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I don't have time to follow IOTA anymore but I also bought from child_harold. 03/29/2016 14:22 0.4 Sent to 1HD23HA2vdmwF4w67KbyoMBrtimYr9fUaU
txid 252aed4f7af4aa3e9257f5f5509aae5ef5c1d485c24e0ceff3a1651fb16c3a24
All done Smiley The confirmation post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1360660.msg14352749#msg14352749Hopefully some of the solutions being discussed can be implemented to try and recover some of the Iota. Thanks. |
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josegines
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June 20, 2016, 09:26:42 AM |
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Maybe there is a solution.
Greetz
It seems that the only solution is to return child_harold |
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teletobi
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June 20, 2016, 10:59:52 AM |
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So, when iotatoken and CfB are looking up the possible Scam of CH, what about other Scams that might have occured?
I know it´s wrong, but I also bought some IOTA without escrow, but not at CH.
I still believe I get my IOTAs, but what if not? After Start of Mainnet it´s too late.
So if you´re changing things before the Launch of Mainnet, you should implement all Sales that happened between ICO and Start of Mainnet. Not only CH´s.
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Come-from-Beyond
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June 20, 2016, 11:05:40 AM |
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So, when iotatoken and CfB are looking up the possible Scam of CH, what about other Scams that might have occured?
I know it´s wrong, but I also bought some IOTA without escrow, but not at CH.
I still believe I get my IOTAs, but what if not? After Start of Mainnet it´s too late.
So if you´re changing things before the Launch of Mainnet, you should implement all Sales that happened between ICO and Start of Mainnet. Not only CH´s.
Is there a proof that CH scammed, not just grounded without access to a computer? |
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June 20, 2016, 11:23:57 AM |
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So, when iotatoken and CfB are looking up the possible Scam of CH, what about other Scams that might have occured?
I know it´s wrong, but I also bought some IOTA without escrow, but not at CH.
I still believe I get my IOTAs, but what if not? After Start of Mainnet it´s too late.
So if you´re changing things before the Launch of Mainnet, you should implement all Sales that happened between ICO and Start of Mainnet. Not only CH´s.
It's not our role to be the police. It's quite extraordinary how people repeatedly manage to turn our altruism into some "THIS IS SOMETHING YOU OWE US" again and again, and it's really becoming annoying. You bought without escrow? Your fault. Not ours, we told you explicitly not to do so 100 times, which was echoed ad nauseam by the rest of the community. We don't have time to hunt down and freeze every single account that may have been involved in something shady, nor will we. It's not just as easy as "he said, she said" and then we can freeze the account. There might be legitimate reasons for why someone is AFK for a few weeks or months. Child_Harold is a unique case in that he was a known troll and liar, the fact that anyone even considered buying from him without escrow hurts my brain, but it seems he was a big seller, so easy to resolve. If you know of any other big scammer that scammed 10+ people, sure we might find time to look into it, but that is not our job. We got 100 tasks to be done before the imminent launch and babysitting people is not high on that priority list. |
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teletobi
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June 20, 2016, 12:34:11 PM |
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So, when iotatoken and CfB are looking up the possible Scam of CH, what about other Scams that might have occured?
I know it´s wrong, but I also bought some IOTA without escrow, but not at CH.
I still believe I get my IOTAs, but what if not? After Start of Mainnet it´s too late.
So if you´re changing things before the Launch of Mainnet, you should implement all Sales that happened between ICO and Start of Mainnet. Not only CH´s.
It's not our role to be the police. It's quite extraordinary how people repeatedly manage to turn our altruism into some "THIS IS SOMETHING YOU OWE US" again and again, and it's really becoming annoying. You bought without escrow? Your fault. Not ours, we told you explicitly not to do so 100 times, which was echoed ad nauseam by the rest of the community. We don't have time to hunt down and freeze every single account that may have been involved in something shady, nor will we. It's not just as easy as "he said, she said" and then we can freeze the account. There might be legitimate reasons for why someone is AFK for a few weeks or months. Child_Harold is a unique case in that he was a known troll and liar, the fact that anyone even considered buying from him without escrow hurts my brain, but it seems he was a big seller, so easy to resolve. If you know of any other big scammer that scammed 10+ people, sure we might find time to look into it, but that is not our job. We got 100 tasks to be done before the imminent launch and babysitting people is not high on that priority list. I don´t want you to look up every case, I just wanted to say, that IF you consider to work over CH´s trades, you should do all. But I think there are more Important Things to be done right now for you both. I don´t mind if you don´t, it is my own Risk. And if it´s all lost, it´s my own Fault. |
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June 20, 2016, 01:57:26 PM |
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I don´t want you to look up every case, I just wanted to say, that IF you consider to work over CH´s trades, you should do all.
