Betcoin.TM -> Owe me over 10.5BTC

[betcointm]

I've read this scam accusation and I'm really surprised. I've worked for Betcoin.TM something like 4 months, and I've left my position almost 1 month ago.

I can tell you something in way to alert and relax you:

- They have BTC to pay you. Actually their Bankroll is approximatively to 200+ BTC.

- Chat support is managed by only one person, and this person is James. (Yes, I've discovered it a lot of time ago, that's impossible that everyone use the same writing style and when I asked for James on skype, sometimes James was instantly connected on skype after my request  )

- Their site is really beautiful, but in any case, I don't advice you to play with it.

- Good luck with your withdraw, I don't think that he will not pay you.

- I'd have many things to say, but I prefer to stop here.

You know what I'm actually really amazed right now because the past four or five times ever since like I did email James and I talked to him and I cannot complain that everything good my withdrawals have been completely instant every single time now I got to withdrawal pending I am not really like nervous or anything I'm just so disappointed because the site was such a pleasure to play on when it was an instant

Some of this is accurate, some is not.

1. Our bankroll is enough to pay, and we've been in business 3 years. No one is looking to scam someone out of a few BTC - especially someone who I've chat with pleasantly before on this forum (unless my memory fails me).

2. We have several chat agents based all over. Sometimes I get on chat using the account "Elaine", who is a person that also works here (and is not me).

3. I'm glad you like the design of the site! However, many users don't like the red theme, so we are going through some changes

4. Gianluca was an excellent asset to the company and unfortunately things did not continue on either front.

5. Two people manage this forum account. The reason is that you guys are all intelligent and well-meaning folks, and we do not want to let a newbie on here to pacify you.

We will be posting some new bonuses soon. There is also a *slight* possibility of a hack-a-thon, where we will pay small amounts for bugs found on the site.

New features will continue to be rolled out, and we hope everyone gets a chance to check them out!

Good Luck and Good Fortune to all,

BetCoinTM

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[debuni]

Dear Valued User Maruni:


After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.

The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.

Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.

We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.


I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.


We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.

Good Luck and Good Fortune,

BetCoinTM

You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs.

How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted??

Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true.

And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course).

[jackg]

Dear Valued User Maruni:


After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.

The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.

Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.

We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.


I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.


We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.

Good Luck and Good Fortune,

BetCoinTM

This is very confusing still.
Recently in another post similar to this you seem to have said:
"No one is looking to scam someone out of a few BTC"
This means alone that you have enough funds to cover this person's aquired assets.

This is what is confusing me: If you want to keep up a good identity and it is (only) "a few BTC" then one would have thought you would have honoured this anyway.


BetcoinTM - could you please PM me ANY REASONABLE information you have for not paying this?

[TwitchySeal]

After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

How many players have you freerolled like this Betcoin.tm?  Any idea?  Remember to count the ones who didn't cash out but still believe they would be able to if they tried.  Can someone share the terms of the bonus they are accusing OP of abusing.

If they are the ones I've seen, its ridiculous to accuse anyone of "abusing" them since they only reduce your equity if accepted before your first bet.

[cwil]

I'd like to point out that I didn't use any kind of bonus to win the 11 BTC they owe me.  I just played Gameart slots, which seem to have mysteriously disappeared from their site shortly after I won.

I assume their inability to lie about violating bonus terms is why they've chosen to ignore anything I post.

[james.lent]

I'd like to point out that I didn't use any kind of bonus to win the 11 BTC they owe me.  I just played Gameart slots, which seem to have mysteriously disappeared from their site shortly after I won.

I assume their inability to lie about violating bonus terms is why they've chosen to ignore anything I post.

Clearly shows that betcointm has insufficient coins to payout... or maybe they do have enough but an amount like that would effect their 'bank roll'

[Gianluca95]

I'd like to point out that I didn't use any kind of bonus to win the 11 BTC they owe me.  I just played Gameart slots, which seem to have mysteriously disappeared from their site shortly after I won.

I assume their inability to lie about violating bonus terms is why they've chosen to ignore anything I post.

Clearly shows that betcointm has insufficient coins to payout... or maybe they do have enough but an amount like that would effect their 'bank roll'

Betcoin.TM address:

1BTPSjiSC1s3A5cqJrbDRi2LAHx3U88mKR
1Dhd2V19w7zLaXrK1zPp2eES6Km1cBVzDs
...
...


If you check this two address you'll find that this site moves many many BTC. Don't worry, they have money to pay, but they don't want to pay, it's different

[james.lent]

I'd like to point out that I didn't use any kind of bonus to win the 11 BTC they owe me.  I just played Gameart slots, which seem to have mysteriously disappeared from their site shortly after I won.

I assume their inability to lie about violating bonus terms is why they've chosen to ignore anything I post.

Clearly shows that betcointm has insufficient coins to payout... or maybe they do have enough but an amount like that would effect their 'bank roll'

Betcoin.TM address:

1BTPSjiSC1s3A5cqJrbDRi2LAHx3U88mKR
1Dhd2V19w7zLaXrK1zPp2eES6Km1cBVzDs
...
...


