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May 16, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
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10 for winner, 7 for 2nd, 4 for 3rd, next 27 places get 3 each

10BTC+7BTC+4BTC+(3BTC x 27) = 102BTC

This is not a true story! provide a source of Press Release where you read that next 27 places get 3 BTC each. Otherwise, your argument will be void.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/





We negotiated with all contestants that minimum views accumulated was not enough to qualify for the prize fund, and none of them raised negative trust, simply recording a video and posting it nowhere will not bring you 4 BTC for the 4th place, and 0.11 BTC for the rest), we distributed the prize fund as we counted right, and negotiated with contestants. The largest amount of views video accumulated was 300 views and was payed 0.2 BTC for it, while we were expecting at least 3000+ views, rest of the contestants were payed 0.03 BTC who accumulated 100 or less views. T&C also stated that rules could be changed and players could be eliminated during the contest. The fact that some of the contestants were unsatisfied with the contest outcome, does not deserve negative trust for FJ Profile. And all of them understand this, but you. We may discuss this on the thread, or could create another thread for discussion, but raising a negative trust reference by a usual spammer who never uploaded any videos for the contest, is a bit gross

No, you didn't negotiate. 

You decided not to pay any of the prizes because they didn't follow a rule that didn't exist. 

You gave each participant lest than $15 worth of bitcoin in a contest you promoted as "one of the most generous competitions ever seen in the world of bitcoin"

Players started complaining on April 1.

Here are some examples of the posts you ignored, all directly from your thread:


Just curious when is the winner of fortunejack video contest announced?
As stated in the contest page 1 April should be the day where the winner announced right?
But the things I dont like, I wasnt expecting that much low reward for this video i think, i was looking something big for sure, because the that large contest and 10 btc reward for the first winner and much for the other 30 participant. Unfortunately only 8 participated and i thought we can win big, that why i advertised my video much and bring some organic crypto related Viewers but the reward was only .03BTC seriously lol  Grin It doesnt matter much about money but Much about My Time that I gave. lol seriously

Its fine that you didnt choose me a winner in 33 members, but please dont give this type of explanation i hate this  Cool
good job, very cheap video creation they bought almost 10 videos with only 0.28 btc?
very generous site which have planned before to give 10 btc in prize lol.
Was the minimum views mentioned for places other than top 3?

I looked over it quickly, they are off the hook for the top 3 prizes (although pretty scummy way of promoting), but if they didn't list minimum for the other 27 spots.

Also their promotional material says "The online poker room is giving away more than 100BTC in this contest and a total of 30 prizes. The least that players can win is 3BTC and the maximum they can win is 10BTC."

The "well-deserved surprise prize" was .03 BTC really?

I could be missing something here.  But if I'm not, this contest should do more damage to their business than good.
As I remember the minimum views for the top 3 is :

1st : 15.000 views
2nd: 10.000 views
3rd : 7.000 views

If there was no one get the minimum views, of course they dont need to pay such big amount but the "well-deserved surprise prize" is not worth for the participants. From the 100BTC prizes planned, they only spent less than 0.3btc at the end of the contest.  Grin Grin Grin
Just a reminder to explain situation about Video Contest
Sites need to be held accountable for their actions, so I'm going to open scam accusation thread if FJ doesn't address video contest and poker room policies soon (when I get around to it).  And no, "We are working on the situation" doesn't count anymore.  
If someone else wants to make thread, please feel free.
Also if anyone has any info not already posted on video contest please share.  I only know whats been said recently.
I was dissapointed too and pretty shocked rewarded 0.03 btc only for 3 months work advertising the video link.
I'm so excited when see the total prize around 30btc, and as stated in the rules

"Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each"

So is that means fj dishonor us by give 0.03 only each?  Idk Sad

No response to these posts, you didn't post in the thread for over a week actually. Then you started responding only to completely unrelated posts like this one: (MonsterV is sig campaign member obviously)

FortuneJack not want to add sports betting ?
I think Fortunejack will have a new fans or new player if adding sports betting. Because so far you've dominated the game in the market Bitcoin Casino so why not think about sports betting !

Dear user,

Thank you for you valuable opinion. We are actively involved in adding the sport betting module to our site. In fact, we are working on various projects that will be added to our site so that your gaming experience with FJ will keep you coming back to us over and over again.