But I think there are more Important Things to be done right now for you both.
I don´t mind if you don´t, it is my own Risk. And if it´s all lost, it´s my own Fault.
If you are brave enough to come here and require help in a non escrowed deal, the least you could do now is POST THE USERNAME of the seller YOU SUSPECT may be scamming. It may help other people to not buy from him, or if its not too late to recover it, or clear up things. But i guess you dont care much of anyone else, as you didnt care how buying without escrow could affect negatively the community. |
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June 20, 2016, 02:03:00 PM
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sadly, i did also buy from child_harold (he is not responding by email either): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1440112.msg14584998#msg14584998...
CarlGraph bought 62.5K (old) IOTA for 1.1BTC
txid: 7962f0b788906083ce7d188e9c29b6ad7c892e5340bb71ae74ca967f0a747d08
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if there is a solution, which helps the iota-project and hopefully also the buyers to get back a bit i would be happy about it  but i would also understand, if not. it's our own fault to buy without escrow and it is more important to bring the project forward and to keep trust on to it! and what happens if child_harrold appears again and says he is willing to transfer the iota's after claiming it, but he don't do so? |
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Seccour (OP)
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June 20, 2016, 02:35:32 PM |
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So, when iotatoken and CfB are looking up the possible Scam of CH, what about other Scams that might have occured?
I know it´s wrong, but I also bought some IOTA without escrow, but not at CH.
I still believe I get my IOTAs, but what if not? After Start of Mainnet it´s too late.
So if you´re changing things before the Launch of Mainnet, you should implement all Sales that happened between ICO and Start of Mainnet. Not only CH´s.
It's not our role to be the police. It's quite extraordinary how people repeatedly manage to turn our altruism into some "THIS IS SOMETHING YOU OWE US" again and again, and it's really becoming annoying. You bought without escrow? Your fault. Not ours, we told you explicitly not to do so 100 times, which was echoed ad nauseam by the rest of the community. We don't have time to hunt down and freeze every single account that may have been involved in something shady, nor will we. It's not just as easy as "he said, she said" and then we can freeze the account. There might be legitimate reasons for why someone is AFK for a few weeks or months. Child_Harold is a unique case in that he was a known troll and liar, the fact that anyone even considered buying from him without escrow hurts my brain, but it seems he was a big seller, so easy to resolve. If you know of any other big scammer that scammed 10+ people, sure we might find time to look into it, but that is not our job. We got 100 tasks to be done before the imminent launch and babysitting people is not high on that priority list. Don't freeze any account and people will not even ask you. |
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banqueiro
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June 20, 2016, 03:00:48 PM |
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So, when iotatoken and CfB are looking up the possible Scam of CH, what about other Scams that might have occured?
I know it´s wrong, but I also bought some IOTA without escrow, but not at CH.
I still believe I get my IOTAs, but what if not? After Start of Mainnet it´s too late.
So if you´re changing things before the Launch of Mainnet, you should implement all Sales that happened between ICO and Start of Mainnet. Not only CH´s.
