FJ Agrees to make payment after extraordinary display of scumminess(Cliffs inOP)

[TwitchySeal]

Nope. Scam accusation relates to video contest, not primary FJ activities (casino).

The second part involves them allowing honest players to be cheated by dishonest players in their poker room.

You can't say they're advertising scam, unless you see them advertising video contest, which is now closed afaik.

I guess this is true.  They advertised the contest with huge prizes for months, extended the deadline by another month and then paid out only tiny prizes.  But no, they aren't advertising for the contest which is now over any more.

It's also not a scam in classic meaning, as I don't think FJ did directly benefit on all that.

There are many was to define "scam" and I agree FJs actions do not satisfy all of them.  They did directly benefit from this contest though.  They put out an official looking press release which was picked up by many affiliate sites and blogs giving them the appearance of a site which should be trusted to.  Then there's also the 10 videos which FJ jack now exclusively owns.  Some of the contestants even paid to have their video hosted on other sites to get more views.  All of this directly benefits FJ.

They didn't steal anyone's funds, you could say they stole peoples' time and work though (assuming they're actively using submitted vids).

They owe the contestants the prizes they promised.  Period.  Whether or not they are actively using submitted videos is irrelevant.

What I think happened here, is FJ fucked up on starting a contest without proper, clear T&C (which is way too common in BTC gambling world). I'm pretty sure they made a mistake and meant 3 BTC to be divided not 3 BTC each. But then, instead of simply saying 'sorry, we made a mistake' they went ahead with weird excuses making it worse.

Even if they meant to say 3 BTC divided, that would of been .3 BTC to each.  They still only paid out 10% of that (.03 BTC)! 

Their argument is basically, "we didn't have to pay out anyone anything if we didn't want to, be happy we gave .03 to some of them"

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[pawel7777]

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Yes it is actually a scam in the only real meaning to the word.
https://i.gyazo.com/cbf4f7bd565ac7d9d164d814c990f89e.png

Which is exactly what? Google it again and look a bit below a quick dumb-down "definition", can you see something like this:

a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.

scam meaning, definition, what is scam: an illegal plan for making money, especially

fraud
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

So where's the gain?

Don't know where you are getting your English lessons from?

Is this supposed to be a question? Try harder.

[karakhan]

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Yes it is actually a scam in the only real meaning to the word.
https://i.gyazo.com/cbf4f7bd565ac7d9d164d814c990f89e.png

Which is exactly what? Google it again and look a bit below a quick dumb-down "definition", can you see something like this:

a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.

scam meaning, definition, what is scam: an illegal plan for making money, especially

fraud
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

So where's the gain?

Don't know where you are getting your English lessons from?

Is this supposed to be a question? Try harder.

with that logic if you dont get your pay from sign campaing you will not say sign campaigner is scamer right?

[TwitchySeal]

with that logic if you dont get your pay from sign campaing you will not say sign campaigner is scamer right?

Good point.  

Lets say a site decided to end their sig campaign and not pay anyone for the final month.

Could we call them scammers even though the Sig campaign was closed?  I think most would.

Not with pawels logic:

You can't say they're advertising scam, unless you see them advertising video contest, which is now closed afaik.

Would the site benefit by keeping funds for themselves that the members were entitled to?  Yes obviously.  

But not with Pawels logic:

It's also not a scam in classic meaning, as I don't think FJ did directly benefit on all that.

With pawels logic, they would be not be guilty of stealing money and since they were no longer actively using the signatures, they wouldn't be guilty of stealing time and work.

They didn't steal anyone's funds, you could say they stole peoples' time and work though (assuming they're actively using submitted vids).

Would participating in a signature campaign for an unethically run business be ethical (Like FJ or Betcoin.ag?)  

[pawel7777]

FFS I didn't say FJ definitely didn't scam people, I said it's not quite the scam in a classic meaning. Which is not.

The main issue here is that contest had no clear terms and conditions and it didn't get as much interest as FJ expected, comparing this to signature campaign is bit missed.

But if you're desperate to do it, it would be more like sig campaign refusing payment due to low quality posts and participant felt scammed because there wasn't a clear definition of what 'constructive post' is. Guess what, this happens all the time.

To dumb it down, in terms of FJ's contest, it's a question whether (with lack of T&Cs) every entry should be classed as qualifying, or whether you accept FJ to reject entries due to low quality (based on their own judgement).

