism the winner... so it is?

What is this, religion?... lets see some facts and evidence to support your opinion

Still running away.

[Sponsoredby15]

Probably no, the principle of socialism is quantity when it comes to business industry. Quantity is better than higher tax. Hard investment is also better than stacks. Because people wants job. And most of them are in the middle class so therefore if hard investment is priority which is socialism many jobs will create same formula as you lower tax so many foreign investors invest and the economy of your country will boom. Thats the basic principle as well as socialist person is not corrupt so he can implement the profit of his government properly and effectively. Priority is very important than your luxury.

[parthack9]

The reason why I asked this is purely based on Observation. Particularly the following:
1. Soviet Unions collapse.
2. China embracing a capitalist form of economy.
3. Fall of other communist and socialist regimes.
4. Increased foreign relations of Socialist countries with the United States (as the case of Cuba and Vietnam)
5. In my observation, no gains in terms of the struggle of the communists and leftists around the world.

This is an honest question as I do not have sufficient knowledge of the Socialist's plight and experiences.

Thank you for your response.

All Ism's weather they be capital , social, communal, (or economic or political) are merely systems which are only as good as the people who choose to utilize those systems.

if you seek to make capitalism beneficial for everyone it will be and if you are greedy and seek only to make it work for yourself you will break it.
such is the problem of Greed VS a Free Market System

If you seek to make socialism work for everyones advantage, then along side private donations given to the communal cause, govt programs can be a wonderful thing (such as in the case of many Canadian Hospitals that also have privately donated equipment which makes them even better socialized hospitals) but if you seek to take advantage of these systems for your own greed, than greedy people can make socialism not work as in many past cases.

if you look at Europe there are many cases where socialism is working well currently, but it works because the people who use that system want it to work.

All systems are just systems, they have no feelings they are only as good as people who try and make them work

[ridewithme]

The reason why I asked this is purely based on Observation. Particularly the following:
1. Soviet Unions collapse.
2. China embracing a capitalist form of economy.
3. Fall of other communist and socialist regimes.
4. Increased foreign relations of Socialist countries with the United States (as the case of Cuba and Vietnam)
5. In my observation, no gains in terms of the struggle of the communists and leftists around the world.

This is an honest question as I do not have sufficient knowledge of the Socialist's plight and experiences.

Thank you for your response.

All Ism's weather they be capital , social, communal, (or economic or political) are merely systems which are only as good as the people who choose to utilize those systems.

if you seek to make capitalism beneficial for everyone it will be and if you are greedy and seek only to make it work for yourself you will break it.
such is the problem of Greed VS a Free Market System

If you seek to make socialism work for everyones advantage, then along side private donations given to the communal cause, govt programs can be a wonderful thing (such as in the case of many Canadian Hospitals that also have privately donated equipment which makes them even better socialized hospitals) but if you seek to take advantage of these systems for your own greed, than greedy people can make socialism not work as in many past cases.

if you look at Europe there are many cases where socialism is working well currently, but it works because the people who use that system want it to work.

All systems are just systems, they have no feelings they are only as good as people who try and make them work

Very well said, dude, couldn't have said it better myself! There is no one right way only the way that works for our current situauion!