It's not our role to be the police. It's quite extraordinary how people repeatedly manage to turn our altruism into some "THIS IS SOMETHING YOU OWE US" again and again, and it's really becoming annoying. You bought without escrow? Your fault. Not ours, we told you explicitly not to do so 100 times, which was echoed ad nauseam by the rest of the community. We don't have time to hunt down and freeze every single account that may have been involved in something shady, nor will we. It's not just as easy as "he said, she said" and then we can freeze the account. There might be legitimate reasons for why someone is AFK for a few weeks or months. Child_Harold is a unique case in that he was a known troll and liar, the fact that anyone even considered buying from him without escrow hurts my brain, but it seems he was a big seller, so easy to resolve. If you know of any other big scammer that scammed 10+ people, sure we might find time to look into it, but that is not our job. We got 100 tasks to be done before the imminent launch and babysitting people is not high on that priority list. Let's all remember that this is a very sensitive situation, and far from being an easy task: How are the cases be fairly "judged"? What "clear and convincing proof" will be enough as evidence to convince "beyond a reasonable doubt" the right of the self-proclaimed buyers against the sellers (thus considered "scammers")? Of course, if it is possible to fix the situation without creating a bigger problem, that would be great. But what is being proposed creates the real risk that bad decisions will be taken that will worsen the community situation. Let's be cautious. In dubio pro reo is the basic notion that sometimes it is better not to act if to avoid enforcing unfair irreversible solutions: solutions taken for the sake of some may better not be taken if there is a clear risk that they can make the problem worse for all. I am totally favourble to help, as long as it will not jeopardise IOTA, the rest of the community or even the ones in charge of the decision, |
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Come-from-Beyond
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June 20, 2016, 03:08:48 PM |
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How are the cases be fairly "judged"? What "clear and convincing proof" will be enough as evidence to convince "beyond a reasonable doubt" the right of the self-proclaimed buyers against the sellers (thus considered "scammers")?
IMO, we should follow the spirit of Iota and use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine to solve the problem. I can create such oracle and you/someone will enter all available information. The oracle will give an answer on a simple question, we just need to agree on doing as the oracle says. |
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cryptoknightt
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June 21, 2016, 09:06:55 PM |
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Get your horse up to the gates. Official Greenlight Imminent!!
Do you know the gravity of the first successful Tangle ledger? Iota going great, holders claiming, transfers occuring. Your Iotas will be sent at launch when risk of rollback, etc are cleared.
It will easily be in the Top 10. Look at Lisk!, It will pale in comparison to Iota.
Do the math!!! 125G Iota per batch. (125,000,000,000 iota) or 44,972 for those learning new notations .85 BTC per Batch=================================================== OLD NEW PRICE 22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Skormie straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Wesgen straight-sale
46,000 NOW 127,858,426,000 1.50 BTC peer2peer360 Seccour
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC peer2peer360 straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC csdndownload straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC nextblast straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC CryptoMrM straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
120,000 NOW 333,543,720,000 2.80 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
90,000 NOW 250,157,790,000 2.10 BTC Nanuk straight-sale
218,602 NOW 607,611,035,662 5.10 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
180,000 NOW 500,315,580,000 4.20 BTC passtracker straight-sale
270,000 NOW 750,473,370,000 5.70 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC AlphaDet straight-sale
100,000 NOW 277,953,100,000 1.90 BTC Emperor of Man straight-sale
150,000 NOW 416,929,650,000 2.85 BTC Aragoon straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC Termie straight-sale
45,000 NOW 125,078,895,000 0.95 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
500,000 NOW 1,389,765,500,000 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
PRIVATE DEAL 28.5 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
NEW 750G IOTA 5 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
NEW 375G IOTA 2.55 BTC arjen01 straight-sale
NEW 500G IOTA 3.4 BTC bitcoinuserz straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC CryptKeeper straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC koYnsta straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 1.7 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA .8 BTC Bloomsy straight-sale
NEW 300G IOTA 2 BTC VanLan straight-sale
SPECIAL OFFER
BUY 4 BATCHES AND GET ONE FREE!!
Thanks for the business!!
You too, can still squeak in at the last moment and join us as an early adopter!!! Be Smart and ......
....BUY NOW!! bump |
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animalroam
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June 21, 2016, 09:42:22 PM |
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I still don't understand why people would exchange an amount of BTC they consider "important" without an escrow. Sure it makes it a little more difficult to complete the transaction, but would you want your BTC gone over going through the small difficulty?
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CarlGraph
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June 21, 2016, 11:52:26 PM |
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IMO, we should follow the spirit of Iota and use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine to solve the problem. I can create such oracle and you/someone will enter all available information. The oracle will give an answer on a simple question, we just need to agree on doing as the oracle says. cool, let's do that! |
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bitwhizz
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June 22, 2016, 08:22:02 AM |
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Has IOTA started trading?