To put this to extreme, if I submitted video featuring my dick and me drunk-shouting "F**k FJ" should I feel entitled to being rewarded, just because there are less entries than paid places? Would you support my claim, or would you give FJ a right to reject my entry?

Point is, it's not always a black/white situation.


To summarise, in my opinion, lack of clear rules should be judged more (but not entirely) in favour of participants. FJ should apologise and look to settle the matter by paying out at least according to the table, so:

4-10: 3 btc total: ~0.43 each
11-30: 3 btc total: 0.15 each

But you should give FJ right to reject very low-quality vids (if there are such at all).

Hopefully that would settle it.


ps. All my knowledge of the matter comes from first post of this thread, which I assume is accurate. I haven't seen any of the vids, and I don't even visit FJ anymore as it's blocked in UK.

ps2. the second accusation didn't get any traction, so not commenting on it.

[GamingOn]

FFS I didn't say FJ definitely didn't scam people, I said it's not quite the scam in a classic meaning. Which is not.

The main issue here is that contest had no clear terms and conditions and it didn't get as much interest as FJ expected, comparing this to signature campaign is bit missed.

But if you're desperate to do it, it would be more like sig campaign refusing payment due to low quality posts and participant felt scammed because there wasn't a clear definition of what 'constructive post' is. Guess what, this happens all the time.

To dumb it down, in terms of FJ's contest, it's a question whether (with lack of T&Cs) every entry should be classed as qualifying, or whether you accept FJ to reject entries due to low quality (based on their own judgement).

To put this to extreme, if I submitted video featuring my dick and me drunk-shouting "F**k FJ" should I feel entitled to being rewarded, just because there are less entries than paid places? Would you support my claim, or would you give FJ a right to reject my entry?

Point is, it's not always a black/white situation.


To summarise, in my opinion, lack of clear rules should be judged more (but not entirely) in favour of participants. FJ should apologise and look to settle the matter by paying out at least according to the table, so:

4-10: 3 btc total: ~0.43 each
11-30: 3 btc total: 0.15 each

But you should give FJ right to reject very low-quality vids (if there are such at all).

Hopefully that would settle it.


ps. All my knowledge of the matter comes from first post of this thread, which I assume is accurate. I haven't seen any of the vids, and I don't even visit FJ anymore as it's blocked in UK.

ps2. the second accusation didn't get any traction, so not commenting on it.

TL:DR

Anyway. TL:DR Means too long didn't read.
Also the profit he made or whatever word you used that means the same thing money earned is the tons of BTC he didn't pay out. He stole that from people who worked for it.

[TwitchySeal]

FFS I didn't say FJ definitely didn't scam people, I said it's not quite the scam in a classic meaning. Which is not.

I quoted exactly what you said.  It wasn't that.

The main issue here is that contest had no clear terms and conditions and it didn't get as much interest as FJ expected

No, the contest terms were clear enough to conclude that FortuneJack did not honor them, this is the the main issue.

Those who did enter the contest should not suffer because others did not.

To summarise, in my opinion, lack of clear rules should be judged more (but not entirely) in favour of participants. FJ should apologise and look to settle the matter by paying out at least according to the table, so:

4-10: 3 btc total: ~0.43 each
11-30: 3 btc total: 0.15 each

But you should give FJ right to reject very low-quality vids (if there are such at all).

Hopefully that would settle it.

I agree, and Fortune Jack had plenty of opportunity to do the right thing.  They chose not to.

I don't enjoy making these threads, I do it because I don't think anyone else will if I don't.  Players were asking FJ whats up with the contest on April 2.  They kept asking.  Almost a week before making this thread, I told them if they didn't respond I would be making issue more public.  If they had explained specifically why each video not getting a prize didn't qualify (and it made sense) and paid those that did .3 BTC I would never have created thread.

[PilusGaruda]

To summarise, in my opinion, lack of clear rules should be judged more (but not entirely) in favour of participants. FJ should apologise and look to settle the matter by paying out at least according to the table, so:

4-10: 3 btc total: ~0.43 each
11-30: 3 btc total: 0.15 each

But you should give FJ right to reject very low-quality vids (if there are such at all).

Hopefully that would settle it.

The only and simple way to solve this problem are pay the amount which pawel7777 mentioned.

fj must realized current -4 negative reputation in their account will affected to the casino.

pay them and case closed because fj has a good intention . but if they refused / ignored i think they deserve more negative numbers?

