I caught someone cheating in auction

[jacee]

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

[Quickseller]

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

This is allowed, however it is generally frowned upon within the community. See this thread for details.

If you wish to open a scam accusation against this person you are welcome to do so.

[FriendlyChemist]

If you have any problem with the auctioneer you can make a report on him in reputation section. i don't think this type of act is harmful to anyone as one always wants higher profit.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Also,you can probably disclose their profiles instead of playing the hide and seek game.

[hilariousandco]

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.

[barbara44]

OP, I just want to ask what proof do you have to say that the auctioneer is using his alt and upping his prices? You know we can't just go and conclude without looking at both sides of the equation.
To answer to your question, I don't think it isn't legal since it's a risk he's taking. If he truly is using an alt and raising bids, he is risking that he might overbid and nobody else would bit on it anymore.

[apOsww]

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

Allowed it or not I think it's a negative trust for sure!

[Evildrum]

The person risks no one biting,if people get into a frenzy because others are involved they need to figure out better ways of going about buying in a auction,long run they will overpay way to often.
Its always buyer beware and you need to figure things out mostly on your own or get duped when some one is not there to hold your hand.
Not saying it isn't shady but you need to lock down proof of such thing and not let it turn into a he said,she said situation.

[xhomerx10]

It's called shill bidding.  It is wire-fraud - a federal crime.  Ergo anyone participating in such a scheme is conducting a scam.  An illegal scam - do you need any more justification that that to give a negative rep to all alts involved? 

[Evildrum]

It's called shill bidding.  It is wire-fraud - a federal crime.  Ergo anyone participating in such a scheme is conducting a scam.  An illegal scam - do you need any more justification that that to give a negative rep to all alts involved? 

I read this like autistic kid was blurting it out mid conversation and it made me smile.

So you looking to take this case to court or you just letting us know how smart you are for knowing such facts?

[xhomerx10]

You can read it any way you please sweetpea.
Its not worth enough on its own to interest law enforcement but I'm hoping there are enough members with trust who will eventually take notice and get out the red brush.

edit: for spelling correction

[jacee]

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.

As for proof he openly admitted to me that he bumped the price higher with the account he is selling.

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!
http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/?token=gngb44tc
This is the estimator it has some positive trust in untrusted feedback.
I bumped up the price with my account so I'm sorry for that. So I'm ignoring the bid and assumed you to take the previous bid

I won't really give a big fuss about it since the amount is only small but as for honesty, I think this action is an obvious attempt of fraud and shouldn't be encouraged.

[hilariousandco]

Please report the PM to me directly. Who is the alt account? Magicisme? If so he's already got negative for something.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Please report the PM to me directly. Who is the alt account? Magicisme? If so he's already got negative for something.

I think this is the account : lolgato1

You can see his bid in this auction thread which was right after the OP's.Maybe magic is me is involved as well.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435816.msg14532465#msg14532465

[MagicIsMe]

Please report the PM to me directly. Who is the alt account? Magicisme? If so he's already got negative for something.

I think this is the account : lolgato1

You can see his bid in this auction thread which was right after the OP's.Maybe magic is me is involved as well.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435816.msg14532465#msg14532465

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.
But, yes, I have witnessed some users that bump up their sales thread and/or give false feedback to themselves with alt accounts because I have had experience buying one from a user that did so.

Please report the PM to me directly. Who is the alt account? Magicisme? If so he's already got negative for something.

And up to now, I have no idea what that "something" is.

[Blazed]

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

[notlist3d]

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

It also looks bad for him, I think a innocent person would say that they did not do it and are innocent.  He asks how can they say he was involved.   So kinda shady on that  part.

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.

Above is just part of quote go above for full

[MagicIsMe]

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

It also looks bad for him, I think a innocent person would say that they did not do it and are innocent.  He asks how can they say he was involved.   So kinda shady on that  part.

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.

Above is just part of quote go above for full

Well, yeah, an innocent person would also file charges for false allegations. If I said that I didn't do it, what are the odds of him believing me? He'll probably raise up some other affiliation like followed comments etc. so I just asked him a straightforward question.

[notlist3d]

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

It also looks bad for him, I think a innocent person would say that they did not do it and are innocent.  He asks how can they say he was involved.   So kinda shady on that  part.

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.

Above is just part of quote go above for full

Well, yeah, an innocent person would also file charges for false allegations. If I said that I didn't do it, what are the odds of him believing me? He'll probably raise up some other affiliation like followed comments etc. so I just asked him a straightforward question.

This is a internet forum a innocent person would not go file charges over this.  But they would deny it and say they did not do it, which you still have not did.   Not say how do you know I did it? I think and that is just my 2cents.

Are you denying doing it?  Or just denying no one has proved it?

[deuce22]

Yes, it is bad and should not be done