We will let you know when the project will be ready to go so that you can start playing.

Have a great day.



You repeated the same posts over and over again, we counted it as scam, that is exactly why we deleted it. We've got a self moderated thread, rules were already posted above for why we delete posts.
If you would of responded the first time, I wouldn't of had to keep asking.  Duh.


Our negative relationship started with you demanding to be payed for signature campaign posts, when you were not even enrolled in it. After attaching our signature to your profile and posting on the forum, you demanded to be payed overrunning the usual procedure every community member has to pass. Since then, you spam and scam the thread.

LoL. (literally, lol)  Another blatant lie.

I've never had any site in my signature ever.  Anyone who knows anything about me will know what a ridiculous accusation that is. 

They will also know that you are a liar.

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You are operating a Bitcoin Casino, two terms often used interchangeably, where your only viable model can consist of trust/confidence by your clients. While this may not be indicative of your casino operations, this does seem very much like a bait and switch scenario - regardless of the YouTube view count you had users showing very good faith by expending time, resources, and even money to fulfill your request with the best of intentions.  What they got was nothing more than an insult, you inflated your prize pool to bait people into driving traffic to your site, and you can't even dig into your pockets to properly deliver.  No one is holding you to the top prizes, but the .3 uniform payout is nothing more than a slap in the face.  You picked to go into the casino business, we've seen the "superuser" scandals at UltimateBet last decade and multi-accounts/collusion is always a concern. Furthermore, you chose a highly speculative currency that your users will have little recourse if they wake up one day and they have vanished from your site.  Then you go ahead with this "promotion" only to under-deliver and instead dole out a nice slap in the face to all those who took the time to help you promote _YOUR_ casino.  I am not one of those people, but I see the writing on the wall, and I won't be visiting your site, that's for sure.  Sorry to all those who put in ample time on this endeavor.
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May 17, 2016, 10:51:05 PM
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I would like to officially apologize on behalf of Bitcoin PR Buzz
for the error in the press release titled ”Win up to 10 Free BTC
in FortuneJack’s YouTube Video Contest" that we published on
February 3, 2016. We made a serious factual error in the original text
stating that FortuneJack would award entrants with 3 BTC ‘each’.

We have changed the original post to the correct sentence
"Entrants placing from 4th to 30th will receive a total of 3 BTC".
Bitcoin PR Buzz takes full responsibility for the error and we would like
to apologize to everyone that may feel deceived as a result
of our mistake.

Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz
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May 17, 2016, 11:08:50 PM
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I would like to officially apologize on behalf of Bitcoin PR Buzz
for the error in the press release titled ”Win up to 10 Free BTC
in FortuneJack’s YouTube Video Contest" that we published on
February 3, 2016. We made a serious factual error in the original text
stating that FortuneJack would award entrants with 3 BTC ‘each’.

We have changed the original post to the correct sentence
"Entrants placing from 4th to 30th will receive a total of 3 BTC".
Bitcoin PR Buzz takes full responsibility for the error and we would like
to apologize to everyone that may feel deceived as a result
of our mistake.

Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz


Something smells fishy here. Are you just taking Fortune Jacks word that they told you to write something different on your site?

What about this one?

http://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

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Entrants positioning from 4th to 30th will certainly receive a total amount of 3 BTC each.

Are you Tako?


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May 17, 2016, 11:50:09 PM
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Entrants positioning from 4th to 30th will certainly receive a total amount of 3 BTC each.

I can see how this is so confusing. Oh wait, no I can't. It clearly states 3BTC each. I guess the only thing left to do is admit you didn't mean to put the 'each' then as a show of good faith pay out 3BTC to everyone who participated.

Sound good?
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May 18, 2016, 12:07:33 AM
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Our press releases are sent out to hundreds of news sites, this press release
(please see the link below) is the source of the articles that you have read, that
because of our mistake in the original post contains the same factual error.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

I apologize again to both you and FortuneJack for this serous and unfortunate typo.


Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz
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May 18, 2016, 12:44:14 AM
Last edit: May 18, 2016, 02:05:59 AM by ibminer
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I can't comment on the casino activities mentioned here (you shouldn't really trust any casino, especially an online one) and I'm not sure about the 3rd party sites but the original /video guidelines on fortunejack.com seems to state it would be split up and there would be minimum views required.