[bitkilo]

It will be a real shame if this is not sorted out.
FJ has the best casino interface i have seen, simple clear and easy layout.

[irfan_pak10]

I did already posted all the Proofs in their thread 0n 02 April 2016, But didnt get any response from there site.

The really Nice thing I found about this site is that they are really Punctual and user friendly. I encountered 2-3 times with this site and find very organised and user friendly. The last time i have encountered is there youtube video contest. They emailed and PMed me very in time. And this is great for a good site.

But the things I dont like, I wasnt expecting that much low reward for this video i think, i was looking something big for sure, because the that large contest and 10 btc reward for the first winner and much for the other 30 participant. Unfortunately only 8 participated and i thought we can win big, that why i advertised my video much and bring some organic crypto related Viewers but the reward was only .03BTC seriously lol  It doesnt matter much about money but Much about My Time that I gave. lol seriously




Its fine that you didnt choose me a winner in 33 members, but please dont give this type of explanation i hate this 

[sukamasoto]

Its fine that you didnt choose me a winner in 33 members, but please dont give this type of explanation i hate this 

I know there are something fishy about the contest so I'm decide to not got with the contest
I can say that they are very unprofessional gambling site I've ever met

[FortuneJack]

Greetings dear users,

Considering the lively interest that our recent video contest has caused among players, our company finds it essential to once again get back to all the terms of said contest by going into depth to ensure players that no scheming or manipulation was involved from FJ.
    
No information was withheld from the public and our casino has been open about the whole deal from the beginning. The fact that the results of our communication with certain players caused negative feedback is another matter.

In regards to the accusations of FortuneJack preventing certain members from discussing the contest we would like to inform you that the only user who's posts were removed from multiple topics is known to have a history of spamming important threads with aggressive accusations thus preventing other players from discussing important issues and simply enjoying themselves in our friendly community.     
    
Please note that from the available 10 participants only one has managed to qualify by satisfying all the requirements and was rewarded accordingly. Said participant has received prize of appreciation by becoming Jack's Favorite.
   
Despite the fact that only one player has met the criteria stated in the terms of agreement of the video contest, our company decided to thank other legit participants for their effort with modest encouraging rewards. This was executed outside of the terms of video contest solely by company's initiative.
     
Prior to the contest all the participants have been WARNED to avoid using fake views and other illegitimate ways of achieving the goal of competition. As stated in the rules the casino withholds the right to disqualify any video suspected in illegitimate actions. Due to known cases of views being illegitimately obtained and other inappropriate behavior from certain participants - producers of respective content have been disqualified as per rules and regulations of the Video Contest.       
   
All the video content that has been disqualified was removed from FJ's official YouTube channel and other sources, is no longer to be considered the property of FJ and doesn't violate any rules of paid online advertising.
   
We hope that this will help members of our community to understand the situation better and prevent from the negative outbursts and false accusations. 
   
BTW, FJ offers New long awaited feature - Instant deposit bonuses.

• A “welcome” bonus up to 1 BTC is now available to all players on their first minimum 0.777 deposit. Fortunejack credits the bonus to the player’s bonus balance.
• Players are also entitled to a 100% welcome bonus up to 0.5 BTC on their first deposit. A minimum 0.001 BTC is required for this bonus. Fortunejack awards the welcome bonus to the bonus amount balance.
• Players can also receive a monthly 100% deposit bonus up to 1 BTC with their first deposit.

Regards,
FortuneJack Team

[Mitchell]

Prior to the contest all the participants have been WARNED to avoid using fake views and other illegitimate ways of achieving the goal of competition. As stated in the rules the casino withholds the right to disqualify any video suspected in illegitimate actions. Due to known cases of views being illegitimately obtained and other inappropriate behavior from certain participants - producers of respective content have been disqualified as per rules and regulations of the Video Contest.        

Could you please provide proof of this claim? Also, I'm still waiting on a solid answer/reply to these two posts (which highlight my main issue):

So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? That is fine if they indeed didn't generate the views required, but shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted by FJ itself? If FJ indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC (if they paid at all) then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

Is this the email you are referring to?



This email only explains why you were unable to award the 1st 2nd or 3rd prize.  

However, there is clearly no minimum number of views required for 4th-30th place.

There is also no mention that 4th - 30th place prizes would not be given unless 3 players were able to satisfy the requirements for 1st - 3rd place.  This is what you said:

Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.