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wizzardTim
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June 22, 2016, 09:02:36 AM |
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Has IOTA started trading?
In exchanges not yet, you can trade with other members though soon -> currently we are waiting for the GUI release - it will happen today. |
Behold the Tangle Mysteries! Dare to know It's truth.
- Excerpt from the IOTA Sacred Texts Vol. I
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bubbletea789
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June 22, 2016, 11:48:29 AM |
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please reply to my message. if you are legit, you will not be afraid to post your iota address publicly. with increased credibility I believe you can quickly sell your stocks away. Get your horse up to the gates. Official Greenlight Imminent!!
Do you know the gravity of the first successful Tangle ledger? Iota going great, holders claiming, transfers occuring. Your Iotas will be sent at launch when risk of rollback, etc are cleared.
It will easily be in the Top 10. Look at Lisk!, It will pale in comparison to Iota.
Do the math!!! 125G Iota per batch. (125,000,000,000 iota) or 44,972 for those learning new notations .85 BTC per Batch=================================================== OLD NEW PRICE 22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Skormie straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Wesgen straight-sale
46,000 NOW 127,858,426,000 1.50 BTC peer2peer360 Seccour
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC peer2peer360 straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC csdndownload straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC nextblast straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC CryptoMrM straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
120,000 NOW 333,543,720,000 2.80 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
90,000 NOW 250,157,790,000 2.10 BTC Nanuk straight-sale
218,602 NOW 607,611,035,662 5.10 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
180,000 NOW 500,315,580,000 4.20 BTC passtracker straight-sale
270,000 NOW 750,473,370,000 5.70 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC AlphaDet straight-sale
100,000 NOW 277,953,100,000 1.90 BTC Emperor of Man straight-sale
150,000 NOW 416,929,650,000 2.85 BTC Aragoon straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC Termie straight-sale
45,000 NOW 125,078,895,000 0.95 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
500,000 NOW 1,389,765,500,000 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
PRIVATE DEAL 28.5 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
NEW 750G IOTA 5 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
NEW 375G IOTA 2.55 BTC arjen01 straight-sale
NEW 500G IOTA 3.4 BTC bitcoinuserz straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC CryptKeeper straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC koYnsta straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 1.7 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA .8 BTC Bloomsy straight-sale
NEW 300G IOTA 2 BTC VanLan straight-sale
SPECIAL OFFER
BUY 4 BATCHES AND GET ONE FREE!!
Thanks for the business!!
You too, can still squeak in at the last moment and join us as an early adopter!!! Be Smart and ......
....BUY NOW!! bump |
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June 22, 2016, 02:48:35 PM |
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My up to date sale amounts:
111,181,240,000.00 @ 1 btc cc001
333,543,720,000.00 @ 3btc schnib
222,362,480,000.00 @ 2btc Metaphilibert
111,181,240,000.00 @ 1 btc Yeash20
333,543,720,000.00 @ 3 btc arjen01
166,771,860,000.00 @ 1.5btc MoneyTeam
11,118,124,000.00 @ 0.1btc tk88one
138,976,550,000.00 @ 1.25 btc proto
22,236,248,000.00 @ 0.2 btc adam9910
222,362,480,000.00 @ 2 btc Dexter12
8,894,499,200,000.00 @ 80 Btc bigiotabig
55,590,620,000.00 @ 0.5 Btc Torn
111,181,240,000.00 @ 1 btc zzzman20
111,181,240,000.00 @ 1 btc transpotime21bus
22,236,248,000 @ 0.2 btc adam9910
333,543,720,000.00 @ 3 btc ramsroyal
222,362,480,000.00 @ 2 btc mr001
113,960,771,000 @ 1.025 btc braelis
544,788,076,000 @ 4.9 btc [anon]
55,590,620,000 @ 0.5 btc SupZ
200G @ 2 btc hasseklas
240g. @ 2btc. Olloman
Still selling 3,760G IOTA for sale at a rate of 1 BTC == 120G IOTA.
As a well known, respected and trustworthy community member, please use me for all your last minute buying needs!
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