EDIT: There does still seem to be a discrepency on how many views were actually received, and it was a tricky/misleading advertisement for the competition, but based on the "Important" section of the contest, I wouldn't have entered it because it leaves too much room for the contest creator to deem views as fake and eliminate contestants on their own doubts of view authenticity.

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Do you have a video recording skills? Do you gamble at FortuneJack? If the answer is YES, then you should participate in FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest.

Short Description

Record a home video, register & upload on fortunejack.com contest page until the 15th of January, pass through the validation procedures, accumulate the most number of views on YouTube and become a winner.

Detailed Description

Must use the slogan: Why look for fortune elsewhere?
Video must be from 3 to 15 minutes in length.
Should include both high quality video and audio - Minimum Quality 480p.
Video should specify the reasons why FortuneJack is better than other casinos. (Must mention our promotions, including affiliate program, Crypto currency exchange and Bitcoin purchase systems.)
Must discuss at least 3 games from the list: Dice, Keno, Blackjack, Binary Trader, Fortune wheel, Fortune Slots and Video Poker.

Please fill all the fields in registration form and keep in mind that your video meets all the requirements written below.

Pass through the validation procedures

Video must be in English.
Avoid profane language, violence, sex or personal attacks on people or organizations.
Avoid violating copyright laws or using brand names or logos other than Fortune Jack's in your video.
Video must be original content.

Deadline:
Registration procedures start on the 1st of December and end on the 15th of February.
Confirmed Videos will be uploaded on YouTube until the 15th of February.
Campaign will end on the 29th of March 2016.
Winner will be announced on the 1st of April.
All participants will be emailed the link to the video uploaded on Youtube until the 16th of January.

Jack's Favourite

Jack will favour the most creative video and besides the views accumulated, will reward the video presenter with fabulous prizes.
* 7 participants who finish at IV place, will receive the prize pool of 3 BTC equally distributed among them.
* 20 participants who finish at V place, will receive the prize pool of 3 BTC equally distributed among them.

Important:

All the videos made during this contest will be the property of FortuneJack casino.
All the videos that will have fake views will be automatically eliminated from the contest.
Contestants may be asked to provide sources, where the video was promoted. Sources provided by contestant must be crypto and gambling oriented.
We reserves right to eliminate contestant based on our doubts about view authenticity
Pay attention, to become a winner, you must accumulate minimum certain amount of views written below:
1st Place (Minimum of 15,000 views required)
2nd Place (Minimum of 10,000 views required)
3rd Place (Minimum of 7,000 views required)




For more information about this contest, contact our support team at support@fortunejack.com


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May 18, 2016, 12:45:24 AM
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We negotiated with all contestants that minimum views accumulated was not enough to qualify for the prize fund, and none of them raised negative trust, simply recording a video and posting it nowhere will not bring you 4 BTC for the 4th place, and 0.11 BTC for the rest), we distributed the prize fund as we counted right, and negotiated with contestants. The largest amount of views video accumulated was 300 views and was payed 0.2 BTC for it, while we were expecting at least 3000+ views, rest of the contestants were payed 0.03 BTC who accumulated 100 or less views. T&C also stated that rules could be changed and players could be eliminated during the contest. The fact that some of the contestants were unsatisfied with the contest outcome, does not deserve negative trust for FJ Profile. And all of them understand this, but you. We may discuss this on the thread, or could create another thread for discussion, but raising a negative trust reference by a usual spammer who never uploaded any videos for the contest, is a bit gross

i never negotiate anything with fortunejack about video contest prize Sad hmmmm they just keep telling me my submission are not qualified , not negotiating.
i remember correctly my video here was have over 300 views and still receive dishonor prize of 0.03 Sad very dissapointing statement fj. please tell the truth.

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May 18, 2016, 12:45:43 AM
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Our press releases are sent out to hundreds of news sites, this press release
(please see the link below) is the source of the articles that you have read, that
because of our mistake in the original post contains the same factual error.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

I apologize again to both you and FortuneJack for this serous and unfortunate typo.


Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz

Johanna, what is your relationship to Fortune Jack and why are you trying to cover up for them.

My next post will prove that you are not being honest about the Press Release on Feb 3rd. 