I'm sure you understand that with such high requirements, which nobody was able to even come close to meeting, if you refuse to award prizes for 4th place on it will seem as if you never intended to pay any of the advertised prizes.

[TwitchySeal]

Prior to the contest all the participants have been WARNED to avoid using fake views and other illegitimate ways of achieving the goal of competition. As stated in the rules the casino withholds the right to disqualify any video suspected in illegitimate actions. Due to known cases of views being illegitimately obtained and other inappropriate behavior from certain participants - producers of respective content have been disqualified as per rules and regulations of the Video Contest. 

 

You seem to be implying most of the users had illegitamite views, which seems pretty absurd considering most of them barely had any.

I don't recall the exact view counts, but none of the videos came close to the required views for top few spots.  ( I believe most had under 50 views ) 

Right now there are 15 videos on the FortuneJack Youtube Page, most of them 5+ months old.  The three most popular have 430, 275 and 200 views.  The rest have between 20 and 80.

You told your users back in december that you thought the videos already submitted were "creative and well made"

You were hoping for a competition on who could advertise your site for you to the most people.

If you would of had a "who can advertise my site the best" contest, you'd be right.

Instead, you had a "who can make the best video" contest with only the top few prizes reserved for those that get thousands of views.  The people who are good at advertising were probably too busy getting paid to advertise to enter a "video contest"


You offer online poker but refuse to explain what is and is not allowed.  I assure you, your honest players are being cheated every day - and it's your fault.

You should be putting just as much effort into making sure the players are cheating you in your own casino as you are making sure they aren't cheating other players in your poker room.

Most likely you have nobody on your staff with experience in online poker.  You can't just push a button and let it go like other casino games.

   
BTW, FJ offers New long awaited feature - Instant deposit bonuses.

• A “welcome” bonus up to 1 BTC is now available to all players on their first minimum 0.777 deposit. Fortunejack credits the bonus to the player’s bonus balance.
• Players are also entitled to a 100% welcome bonus up to 0.5 BTC on their first deposit. A minimum 0.001 BTC is required for this bonus. Fortunejack awards the welcome bonus to the bonus amount balance.
• Players can also receive a monthly 100% deposit bonus up to 1 BTC with their first deposit.

Regards,
FortuneJack Team

I think this bonus, much like your last, is very misleading.

According to your terms, no play is counted towards playthrough of the bonus untill the player has lost their entire initial deposit.  This makes your promotion a 130% lossback, not an instant deposit bonus.

A player could deposit 777mbtc, receive your 1000 mbtc bonus, and wager hundreds of bitcoin before ever losing their initial 777 mbtc. 

After all that, they will be surprised to learn none of the wager went to clearing any of their bonus at all.

[alkaz]

Most likely you have nobody on your staff with experience in online poker. 

Andreas is the support's name and he is clueless about poker. he told me once via live chat.
but, it seems he is the only one in charge.. jeez

[tommorisonwebdesign]

I've quickly glanced through the posts defending fJ  seems to also be FJ signature campaigns. What is mentioned does seem scammy. offering a prize than revealing no winner is in fact cheating. There should be no excuses to not pay the full price amount.

[FortuneJack]

Fortune Jacks has maintained a reputation by appearing to be available on this forum to answer any questions and defend themselves against any accusations the way an honest business would.

In reality, they are using Bitcointalk to maintain a good reputation while consistently behaving scummy.

When a player comes to their thread with an issue , they are often bullied into silence by other users who are clearly being motivated to protect FJs reputation at all cost.  If that doesn't work, FJ simply deletes the post and the thread continues to be flooded with praise from signature campaign members working on meeting their monthly quota.

I will be bringing more attention to these practices in another post (FJ is not the only site abusing bitcointalk) as I see it as a much bigger problem than the two separate issues below.



ISSUE #1 - The Youtube Video Contest

From December - April, FJ ran a contest with over 100 BTC in prizes to the winners who would be announced on April 1. This contest was heavily advertised. April first came and went, no winners were announced, it seems they ended up awarding a total of 0.28 BTC to the 8 entries and refuse to respond to any questions.

The rules for the contest:

Partakers must keep in mind that their video must use Fortunjack tagline "why look for fortune elsewhere?". Their entries must run 3-15 min and must have a video and audio quality not lower than 480p. Winners will be determined based on the overall views their videos have garnered all throughout the campaign, which will be from Jan 15 to Feb 29,2016.

