Betcoin.TM -> Owe me over 10.5BTC

[Darlesmole]

I don't believe what betcoin.tm says because few months back i tried to play there.

Created only one account and suddenly was unable to play poker.they said i have more than one account when i just have one account.So maybe their system is retard or they?

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[joksim299]

I'd like to point out that I didn't use any kind of bonus to win the 11 BTC they owe me.  I just played Gameart slots, which seem to have mysteriously disappeared from their site shortly after I won.

I assume their inability to lie about violating bonus terms is why they've chosen to ignore anything I post.

Clearly shows that betcointm has insufficient coins to payout... or maybe they do have enough but an amount like that would effect their 'bank roll'

Betcoin.TM address:

1BTPSjiSC1s3A5cqJrbDRi2LAHx3U88mKR
1Dhd2V19w7zLaXrK1zPp2eES6Km1cBVzDs
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If you check this two address you'll find that this site moves many many BTC. Don't worry, they have money to pay, but they don't want to pay, it's different

well, moving a lot doesnt mean they have a big balance. Anyways, 10-11 btc is not a big amount for a casino to payout and as you said, they clearly dont want to pay out.

https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Betcoin.tm/addresses ~ 50BTC

[Slowturtleinc]

Stalling is usual a sign they are not well funded and trying to figure out a way to get this issue dragged out so they are not overextended.

[TwitchySeal]

Violating T&C and gaining an unfair advantage are not the same thing.  Please post the terms of the bonus you claim was abused.

[betcointm]

I don't believe what betcoin.tm says because few months back i tried to play there.

Created only one account and suddenly was unable to play poker.they said i have more than one account when i just have one account.So maybe their system is retard or they?

At one point we did not allow VPNs - and we still don't allow accounts using the same IP to play.

VPN restriction has since been lifted.

[Darlesmole]

I don't believe what betcoin.tm says because few months back i tried to play there.

Created only one account and suddenly was unable to play poker.they said i have more than one account when i just have one account.So maybe their system is retard or they?

At one point we did not allow VPNs - and we still don't allow accounts using the same IP to play.

VPN restriction has since been lifted.

I never used Vpn and i don't know how to set up Vpn.
With this kind of stuff i leave your site but I thought you guys want to make better site but i was wrong sorry to say.There were lot of issue with withdrawal and still the same.

[betcointm]

Violating T&C and gaining an unfair advantage are not the same thing.  Please post the terms of the bonus you claim was abused.

I think we're not communicating this properly:

When you create multiple accounts we do not allow ANY player to take advantage of bonuses.

When I say 'take advantage of bonus offers' I mean use and benefit from them - not the definition you are thinking of.

Does this make sense?

[Heutenamos]

I have spoken to betcoin.tm for a significant amount of time & he has always been supportive & helpful.However, the multi account thing has been raised a lot of times in the past as well and it is not allowed for more than one person in the same house to play with the same IP's as there is no one to come & check them.The same applies for referral bonuses etc...It's common sense.

If you do as you like then the casino has the right to do as they like.This is if OP truly has several accounts.

Violating T&C and gaining an unfair advantage are not the same thing.  Please post the terms of the bonus you claim was abused.

I think we're not communicating this properly:

When you create multiple accounts we do not allow ANY player to take advantage of bonuses.

When I say 'take advantage of bonus offers' I mean use and benefit from them - not the definition you are thinking of.

Does this make sense?

Yes,It does.

[TwitchySeal]

Will you please post the terms of the bonus.  I'm not sure how else to ask this.

I have spoken to betcoin.tm for a significant amount of time & he has always been supportive & helpful.However, the multi account thing has been raised a lot of times in the past as well and it is not allowed for more than one person in the same house to play with the same IP's as there is no one to come & check them.The same applies for referral bonuses etc...It's common sense.

If you do as you like then the casino has the right to do as they like.This is if OP truly has several accounts.

Violating T&C and gaining an unfair advantage are not the same thing.  Please post the terms of the bonus you claim was abused.

