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February 14, 2013, 08:16:01 PM |
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Even if ALL the BTC eventually gets refunded.. Tom is still a scammer, period.
Agree 100% I'm curious if people might want to go all the way and take him out legally. If he was so tech savvy, he could have distributed the BTC funds in a few hours. Can you imagine then if he actually had products to ship how long it may have taken to ship? ||bit |
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February 14, 2013, 08:31:53 PM
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Even if ALL the BTC eventually gets refunded.. Tom is still a scammer, period.
Agree 100% I'm curious if people might want to go all the way and take him out legally. If he was so tech savvy, he could have distributed the BTC funds in a few hours. Can you imagine then if he actually had products to ship how long it may have taken to ship? ||bit Negative. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44399.0Who said Tom is tech savvy? Edit: found some more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63638.0That one is even better, he got "hacked" and lost 400 BTC. Linking back to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=21325.0 |
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February 14, 2013, 09:19:08 PM |
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It will be interesting to see what comes of that. The Can Electric website is down right now coincidentally, but if there really is no affiliation and Tom decided to pick a random company and pose as them, I wouldn't be shocked to see him end up with criminal proceedings filed against him.
Last word from Ari was that it was being investigated by the RCMP. If no-one actually fell for it, I'm not sure how seriously attempted fraud would be regarded. There are no doubt a ton of US laws which were technically broken, but not every crime gets prosecuted. It's likely that investors were also lied to and they may decide to take action even if all customers are refunded. |
All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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February 14, 2013, 11:21:07 PM |
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Just checking in because I received 72 BTC from Tom. I had one 54 GH/s unit and one 27 GH/s unit both paid with BTC (150 BTC paid total). Seems like the price was calculated around 24 $/BTC.  |
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February 14, 2013, 11:38:57 PM |
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Just checking in because I received 72 BTC from Tom.
good on you mate. what was your order #? |
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February 15, 2013, 03:51:08 AM
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Who said Tom is tech savvy?
Gleanable from places in the forums & outside. Here are a couple outside: http://web.archive.org/web/20110203011330/http://sites.google.com/site/votevanriper/http://www.satoshisuperstars.com/cablepair/But I'm really making more out of it by saying this, because it wouldn't require a lot of tech savvy to prepare a list of your customers and how much is owed. Then simply entering in the amount in your bitcoin wallet and clicking send. And it might be nice if you send an email to said person you sent bitcoins to to let them know. I don't hate Tom. He is even redeemable. I just don't like his business practice. Makes past BFL, as many perceived it in it's earlier days, seem world class. ||bit |
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February 15, 2013, 04:11:26 AM |
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Something I'd like to know for sure is, can BTC sent to a unique wallet address be traced thereafter, and determined to have been exchanged for cash on a big exchanges (e.g. MtGox)?
Any BTC tech aficionados care to take a swing at answering that, at least in theory?
My guess is that only a subsequent change in wallet address can be detected. But not any type of transaction taking place. I'm not familiar with how the MtGox process works exactly.
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February 15, 2013, 08:46:38 AM |
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I have received my refund.
I paid BTC 372,2799 and received a refund of BTC 138... I'm glad I got something back... I still consider Tom to be a scammer though.
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February 15, 2013, 09:21:13 AM |
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scammer in what sense? it seems he is starting to refund BTCs
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February 15, 2013, 09:29:12 AM |
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scammer in what sense? it seems he is starting to refund BTCs
No communication, lies, deceit, stories of 'hacked' accounts, CAN-Electric, drunken rants, ... |
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repentance
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February 15, 2013, 09:36:16 AM |
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scammer in what sense? it seems he is starting to refund BTCs
Let's wait until everyone's been refunded before we get too excited. I don't think we've had one of these clusterfucks yet where every single person has got back everything they were owed, although we've had several where many people got partial payments or some people got paid and others didn't. |
All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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February 15, 2013, 02:33:50 PM |
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Hi, Some time reading this forum, although I had not registered as my written English is not good. Although I read perfectly. I'm in Europe and I have not refunded anything. I paid a total of 189.7048 BTC. I made 3 orders and request a refund on the night of 13 to 14 January. - BASIC01 + Flat Shipping Rate 2012/10/22 - DHLSHIP 2012/10/23 - BASIC01 + Flat Shipping Rate 2012/11/23 Due to similar limitations, I likewise may have trouble pursuing legal recourse, but I fully support this initiative and would be glad to render assistance in any way I can.
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February 15, 2013, 03:10:07 PM |
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I suspect most refunds were made to those located in US. Thats because legally  there's little to be done for the non-US victims. I wish Tom the ripper would realize this offers him no protection. |
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February 15, 2013, 04:01:14 PM |
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I suspect most refunds were made to those located in US. Thats because legally there's little to be done for the non-US victims. I wish Tom the ripper would realize this offers him no protection. Wrong, I'm based in Belgium Tom is working his way down on the list he got from Dave with all the BTC refunds. He is refunding bigger and smaller BTC amounts |
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February 15, 2013, 04:08:51 PM |
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I suspect most refunds were made to those located in US. Thats because legally there's little to be done for the non-US victims. I wish Tom the ripper would realize this offers him no protection. Wrong, I'm based in Belgium Same here  |
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February 15, 2013, 07:13:17 PM |
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Wrong, I'm based in Belgium
I suspected but may have been wrong. Many still haven't received the refund yet. |
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XertroV
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February 15, 2013, 10:45:21 PM |
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Just checking in because I received 72 BTC from Tom.
good on you mate. what was your order #? I had two: 3XX and 16XX. I'm presuming both were refunded. I'm not based in the US, either. |
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February 16, 2013, 12:34:20 AM |
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I got no interest in this discussion, since I wasnt a customer. But has anyone ever seen this man in person?
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||bit (OP)
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February 16, 2013, 02:56:07 AM |
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I suspect most refunds were made to those located in US. Thats because legally there's little to be done for the non-US victims. I wish Tom the ripper would realize this offers him no protection. Wrong, I'm based in Belgium Tom is working his way down on the list he got from Dave with all the BTC refunds. He is refunding bigger and smaller BTC amounts What was your order number, or if you don't want to say, maybe approximate it. e.g. If it was Order# 123, you could type 12x, or worse 1xx. Let's see if there is a trend. ||bit |
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February 16, 2013, 02:57:07 AM |
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I suspect most refunds were made to those located in US. Thats because legally there's little to be done for the non-US victims. I wish Tom the ripper would realize this offers him no protection. Wrong, I'm based in Belgium Same here Same request: What was your order number, or if you don't want to say, maybe approximate it. e.g. If it was Order# 123, you could type 12x, or worse 1xx. Let's see if there is a trend. ||bit |
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