In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.

So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!!

Note: Only the top 3 prizes have a minimum # of views required.  Also, they ended up extending the deadline to April 1.

The prizes:


One could interpret the prize chart as 4-10 receiving 3 BTC or 4-10 sharing 3BTC however FJ clarifies that 4-10 would receive 3 BTC each.

A grand total of 10 BTC will be given to the contest’s first placer, which will be followed by a Bitcoin prize worth 7 BTC and 4 BTC for the second and third place winners. Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.

On another note, the Jack’s Favorite award will be given to the entry that has been personally handpicked by the moderators of this Bitcoin casino. Of course, the titleholder for this reward will receive special and exclusive perks courtesy of FortuneJack.

The FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest which is the latest promotion on deck the Bitcoin casino, but it is unlike the typical Christmas and holiday bonuses and promotions that require playing Bitcoin slots and other games.  This FortuneJack exclusive opens a refreshing and interesting portal where participants can earn lucrative amounts of BTCs out of their uniqueness and creativity.

Participants of the  FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest can win up to 10BTC when they place first in this one-of-a-kind contest in BTC gambling. The mission is to show why FortuneJack is the better casino.

Partakers must keep in mind that their video must use Fortunjack tagline "why look for fortune elsewhere?". Their entries must run 3-15 min and must have a video and audio quality not lower than 480p. Winners will be determined based on the overall views their videos have garnered all throughout the campaign, which will be from Jan 15 to Feb 29,2016.

In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.

So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!!

On April 1st, no winners were announced.  Nothing was announced.  Someone who entered the contest shared the email the received:

I believe the reward was the same for all entries, 0.03BTC.

Since April 1st, several users have requested FJ explain what happened, they have ignored all of it, responding only posts like this one: [LINK]

ISSUE #2 - Poker at Fortune Jack


FortuneJack opened a poker room a couple months ago, which is what caught my attention.

They run micro stakes and freeroll tournaments mostly.

They also do not manually approve withdraws or enforce any traditional rules to prevent players from multi-accounting.  They have created a situation where a player can easily play the same tournament from many accounts, and instantly withdraw any funds should they win.

On March 9th I first asked them if they intended to take any steps to prevent honest players from being cheated.  In case they weren't, I suggested they simply inform all the players that they were not preventing players from using multiple accounts.  By not saying anything, they were making any honest player a victim.

FJ responded to a few other posts, but not mine, so I asked again on March 10th. [LINK] After being ignored for a week I asked again [LINK] This time I got a reply:

Dear user,

Thank you for the interest in the above mentioned clauses. We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer. You do not have to reiterate it with that frequency as the reminder. Your opinion matters, thank you for helping us improve your future visits! Have a great day.

Since this response, nearly a month ago, they have failed to respond and begun to simply delete posts questioning them.  In the same period, however, they have renewed their signature campaign and responded to thank anyone who paid them a compliment.  

Issue No. 1

1. We never advertised 100 BTC in prizes, as there was only 27 BTC prize fund.
2. We extended the deadline of video contest till April 1 due to player’s request, as more players wanted to submit videos.
3. “In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.“ - It was clearly noted, that Video authors had to put some effort in promoting videos and the terms were determined beforehand, authors were aware of how many views they had to accumulate.
4. While none of the video authors put enough effort to promote their uploaded videos, we still decided to be generous enough and credited 0.03 BTC to all contest participants account.
5. We responded to every email received, and explained the situation.

Issue No. 2
1. When the Poker was launched at Fortunejack and it was in Beta testing mode, there were many issues and we handled every case with maximum attention. We created hourly freerolls in order to catch all bugs and glitches, and receive as many feedbacks as possible.
2. Players never had ability to register on tournaments with the same IP, but it is impossible to monitor Proxy or VPN connections. Most of the Poker rooms experience this problem and it is very hard to monitor multi-accounting. Although, we have always taken mandatory steps to prevent fraud cases.
3. We never deleted posts written on our thread, unless it was a scum or false accusation written in Bold and Red format.

We do not believe these 2 issues are enough arguments to attach negative trust to our Profile, and kindly ask person responsible for this to detach it. After all, "Hasn't paid out the promised rewards for one of their competitions, details in the reference." headline sounds a bit gross because author of this accusation was not even close to meeting Terms determined in T&C. What are we getting negative trust for?