Please tell us the truth, including what Fortune Jack just told you to tell us.



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Timeline:

December 9th:

FJ Creates Thread:

" FortuneJack Launches YouTube Video Contest - earn up to 10 BTC "

OP Includes:
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A grand total of 10 BTC will be given to the contest’s first placer, which will be followed by a Bitcoin prize worth 7 BTC and 4 BTC for the second and third place winners. Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DSF1kWi36s0J:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D1282140.0+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

https://gyazo.com/8422ff659ae4b8c58ba5724836b07a3d




February 3:

"BitcoinPRBuzz" shares press release with several media outlets on FJ Video Contest including fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.

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Fast forward 3 Months
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Contest Ended April 1 and Fortune Jack gives out .030 prizes in place of the 3 BTC advertised.
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April 12 Scam Accusation Thread is made.  FJ fails at defending themselves and is caught in multiple obvious lies.
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May 17th


FortuneJack edits the post they made last december announcing the video competition.
fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.  <----Deleted
Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC. <---Added




Shortly after editing out the "receive a total of 3 BTC each." from December post, band new account "Johanna_Bitcoin_PR" appears to tell some lies and take all the  blame hereself, leaving FortuneJack innocent.

Our press releases are sent out to hundreds of news sites, this press release
(please see the link below) is the source of the articles that you have read, that
because of our mistake in the original post contains the same factual error.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

I apologize again to both you and FortuneJack for this serous and unfortunate typo.


Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz


Something smells fishy here. Are you just taking Fortune Jacks word that they told you to write something different on your site?

What about this one?

http://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

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Entrants positioning from 4th to 30th will certainly receive a total amount of 3 BTC each.

Are you Tako?
Our press releases are sent out to hundreds of news sites, this press release
(please see the link below) is the source of the articles that you have read, that
because of our mistake in the original post contains the same factual error.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

I apologize again to both you and FortuneJack for this serous and unfortunate typo.


Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz


Cliffnots:

Dec - Started contest
Jan -Advertise as most generous contest of all time.
April - Contest Ends, tell everyone the lose but get .030 bc of generosity only. 
May - Edit rules post made in Dec.  Invite COO of BitcoinPRBuzz to tell everyone it was her fault for changing the rules  that we posted in Feb. 

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May 18, 2016, 10:34:05 AM
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Press release was written by Bitcoin PR Buzz based on the rules we sent them and they replied to the accusation that they made a mistake. No one could expect Fortunejack getting scam accusation and negative trust for one typo mistake. We are 100% sure that all of the contestants were aware of the fact that 3 BTC would be in split prizes, but accusation author TwitchySeal.

Here's the comment written by one of the contestants in this thread: poplolnman

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but i disappointed on fj email replies say that None of the participants matched the requirements  for the video Sad and participant would recieve well-deserved reward?, can't see the rules like this before. all i can see are 4th-10th would receive 3btc in split prize.

The post published on December 9th, on February 3rd, and edit of May 17th means that Press release was simply copy pasted into the forum inattentively as no changes were made to the text, and the fact that Bitcoin PR Buzz admires the ownership of the article, clears the charges partially against us. 

Our Marketing department was inattentive while copy pasting the text into the forum and did not properly proofread (word by word) the article written by Bitcoin PR Buzz, this is a fact.



Otherwise, why would be pay out 4-10 3 BTC each, and 11 - 30 places 3 BTC each as well? Could we not be more creative and differentiate 26 places?

As an example, attaching a screenshot from our Poker Tournament Interface, where you can see similar chart to ours (video contests'), for Prize fund distribution, where the amount of 303.6 mBTC is split between 10 - 12 places.



Even though the contest was counted void, as a good gesture to calm things down and remove negative trusts from the profile, we will still pay out 3 BTC split into 11 places. The accusation is totally not gambling oriented, is raised by an 'angry' community member who has never even been enrolled in the contest, has no foolproof argument to validate the reference, and must not be attached to the Fortunejack profile

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Our Marketing department was inattentive while copy pasting the text into the forum and did not properly proofread (word by word) the article written by Bitcoin PR Buzz, this is a fact.