I think we're not communicating this properly:

When you create multiple accounts we do not allow ANY player to take advantage of bonuses.

When I say 'take advantage of bonus offers' I mean use and benefit from them - not the definition you are thinking of.

Does this make sense?

Yes,It does.

It would make sense if it were possible for a player to benefit from the bonus.  Which is what I'm trying to figure out.

[Heutenamos]

Will you please post the terms of the bonus.  I'm not sure how else to ask this.

I have spoken to betcoin.tm for a significant amount of time & he has always been supportive & helpful.However, the multi account thing has been raised a lot of times in the past as well and it is not allowed for more than one person in the same house to play with the same IP's as there is no one to come & check them.The same applies for referral bonuses etc...It's common sense.

If you do as you like then the casino has the right to do as they like.This is if OP truly has several accounts.

Violating T&C and gaining an unfair advantage are not the same thing.  Please post the terms of the bonus you claim was abused.

I think we're not communicating this properly:

When you create multiple accounts we do not allow ANY player to take advantage of bonuses.

When I say 'take advantage of bonus offers' I mean use and benefit from them - not the definition you are thinking of.

Does this make sense?

Yes,It does.

It would make sense if it were possible for a player to benefit from the bonus.  Which is what I'm trying to figure out.

You have a history with these casinos's and i dont.I wouldn't even come online for this but because i know this guy from months & he never seemed fishy.he is smart though.

user not violting the terms of the bonus is not the issue here but he has violated a general casino rule applicable for each & every game.You might be allowed to have 50 accounts but you certainly aren't allowed to abuse the bonuses/referrals with all of them.

Stunna banned the faucet farmers some months ago & he also neg-tagged eal for abusing his giveaways in the past.It is way too simple for one to understand but i know what you are doing here.

Good Luck to you but this is no way a scam accusation cause the OP has been refunded his deposited coins.

read more there..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1283187.msg13495319#msg13495319

[debuni]

I have spoken to betcoin.tm for a significant amount of time & he has always been supportive & helpful.However, the multi account thing has been raised a lot of times in the past as well and it is not allowed for more than one person in the same house to play with the same IP's as there is no one to come & check them.The same applies for referral bonuses etc...It's common sense.

If you do as you like then the casino has the right to do as they like.This is if OP truly has several accounts.

Violating T&C and gaining an unfair advantage are not the same thing.  Please post the terms of the bonus you claim was abused.

I think we're not communicating this properly:

When you create multiple accounts we do not allow ANY player to take advantage of bonuses.

When I say 'take advantage of bonus offers' I mean use and benefit from them - not the definition you are thinking of.

Does this make sense?

Yes,It does.

Finally somebody to stand up for Betcon.TM.

I also liked them a lot with their fancy dice rolling... till thay scammed me with 11.25BTC -2.9 returned...

BUT. I'm not multi accouter and they don't have/cannot submit ANY prof of this. Just because I used only maruni as account with them.

And what about cwil, who never used a bonus, just won 11BTC on slots and still waiting for payment over 16 days?? Is he another hacker of their provably fair games??

--> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.msg14600949#msg14600949

Also few other players complained that they are waiting for cashback promo over a month now.






I will update and OP:

You've said there will be a ONE day / 24 hours / review if I've get lucky to clear the bonus. Then you publicly said you are doing TWO WEEKS review. This mean every player could stuck for weeks with you. So guys, use your head wisely.

--> Pastebin of chat for 24 hours review and that I'm eligible for bonus

"Angel (22:53:23): I see here that you are still eligible to have our 201% and 101% match deposit bonuses"

-snip - about returning of my initial deposit:

It's been processed.

Will post tx id if you authorize it.

Yes, it was finally proceeded. I don't need to authorize it. Transaction is made to my public address from my profile...
Got at least 2.9BTC back. OP updated.

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No, we did not give you the winnings from the bonus money that we confiscated as you did not place those bets using your own funds.