[pawel7777]

2. We extended the deadline of video contest till April 1 due to player’s request, as more players wanted to submit videos.

Have you reserved the right to extend the deadline in contest Terms and Conditions? If not, that's not very fair to those who submitted within the initial deadline, as they were at risk of being out-competed.
It's not really an issue as there were less entries than paid places and no one met requirements for 1-3 place, but still not very clean practice.

3. “In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.“ - It was clearly noted, that Video authors had to put some effort in promoting videos and the terms were determined beforehand, authors were aware of how many views they had to accumulate.
4. While none of the video authors put enough effort to promote their uploaded videos, we still decided to be generous enough and credited 0.03 BTC to all contest participants account.
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I think you're missing the core point here. There were no minimum views requirements for places 4-30. And according to your own prize schedule, they each should've received 3BTC each. So on what grounds have you denied those payments?



Even if 3 BTC each was a mistake and you meant 3 BTC to be divided, you should have apologised for making a mistake and pay participants accordingly.

Based on the table, each should receive at least:

4-10: 3 btc total: ~0.43 each
11-30: 3 btc total: 0.15 each

That's a very minimum. Since (assumed) mistake in prize schedule was on your part, you still can't expect everyone to be 100% happy about that.

That's just my opinion.

[TwitchySeal]

Issue No. 1

1. We never advertised 100 BTC in prizes, as there was only 27 BTC prize fund.

Directly from your press release:

There are 30 prizes up for grabs in one of the most generous competitions ever seen in the world of Bitcoin. A grand total of 10 BTC will be given to the contest winner, which will be followed by Bitcoin prizes worth 7 BTC and 4 BTC for the second and third place winners. Entrants placing from 4th to 30th will receive a total of 3 BTC each.

10 for winner, 7 for 2nd, 4 for 3rd, next 27 places get 3 each

10BTC+7BTC+4BTC+(3BTC x 27) = 102BTC

2. We extended the deadline of video contest till April 1 due to player’s request, as more players wanted to submit videos.

Nobody is making an issue about this.

3. “In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.“ - It was clearly noted, that Video authors had to put some effort in promoting videos and the terms were determined beforehand, authors were aware of how many views they had to accumulate.

Yeah, we read the rules.  Nobody qualified for the top three prizes.  I don't think you technically owe anyone the top 3 prizes.That's not an excuse to get out of paying the spots that had no minimum view requirement.  There's no need to continue pointing out that nobody met the requirements for the top 3 prizes.    

4. While none of the video authors put enough effort to promote their uploaded videos, we still decided to be generous enough and credited 0.03 BTC to all contest participants account.[/color]
Contestants weren't required to put any effort into promoting their videos (your site) since there was only a minimum view count for the top three spots.  They are technically entitled to 100 times the amount you paid them.  That's not generous, it's scummy.

5. We responded to every email received, and explained the situation.

I doubt it.

Issue No. 2
1. When the Poker was launched at Fortunejack and it was in Beta testing mode, there were many issues and we handled every case with maximum attention. We created hourly freerolls in order to catch all bugs and glitches, and receive as many feedbacks as possible.

2. Players never had ability to register on tournaments with the same IP, but it is impossible to monitor Proxy or VPN connections. Most of the Poker rooms experience this problem and it is very hard to monitor multi-accounting. Although, we have always taken mandatory steps to prevent fraud cases.

You have refused to clarify the rules of your poker room for over 3 months now.  

How can you be preventing fraud if you never defined it in the first place!

3. We never deleted posts written on our thread, unless it was a scum or false accusation written in Bold and Red format.

I can easily prove you are lying about this.

Here are two examples of the posts you deleted from your thread.  
I have plenty more if you like.

What are we getting negative trust for?

Hope this post helped you understand the answer to this question.

[FortuneJack]

Issue No. 1

1. We never advertised 100 BTC in prizes, as there was only 27 BTC prize fund.

Directly from your press release:

There are 30 prizes up for grabs in one of the most generous competitions ever seen in the world of Bitcoin. A grand total of 10 BTC will be given to the contest winner, which will be followed by Bitcoin prizes worth 7 BTC and 4 BTC for the second and third place winners. Entrants placing from 4th to 30th will receive a total of 3 BTC each.