If you check this two address you'll find that this site moves many many BTC. Don't worry, they have money to pay, but they don't want to pay, it's different

well, moving a lot doesnt mean they have a big balance. Anyways, 10-11 btc is not a big amount for a casino to payout and as you said, they clearly dont want to pay out.

[debuni]

Dear Valued User Maruni:


After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.

The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.

Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.

We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.


I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.


We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.

Good Luck and Good Fortune,

BetCoinTM

You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs.

How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted??

Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true.

And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course).

Even my withdraw from yesterday is still pending...

[betcointm]

Dear Valued User Maruni:


After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.

The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.

Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.

We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.


I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.


We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.

Good Luck and Good Fortune,

BetCoinTM

You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs.

How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted??

Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true.

And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course).

If we wanted to do this, then we would have 'magically solved' the problem as soon as the thread was created and avoided the red trust at all.

We have a protocol that we follow and when you have so many bets, we looked at every one. We cross referenced them with the other account and came to a conclusion - and the bets were not the only indicator of a second account.

No, we did not give you the winnings from the bonus money that we confiscated as you did not place those bets using your own funds.

[TwitchySeal]

Dear Valued User Maruni:


After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.

The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.

Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.

We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.


I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.


We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.

Good Luck and Good Fortune,

BetCoinTM

You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs.

How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted??

Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true.

And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course).

If we wanted to do this, then we would have 'magically solved' the problem as soon as the thread was created and avoided the red trust at all.

We have a protocol that we follow and when you have so many bets, we looked at every one. We cross referenced them with the other account and came to a conclusion.

No, we did not give you the winnings from the bonus money that we confiscated as you did not place those bets using your own funds.

Please post the terms of the bonus that he abused.

[betcointm]

Dear Valued User Maruni:


After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.

The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.

Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.

We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.


I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.


We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.

Good Luck and Good Fortune,

BetCoinTM

You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs.

How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted??

Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true.

And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course).

If we wanted to do this, then we would have 'magically solved' the problem as soon as the thread was created and avoided the red trust at all.

We have a protocol that we follow and when you have so many bets, we looked at every one. We cross referenced them with the other account and came to a conclusion.

No, we did not give you the winnings from the bonus money that we confiscated as you did not place those bets using your own funds.

Please post the terms of the bonus that he abused.

It is the sitewide policy that we do not allow users with multiple accounts to take advantage of bonuses.

[TwitchySeal]

Dear Valued User Maruni:


After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.

The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.

Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.

We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.


I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.


We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.

Good Luck and Good Fortune,

BetCoinTM

You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs.

How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted??

Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true.

And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course).

If we wanted to do this, then we would have 'magically solved' the problem as soon as the thread was created and avoided the red trust at all.

We have a protocol that we follow and when you have so many bets, we looked at every one. We cross referenced them with the other account and came to a conclusion.

No, we did not give you the winnings from the bonus money that we confiscated as you did not place those bets using your own funds.

Please post the terms of the bonus that he abused.

It is the sitewide policy that we do not allow users with multiple accounts to take advantage of bonuses.

Please post the terms of the bonus that he abused.  I don't think your bonuses are something that can be "taken advantage of" because of the insane terms.

[betcointm]

Dear Valued User Maruni:


After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.

The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.

Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.

We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.


I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.


We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.

Good Luck and Good Fortune,

BetCoinTM

You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs.

How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted??

Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true.

And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course).

If we wanted to do this, then we would have 'magically solved' the problem as soon as the thread was created and avoided the red trust at all.

We have a protocol that we follow and when you have so many bets, we looked at every one. We cross referenced them with the other account and came to a conclusion.

No, we did not give you the winnings from the bonus money that we confiscated as you did not place those bets using your own funds.

Please post the terms of the bonus that he abused.

It is the sitewide policy that we do not allow users with multiple accounts to take advantage of bonuses.

Please post the terms of the bonus that he abused.  I don't think your bonuses are something that can be "taken advantage of" because of the insane terms.

I have explained that we do not allow users with multiple accounts to take advantage of any bonus, regardless of its specific terms.

We are not taking any money from debuni. We are returning his deposit in full.

[betcointm]

Dear Valued User Maruni:


After our fraud prevention team spent hours reviewing your bets and account history, we have found beyond a reasonable doubt that your account (maruni) is associated with at least one other account, and that this association was produced for the sole reason of benefiting from our bonus offers.

Although our terms and conditions, to which you assented upon creating your account, mandate that all funds in offending accounts be confiscated - in this case we have decided to refund your deposit and ban your account from taking advantage of bonus offers for an indefinite period of time.

The account with which the user "maruni" was associated, has been disabled permanently.

Any future system abuse from maruni or any account associated therewith will be grounds for the permanent disabling of said accounts and immediate confiscation of all funds therein.