And what about the 2BTC I won, betting with my OWN funds - e.g. after clearing the bonus?? If I had lose, everything would be fine for you, right?

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3. The amount of this cashout is by no means small, but neither is it in the upper end of what we process. Size has nothing to do with this conversation. Debuni/Maruni violated the terms of service and appropriate action was taken.

You freerolled this player.

Please post the terms of the bonus you claim he abused.

If it's a bonus that could be abused, you would be justified in freerolling him.

I don't understand how creating multiple accounts, and thereby directly violating of our Terms of Service, is not enough to answer your question.

Creating multiple accounts voids players from benefiting from ANY bonus.

Please, as I was the initiator of this public scam accusation:

Please, explain in public how I violated the terms of service and as you are accusing me of multi accounting.
Do you have ANY proofs? No because this is just and excuse for not paying me. And you could do it with any player... So in my eyes you are still scammers.


--> Pastebin and of all my bets. As you can see they are all made by their rules in previous pastebin about bonus, and they cannot submit any proof about their multi account accusation, because I've never used another account beside maruni with them.
Bets until jadecoin are for bonus, then I won another 2BTC with OWN funds, as every satoshi then is not a BONUS funds. I've I got lost, they would be happy as hell.

Edit: 2nd Pastebin for bets, as 1st one exceeded the free limit of 512KB/past

[Slowturtleinc]

Ran into this multiaccount issue when I signed up and forgot the password. It kept telling me to sign from my bitcoin account that I had not linked to them yet,hell had not even used the account yet.
So I sent support 3 emails and no reply over a week.
Since I was most likely not going to play on the site anyways I thought maybe the account was never activated.
Keep in mind I used a affiliate link to join. Would not let me log in with the new account.
Finally I catch Angel on support live and she starts giving me the riot act but since I cam clean they would fix this issue.
Firstly it was two accounts that I had never used and still have not used and the issue was because I got no response from support. But she kept on in this manner and it was real off putting but made me think how easy they could pull this crap with established accounts and be scott free. She noted my account and that was enough for me to say bye bye!

Thats my whole dealing with the site,it smelled fishy from the start with the fake half clad women all over the site and the chat trying to act sexy.

[irfan_pak10]

I had nothing personal with the Both OP & Betcoin, Because I made many Exchanges with the OP Which went very well and smoothly without any Issue, and I also Earned few BTC From betcoin and Sometime I got issue about the Withdrawal which was cleared because of Betcoin here.

Today I got lucky to connect with betcoin on skype and I asked about the OP, Because OP was waiting for his BTC to exchange with me  And I thought why Not ask from him [betcoin] about OP issue and here is His Reply



now what you say OP?

[debuni]

I had nothing personal with the Both OP & Betcoin, Because I made many Exchanges with the OP Which went very well and smoothly without any Issue, and I also Earned few BTC From betcoin and Sometime I got issue about the Withdrawal which was cleared because of Betcoin here.

Today I got lucky to connect with betcoin on skype and I asked about the OP, Because OP was waiting for his BTC to exchange with me  And I thought why Not ask from him [betcoin] about OP issue and here is His Reply



now what you say OP?

Please look at detailed post above - I don't have multiple accounts and I request them to prove it publicly. Because otherwise they can say this to ANY winner and took any coins.

As you can see, I wrote it nearly 2 days ago and they didn't reply just because they cant prove something which is false.

And what about other guys /stated in OP/ who are still waiting for their coins???




"now what you say OP?"

This is like I to wrote somewhere you are scammer or owe me XX coins or whatever without any proof and then to say to you - "now what you say OP?"...

I have spoken to betcoin.tm for a significant amount of time & he has always been supportive & helpful.However, the multi account thing has been raised a lot of times in the past as well and it is not allowed for more than one person in the same house to play with the same IP's as there is no one to come & check them.The same applies for referral bonuses etc...It's common sense.

If you do as you like then the casino has the right to do as they like.This is if OP truly has several accounts.

Violating T&C and gaining an unfair advantage are not the same thing.  Please post the terms of the bonus you claim was abused.