10 for winner, 7 for 2nd, 4 for 3rd, next 27 places get 3 each

10BTC+7BTC+4BTC+(3BTC x 27) = 102BTC

2. We extended the deadline of video contest till April 1 due to player’s request, as more players wanted to submit videos.

Nobody is making an issue about this.

3. “In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.“ - It was clearly noted, that Video authors had to put some effort in promoting videos and the terms were determined beforehand, authors were aware of how many views they had to accumulate.

Yeah, we read the rules.  Nobody qualified for the top three prizes.  I don't think you technically owe anyone the top 3 prizes.That's not an excuse to get out of paying the spots that had no minimum view requirement.  There's no need to continue pointing out that nobody met the requirements for the top 3 prizes.    

4. While none of the video authors put enough effort to promote their uploaded videos, we still decided to be generous enough and credited 0.03 BTC to all contest participants account.[/color]
Contestants weren't required to put any effort into promoting their videos (your site) since there was only a minimum view count for the top three spots.  They are technically entitled to 100 times the amount you paid them.  That's not generous, it's scummy.

5. We responded to every email received, and explained the situation.

I doubt it.

Issue No. 2
1. When the Poker was launched at Fortunejack and it was in Beta testing mode, there were many issues and we handled every case with maximum attention. We created hourly freerolls in order to catch all bugs and glitches, and receive as many feedbacks as possible.

2. Players never had ability to register on tournaments with the same IP, but it is impossible to monitor Proxy or VPN connections. Most of the Poker rooms experience this problem and it is very hard to monitor multi-accounting. Although, we have always taken mandatory steps to prevent fraud cases.

You have refused to clarify the rules of your poker room for over 3 months now.  

How can you be preventing fraud if you never defined it in the first place!

3. We never deleted posts written on our thread, unless it was a scum or false accusation written in Bold and Red format.

I can easily prove you are lying about this.

Here are two examples of the posts you deleted from your thread.  
I have plenty more if you like.

What are we getting negative trust for?

Hope this post helped you understand the answer to this question.

10 for winner, 7 for 2nd, 4 for 3rd, next 27 places get 3 each

10BTC+7BTC+4BTC+(3BTC x 27) = 102BTC

This is not a true story! provide a source of Press Release where you read that next 27 places get 3 BTC each. Otherwise, your argument will be void.

We extended the deadline of video contest till April 1 due to player’s request, as more players wanted to submit videos.

Nobody is making an issue about this.

You raised an issue writing about this, so you made a point.

“In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.“ - It was clearly noted, that Video authors had to put some effort in promoting videos and the terms were determined beforehand, authors were aware of how many views they had to accumulate.

Yeah, we read the rules.  Nobody qualified for the top three prizes.  I don't think you technically owe anyone the top 3 prizes.That's not an excuse to get out of paying the spots that had no minimum view requirement.  There's no need to continue pointing out that nobody met the requirements for the top 3 prizes.  

We negotiated with all contestants that minimum views accumulated was not enough to qualify for the prize fund, and none of them raised negative trust, simply recording a video and posting it nowhere will not bring you 4 BTC for the 4th place, and 0.11 BTC for the rest), we distributed the prize fund as we counted right, and negotiated with contestants. The largest amount of views video accumulated was 300 views and was payed 0.2 BTC for it, while we were expecting at least 3000+ views, rest of the contestants were payed 0.03 BTC who accumulated 100 or less views. T&C also stated that rules could be changed and players could be eliminated during the contest. The fact that some of the contestants were unsatisfied with the contest outcome, does not deserve negative trust for FJ Profile. And all of them understand this, but you. We may discuss this on the thread, or could create another thread for discussion, but raising a negative trust reference by a usual spammer who never uploaded any videos for the contest, is a bit gross

We responded to every email received, and explained the situation.

I doubt it.

Tha fact that you doubt it, means absolutely nothing, and won't bring us negative trust.

Here are two examples of the posts you deleted from your thread.  
I have plenty more if you like.[/color]

You repeated the same posts over and over again, we counted it as scam, that is exactly why we deleted it. We've got a self moderated thread, rules were already posted above for why we delete posts.

Our negative relationship started with you demanding to be payed for signature campaign posts, when you were not even enrolled in it. After attaching our signature to your profile and posting on the forum, you demanded to be payed overrunning the usual procedure every community member has to pass. Since then, you spam and scam the thread.


You have not uploaded any videos for the contest, why are you raising a negative trust issue while rest of the contestants do not?