Exactly.  Your marketing department, your fault.
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May 18, 2016, 01:22:55 PM
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You don't have to be scammed to make a scam accusation. If you do agree it is 3 BTC split, then why pay up only 0.03 to each contestant? The 3 BTC split is still more than 10 times your paid price. Also, it was your fault for making the mistake, as you said in your post. People here aren't stupid. Pay up the advertised prizes, or the neg will probably stay. Also, the contest lasted for at least 2 months. Surely you would have realized in that time?

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You don't have to be scammed to make a scam accusation. If you do agree it is 3 BTC split, then why pay up only 0.03 to each contestant? The 3 BTC split is still more than 10 times your paid price. Also, it was your fault for making the mistake, as you said in your post. People here aren't stupid. Pay up the advertised prizes, or the neg will probably stay. Also, the contest lasted for at least 2 months. Surely you would have realized in that time?

Promotion was counted void, we did not announce winners and all of the contestants accumulated less views then expected, that is why we payed out 0.03 BTC for the trouble.

As noted above, we will pay out 3 BTC split prize to all of the contestants, we have proved that it was a technical mistake, besides that, all of the contestants acknowledged the fact that in case Promotion ended successfully and winners were announced, 4-10, 11-30 places would receive a split prize of 3 BTC not 3 BTC 'each'.
We have provided the proof that contestants were aware of this, check the post above. There can be no discussion about paying 3 BTC each contestant just for one 'typo' mistake, anyone with healthy mindset will understand this.

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May 18, 2016, 02:42:50 PM
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Promotion was counted void, we did not announce winners and all of the contestants accumulated less views then expected, that is why we payed out 0.03 BTC for the trouble.
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You can't really declare the contest 'void' just because small number of views, since you haven't bother to set any limits for places other than 1-3.

Anyhow, glad to see you agreed to pay that 3 BTC split prize, hopefully that would settle the issue.

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May 18, 2016, 11:49:16 PM
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We already know you are scum for not paying out 3btc  split or 3btc each.  All you are doing now is showing you are lying scum.

Yesterday you edited the official announcement made by FortuneJack in December thinking nobody would notice the change, then tried to make it seem like someone else made a typo in February.  You got caught.

If it was a mistake, you would of fixed it sooner.  You posted it in December and promoted the hell out of it.  It was sent to tons of bitcoin news sites in Feb.   It's quoted in the OP of this thread, which was started over a month ago!  People have been complaining about it since April 1.  

You want us tobelieve you didn't notice it till yesterday?  bullshit.



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May 19, 2016, 03:40:51 AM
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@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.

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May 19, 2016, 03:44:48 AM
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@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.
Yeah, No. How would you feel if you were promised a 3 bitcoin reward, and only got 0.05 btc? Put yourself in the contest participants shoes and think about it.
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May 19, 2016, 04:50:42 AM
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@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.
Yeah, No. How would you feel if you were promised a 3 bitcoin reward, and only got 0.05 btc? Put yourself in the contest participants shoes and think about it.
it's obvious they did not intend to pay 3BTC to each, i was about to enter the contest but somehow forgotten about it, i made video for crypto-games and got 0.05BTC that's why i propose this as solution.

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May 19, 2016, 05:03:40 AM
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@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.
Yeah, No. How would you feel if you were promised a 3 bitcoin reward, and only got 0.05 btc? Put yourself in the contest participants shoes and think about it.
it's obvious they did not intend to pay 3BTC to each, i was about to enter the contest but somehow forgotten about it, i made video for crypto-games and got 0.05BTC that's why i propose this as solution.

They are saying themselves they meant to pay 3btc shared, that would be fine too. 

I pointed out in the first post that even though they said "3 bitcoin each" I thought it might be "3 bitcoin shared"

Only reason we're still discussing "3btc each vs 3btc shared" is because instead of addressing the issue directly and apologizing for the mistake, they lied about it and tried to make it seem like someone else should be held accountable for the rules they posted about a contest they were running.  

As of today, they haven't apologized or admitted to doing anything wrong.



Might as well ad them taking more rake than advertised and not really seeming to give a shit.

The rake is advertised as 4% at cash tables, but they are taking 5%. This needs to be fixed immediately.

No response to this? Should be fixed. Uncapped 5% rake for a bitcoin poker site is just stupid.

The extra 1% is distributed among the top rake makers of the network, this is a mandatory requirement of the network we are enrolled in.

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