I think we're not communicating this properly:

When you create multiple accounts we do not allow ANY player to take advantage of bonuses.

When I say 'take advantage of bonus offers' I mean use and benefit from them - not the definition you are thinking of.

Does this make sense?

Yes,It does.

Finally somebody to stand up for Betcon.TM.

I also liked them a lot with their fancy dice rolling... till thay scammed me with 11.25BTC -2.9 returned...

BUT. I'm not multi accouter and they don't have/cannot submit ANY prof of this. Just because I used only maruni as account with them.

And what about cwil, who never used a bonus, just won 11BTC on slots and still waiting for payment over 16 days?? Is he another hacker of their provably fair games??

--> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.msg14600949#msg14600949

Also few other players complained that they are waiting for cashback promo over a month now.






I will update and OP:

You've said there will be a ONE day / 24 hours / review if I've get lucky to clear the bonus. Then you publicly said you are doing TWO WEEKS review. This mean every player could stuck for weeks with you. So guys, use your head wisely.

--> Pastebin of chat for 24 hours review and that I'm eligible for bonus

"Angel (22:53:23): I see here that you are still eligible to have our 201% and 101% match deposit bonuses"

-snip - about returning of my initial deposit:

It's been processed.

Will post tx id if you authorize it.

Yes, it was finally proceeded. I don't need to authorize it. Transaction is made to my public address from my profile...
Got at least 2.9BTC back. OP updated.

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No, we did not give you the winnings from the bonus money that we confiscated as you did not place those bets using your own funds.

And what about the 2BTC I won, betting with my OWN funds - e.g. after clearing the bonus?? If I had lose, everything would be fine for you, right?

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3. The amount of this cashout is by no means small, but neither is it in the upper end of what we process. Size has nothing to do with this conversation. Debuni/Maruni violated the terms of service and appropriate action was taken.

You freerolled this player.

Please post the terms of the bonus you claim he abused.

If it's a bonus that could be abused, you would be justified in freerolling him.

I don't understand how creating multiple accounts, and thereby directly violating of our Terms of Service, is not enough to answer your question.

Creating multiple accounts voids players from benefiting from ANY bonus.

Please, as I was the initiator of this public scam accusation:

Please, explain in public how I violated the terms of service and as you are accusing me of multi accounting.
Do you have ANY proofs? No because this is just and excuse for not paying me. And you could do it with any player... So in my eyes you are still scammers.


--> Pastebin and of all my bets. As you can see they are all made by their rules in previous pastebin about bonus, and they cannot submit any proof about their multi account accusation, because I've never used another account beside maruni with them.
Bets until jadecoin are for bonus, then I won another 2BTC with OWN funds, as every satoshi then is not a BONUS funds. I've I got lost, they would be happy as hell.

Edit: 2nd Pastebin for bets, as 1st one exceeded the free limit of 512KB/past

[debuni]

Havent been to betcoin for a while now but looking at some of the comments above there seems to be a few issues?

Yeah there are Few issues around here about their legitimacy, Because OP is also not replying here to confirm that these are all rumor, we paid everyone. These people are waiting for him to pay them soon.

Sorry about this second post, but forgot to ask you in previous. And as you moved from PM to the topic:

Could be kind to clarify, with a simple yes or no, are you now working for Betcoin.TM?

Thank you.

[irfan_pak10]

Havent been to betcoin for a while now but looking at some of the comments above there seems to be a few issues?

Yeah there are Few issues around here about their legitimacy, Because OP is also not replying here to confirm that these are all rumor, we paid everyone. These people are waiting for him to pay them soon.

Sorry about this second post, but forgot to ask you in previous. And as you moved from PM to the topic:

Could be kind to clarify, with a simple yes or no, are you now working for Betcoin.TM?

Thank you.

Im NOT Working for Betcoin, I had good relation with betcoin and i had his skype address, and usually talk with him when i have issues. And When I saw he is Not replying here, I thought why Not ask him by pming him at skype. And yesterday he respond me. Let me ask him to provide proofs about Multiaccount ISSUE.

