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Author Topic: IOHK Research and Scorex ARE NOT working with Waves  (Read 33892 times)
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April 12, 2016, 01:06:49 PM
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It has come to my attention that Waves is representing the scorex codebase and our whitepapers as their work for the purposes of holding a crowdsale. Iohk has no relationship with Waves. The scorex core developers are iohk employees and will not be collaborating in any capacity with the Waves team. We do NOT endorse their sale or claims.

We cannot stop Waves from using Scorex as a foundation for their project as it is open source; however, none of the Waves team have made any contributions to scorex and again the lead developer of scorex will not collaborate with Waves.

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April 12, 2016, 01:09:02 PM
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Waves is representing the scorex codebase and our whitepapers as their work

Hi Charles,
could you please provide evidence for this.

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Charles Hoskinson, former CEO of Ethereum, owner of company IOHK which is working on a platform called Scorex, accuses the WAVES team of representing the scorex database and whitepapers as their own work.

=> Answer from Sasha: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1434851.msg14540259#msg14540259
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April 12, 2016, 01:13:11 PM
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Your organization first added Alex as a team member of Waves. He was not and I had to ask sasha to remove him from the page. Next your team is posting IOHK whitepapers as technical justification for Waves https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4efc2e/waves_ico_ensures_maximum_transparency_through/


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April 12, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
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Your organization first added Alex as a team member of Waves. He was not and I had to ask sasha to remove him from the page. Next your team is posting IOHK whitepapers as technical justification for Waves https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4efc2e/waves_ico_ensures_maximum_transparency_through/

Excuse me, I am not part of the Waves organisation. I am an individual that is participating in their signature promotion campaign at the moment.

I am just asking for evidence regarding the claim that WAVES is presenting IOHK work as their work. Could you please provide that? Thanks a lot
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April 12, 2016, 01:17:29 PM
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Alex is the core developer of Scorex and an employee of my company. Again as a PSA, Waves has no relationship with Scorex or IOHK. Any representation of this is a lie and if it continues IOHK will send a formal cease and desist.

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April 12, 2016, 01:18:52 PM
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Alex is the core developer of Scorex and an employee of my company. Again as a PSA, Waves has no relationship with Scorex or IOHK. Any representation of this is a lie and if it continues IOHK will send a formal cease and desist.

Thank you for elaborating on that.
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April 12, 2016, 01:21:00 PM
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It has come to my attention that Waves is representing the scorex codebase and our whitepapers as their work for the purposes of holding a crowdsale. Iohk has no relationship with Waves. The scorex core developers are iohk employees and will not be collaborating in any capacity with the Waves team. We do NOT endorse their sale or claims.

We cannot stop Waves from using Scorex as a foundation for their project as it is open source; however, none of the Waves team have made any contributions to scorex and again the lead developer of scorex will not collaborate with Waves.

Hm, I thought Scorex was created by kushti who is in Waves team. Maybe I just confused the framework name...
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April 12, 2016, 01:22:53 PM
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Kushti is a member of the IOHK team and IS NOT a member of the Waves team.

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April 12, 2016, 01:24:22 PM
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From http://coremedia.info/index.php/blockchain-news/item/230-waves-ultimate-crypto-tokens-blockchain-platform/230-waves-ultimate-crypto-tokens-blockchain-platform
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"JL777 and Kushti are providing consultation, the full node prototype will be built on Scorex, a compact cryptocurrency library developed by Kushti's team"


From Waves Q&A https://blog.wavesplatform.com/faq-7664c1d1b1bf#.5z5m7mdb0
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Q: Who are the NXT developers involved in WAVES?
A: Devs involved: JL777, Kushti, Tosch. Project leader, Coinomat at NXTforum.

I would like to get a statement from Kushti...
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April 12, 2016, 01:26:06 PM
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I would like to get a statement from Kushti...

That quote says he is a consultant. No need to have his statement I think, everything is pretty clear.
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April 12, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
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I would like to get a statement from Kushti...

That quote says he is a consultant. No need to have his statement I think, everything is pretty clear.

Agreed. But the second statement implies more than "consulting", IMO.
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April 12, 2016, 01:33:28 PM
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I would like to get a statement from Kushti...

That quote says he is a consultant. No need to have his statement I think, everything is pretty clear.

Agreed. But the second statement implies more than "consulting", IMO.


WAVES website states:

Q: Who are the NXT developers involved in WAVES?
A: Devs involved: JL777, Kushti, Tosch. Project leader, Coinomat at NXTforum.

Q: What programming language will be used to develop the platform?
A: Full node client will be built is Scala, on Scorex platform which Kushti and his team have been developing. Lite, end-user, client will be in JS. Also there most probably will be a full-node C++ client too.
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April 12, 2016, 01:40:16 PM
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And what about this?

https://twitter.com/wavesplatform/status/712947085084135425


(Waiting for a statement from Kushti even more...)
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April 12, 2016, 01:44:11 PM
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Your organization first added Alex [KUSHTI] as a team member of Waves. He was not and I had to ask sasha to remove him from the page.

Wow! What does this mean? Are there discrepancies between Charles and Alex(Kushti)?

Seems like we can only wait for Kushti to shed some light on this.
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April 12, 2016, 01:45:55 PM
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Seems there are some internal problems within the organisation on IOHK side.

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April 12, 2016, 01:48:48 PM
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why speaking at in this phase? WAVE ICO has just started. if only you shout before WAVE ICO, many got pay attention on this. Cool

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April 12, 2016, 01:49:18 PM
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Cute.  Roll Eyes

All the same information has been out there for weeks if not months now and you decide to slither out of your hole right after the sale begins?
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April 12, 2016, 01:55:21 PM
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It has come to my attention that Waves is representing the scorex codebase and our whitepapers as their work for the purposes of holding a crowdsale. Iohk has no relationship with Waves. The scorex core developers are iohk employees and will not be collaborating in any capacity with the Waves team. We do NOT endorse their sale or claims.

We cannot stop Waves from using Scorex as a foundation for their project as it is open source; however, none of the Waves team have made any contributions to scorex and again the lead developer of scorex will not collaborate with Waves.
What i want to know is, why are you posting this the day of the ICO start?

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April 12, 2016, 02:00:58 PM
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why now?

ICO is running, so why now?

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April 12, 2016, 02:02:50 PM
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Seems he is trying to make some FUD. On Reddit there is a post about this also. They say Waves is doing some stuff that isn't true. They say Waves is using their code and acting like they found some new tech etc. Waves is saying they open a new platform and even say its build on top of existing code. So it seems IOHK is twisting words.

They also make statements that art true because In Slack there where other things.

Ill hope the poster of the topic doesn't live in a country that signed the Cybercrime act. Since there is a article that states posting things like this to try to make a company/item that is with something less worthy, is illegal. And I don't like it when people fund other projects with unproven stuff. Special when it cost investors money.

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