We thank you kindly for being patient during the review process, and your account balance reflecting the amount of your most recent deposit is now available in your account for withdrawal.


I was happy to hear via James that you would be communicating with us in the future regarding the testing of new product features and integrations with new providers, and we very much look forward to your feedback regarding these matters.


We appreciate your patience in regard to this matter, and apologize for the length of time the review took.

Good Luck and Good Fortune,

BetCoinTM

You know this is wrong and only an excuse to not pay me my coins. In this matter you may found "reasonable doubt" for every withdraw of your players without any proofs.

How do you suddenly make your findings after 14 days and after you've been red trusted??

Please goes public which is this account and so on with your accusations, because this is public topic about your scam attempts. I'm sure you cannot, just because this is not true.

And you took even the ~2BTC I made playing after the bonus, so my account have only 2.9BTC (which I immaterially submitted for withdraw of course).

Even my withdraw from yesterday is still pending...

It's been processed.

Will post tx id if you authorize it.

[TwitchySeal]

You freerolled this player.

Please post the terms of the bonus you claim he abused.

If it's a bonus that could be abused, you would be justified in freerolling him.

[betcointm]

Yooo you know what to do, I've had a few issues similar to you, but if your a long standing consistent player, dont worry,  I don't know if you spoke with James, (I'm pretty sure he's the site owner)  but if you'd, PM me ill give you his email, he is the one to contact. 

Yes it can be annoying as shit! what your going through, but I've actually wagered like hundreds and hundreds of BTC's on that site over the course of 2 years, so im pretty sure you'll be straight.

Like i said, send me a message if you don't have James's email address, I'll give it to you, and he'll take care of it.  (i think)

Thanks for your support - glad to have you as our player.

I do what is fair. In this case the user clearly violated our terms of service, but he is a good customer so I did not confiscate the funds as is clearly stated in our terms of service.

This issue is resolved. We determined without question on more than one fronts that this user has multiple accounts. We refunded his deposit and therefore did not 'scam' any money out of him. His funds are fully returned to him.

We have been in business for three years, catering mostly to clients such as jpoker who play amounts just like he mentioned, and continue to expand on all fronts, adding new features monthly with no signs of stopping.

Just to go over everything:

1. Debuni/Maruni has *all* of his original deposit back. Nothing was stolen or 'scammed' from him.
2. We admitted to taking a long time resolving the issue. We did not 'magically resolve' it when the thread was created, as someone mentioned.
3. The amount of this cashout is by no means small, but neither is it in the upper end of what we process. Size has nothing to do with this conversation. Debuni/Maruni violated the terms of service and appropriate action was taken.

Thanks for understanding.

[TwitchySeal]

Yooo you know what to do, I've had a few issues similar to you, but if your a long standing consistent player, dont worry,  I don't know if you spoke with James, (I'm pretty sure he's the site owner)  but if you'd, PM me ill give you his email, he is the one to contact. 

Yes it can be annoying as shit! what your going through, but I've actually wagered like hundreds and hundreds of BTC's on that site over the course of 2 years, so im pretty sure you'll be straight.

Like i said, send me a message if you don't have James's email address, I'll give it to you, and he'll take care of it.  (i think)

Thanks for your support - glad to have you as our player.

I do what is fair. In this case the user clearly violated our terms of service, but he is a good customer so I did not confiscate the funds as is clearly stated in our terms of service.

This issue is resolved. We determined without question on more than one fronts that this user has multiple accounts. We refunded his deposit and therefore did not 'scam' any money out of him. His funds are fully returned to him.

We have been in business for three years, catering mostly to clients such as jpoker who play amounts just like he mentioned, and continue to expand on all fronts, adding new features monthly with no signs of stopping.

Just to go over everything:

1. Debuni/Maruni has *all* of his original deposit back. Nothing was stolen or 'scammed' from him.
2. We admitted to taking a long time resolving the issue. We did not 'magically resolve' it when the thread was created, as someone mentioned.
3. The amount of this cashout is by no means small, but neither is it in the upper end of what we process. Size has nothing to do with this conversation. Debuni/Maruni violated the terms of service and appropriate action was taken.

Thanks for understanding.

PLEASE post the terms of the bonus this player cleared.

Why is this so difficult?

If its a Bonus that could be abused, I would understand why you freerolled him.

[betcointm]

You freerolled this player.

Please post the terms of the bonus you claim he abused.

If it's a bonus that could be abused, you would be justified in freerolling him.

I don't understand how creating multiple accounts, and thereby directly violating of our Terms of Service, is not enough to answer your question.

Creating multiple accounts voids players from benefiting from ANY bonus.

[TwitchySeal]

You freerolled this player.

Please post the terms of the bonus you claim he abused.

If it's a bonus that could be abused, you would be justified in freerolling him.

I don't understand how creating multiple accounts, and thereby directly violating of our Terms of Service, is not enough to answer your question.

Creating multiple accounts voids players from benefiting from ANY bonus.

Please, post the terms of the bonus you claim he abused.