Regards

[debuni]

Havent been to betcoin for a while now but looking at some of the comments above there seems to be a few issues?

Yeah there are Few issues around here about their legitimacy, Because OP is also not replying here to confirm that these are all rumor, we paid everyone. These people are waiting for him to pay them soon.

Sorry about this second post, but forgot to ask you in previous. And as you moved from PM to the topic:

Could be kind to clarify, with a simple yes or no, are you now working for Betcoin.TM?

Thank you.

Im NOT Working for Betcoin, I had good relation with betcoin and i had his skype address, and usually talk with him when i have issues. And When I saw he is Not replying here, I thought why Not ask him by pming him at skype. And yesterday he respond me. Let me ask him to provide proofs about Multiaccount ISSUE.

Regards

Sure. Could you please ask him and why Betcoin.TM


Owe @cwil 11BTC for 20+ days
-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.msg14600949#msg14600949

Owe @camelson ?? cashback for over a month
-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1283187.msg14550413#msg14550413

Owe @OrangeSeller ?? cashback for over a month
-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358728.msg14491697#msg14491697

and those are only the public known.

[irfan_pak10]

Havent been to betcoin for a while now but looking at some of the comments above there seems to be a few issues?

Yeah there are Few issues around here about their legitimacy, Because OP is also not replying here to confirm that these are all rumor, we paid everyone. These people are waiting for him to pay them soon.

Sorry about this second post, but forgot to ask you in previous. And as you moved from PM to the topic:

Could be kind to clarify, with a simple yes or no, are you now working for Betcoin.TM?

Thank you.

Im NOT Working for Betcoin, I had good relation with betcoin and i had his skype address, and usually talk with him when i have issues. And When I saw he is Not replying here, I thought why Not ask him by pming him at skype. And yesterday he respond me. Let me ask him to provide proofs about Multiaccount ISSUE.

Regards

Sure. Could you please ask him and why Betcoin.TM


Owe @cwil 11BTC for 20+ days
-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.msg14600949#msg14600949

Owe @camelson ?? cashback for over a month
-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1283187.msg14550413#msg14550413

Owe @OrangeSeller ?? cashback for over a month
-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358728.msg14491697#msg14491697

and those are only the public known.

They have Sent the Cashbacks yesterday, To these People.

But I will talk to him about you both people

Thanks

[debuni]

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They have Sent the Cashbacks yesterday, To these People.

But I will talk to him about you both people

Thanks

Good and natural development as those cashbacks were ~0.1 by my guess.

I had a very good opinion on Betcoin.TM before this case and if you check my posts you will see they are only positive. But past behavior doesn't prove there will be no problems in future.

And this is not only about payment issues. Because:

a) Do you think it's normal to tell me there will be 24 hours! review of my account /which is completely normal/ and then without any further communication to extent it to over 14 days and state this is there normal procedure. So every player could expect a 2 WEEKS block. I don't.  // pastebin of conversation is above

b) Do you think it's normal to asking every day, day after day, what happen, require back communication and nothing happens for 10+ days? I don't. // timeline is in OP

c) Do you think it's normal users like cwil to ask many many many times what happen with his 11BTC and to not get a single answer before this topic? I don't.

d) Do you think it's normal users to wait OVER A MONTH for cashback of a promotion?  I don't.

e) Do you think it's normal is normal constantly to have many communication and payment issues?  I don't.  // just check their topic

Do you think they deserve a good reputation now? I don't.


For me this is completely waste of time now. They have plenty of time to sort things right. They don't want to.
So for me this is nearly closed. I just hope at least @cwil will get his 11BTC.

[mcb1221]

Many people think them as clever and create multiple accounts to exploit bonus this may/May not be case with op , but still i feel that betcoin.tm will not ruin its reputation until there is fault from other side.
The only fact that lies now is either OP is a Liar or the accused , only you both knows.