[XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion

[Edward Snowden]

John deleted the official vcash forum and now redirects to a different, old forum.

This reminds me of the equinox dev some time ago:




And to the guy who is the moderator of the unofficial, moderated xvc thread: When will you finally stop deleting posts in the thread, when will you be man enough to face the truth that John dumped and when will you wake up. You're not better than John by covering his back.

Are you that naive?  Do you not know that is Emilio Mann using a domain name registered to John Connor?

Emilio ? Hmm.. I wasn't aware he was actually moderating the thread, I thought he is/was a clever guy.. Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

There are 4 people with the password moderating that thread.
I never deleted a post from you.

EMILIO is JHON ?

Nope
I am your father

via Imgflip Meme Generator

[iCEBREAKER]

the "mods" still delete in the original Thread...

Aren't they cute, acting like they have dev talent sufficient to replace John Conman?

Isn't it adorable how they can't figure out how to have their "community takeover" cake and eat it too, because the Vcash name is toxic and its codebase is compromised?

After defending John's code theft, etc. now they all suddenly conveniently realize he was a actually a liability all along...

 I can't wait for BadTrash.sx to launch his Definitely Not Vcash ICO.   

And Icebreaker, yes I admit I lost a few btc on XVC, but I still hold a little just in case.
I will not change my opinion on the coin and code being good, fast, scaleable, and would make a great
currency for immediate transactions, which is what bitcoin sorely needs.
I will admit, and always have, that John Connors personality (or if a group their personalities) was the only
problem and thing hindering the coin. John went out of his way to make enemies instead of friends, was a
poor communicator, etc. While I think most community take overs or new devs usually don't work out,
if Vcash gets a new good dev that can understand and use the code and further develop it, as well as being
a nice guy and smart enough to get people for marketing and PR, then Vcash could have a good future, but
that is a lot of ifs. Getting rid of Johns toxic behavior may be the best thing for Vcash in the long run.

IOW, you've learned nothing from the Vtrash debacle.

Le Sigh.

Funny how you didn't make your problem with John Conner explicit until it was safe, moot water under the bridge to do so.

The delusional Vtrash community takeover people right now:

[jimlite]

EVERYONE knew John Connors personality was an issue. It was no secret, and I'm not defending and never did defend his personal traits. I've always said the guy puts out top code but thinks he is Einstein or Steve Jobs. Meaning "Hey I'm a genius coder and the best so I can be an @sshole to everyone like they were."  Well in crypto or any business, you need to have some social skills and be nice to at least the right people at the right time, and he obviously can't do that.

[iCEBREAKER]

EVERYONE knew John Connors personality was an issue. It was no secret, and I'm not defending and never did defend his personal traits. I've always said the guy puts out top code but thinks he is Einstein or Steve Jobs. Meaning "Hey I'm a genius coder and the best so I can be an @sshole to everyone like they were."  Well in crypto or any business, you need to have some social skills and be nice to at least the right people at the right time, and he obviously can't do that.

GMAX/Smooth/Fluffypony never made a big deal out of his "personality."

The issue was always his theft of Bitcoin code.

But I understand why you want to change the topic to irrelevant things you never defended, after you carried so much water for him before.

Icebreaker and Smooth, you guys really need to get over this John stole bitcoin code nonsense. I suppose you think Elon Musk stole Henry Fords formula when he decided to put tires on his Tesla car. John has already stated that there are some lines of code similiar to peercoin for compatibility and not re-inventing the wheel. Vcash is written from scratch and has almost no resemblance to bitcoin and a little resemblance to peercoin's most basic features. John also said he would credit Sonny King if Sonny wants him to. Hell he probably would even credit Satoshi Nakamoto for shits and giggles IF Satoshi asked him to. But so far he says Nick Szabo nor Sonny King has asked

Notice how this discussion isn't about JC's personality?

And neither is this one.

So if John said his code was 99% from scratch and 1% was used from btc/ppc code to maintain backwards compatibility, would that make you happy? From scratch doesn't necessarily mean 100%. When you bake a cake from scratch you don't lay the eggs yourself. I agree with Wolf, you need to get over this little sticking point. No one that owns Vcash or may own Vcash in the future cares if it is 98, 99, or 100% original code.  No one cares if John used 1% of the same code from btc or ppc that 99% of other dev's use 90% of that code. Bottom line is he used FAR, FAR less and it is fine. Now I see your point if you want to be a stickler about whether he should or should not need to acknowledge either btc or ppc legally. But to me and most people what he did is not illegal, and even if it borders on unethical or illegal or he should do it. All I can say is when the speed limit is 55mph and you drive 56mph you did something illegal. When your kid has 10,000 songs on his ipod/iphone, he did something illegal. When you watch Game of Thrones on the internet without acknowleging and paying HBO, you did something illegal. When you surf porn, like 90% of the population, you probably run across something accidentaliy that is illegal for you to view without paying the producer somehow. There are all sorts of very slightly unethical or illegal stuff that everyone on the planet does, and no one gives a fuck. I guarantee you that both Smooth and Icebreaker have done one to all of the things mentioned above. So stop being the crypto cops, riaa, mpaa, etc. It is not your job, no one cares, and go do something useful like working on your coin.  And I'm the first one to say I don't agree with everything John is and does.  Sure he most likely has a genius level IQ (as do I), he sure as hell can code and knows a lot about p2p, crypto, mining, hardware, fpga, and coding in multiple languages on multiple devices, as well as creating one hell of a good coin. But he is arrogant, stubborn, makes up his own theories and realities sometimes, bans a lot of good people from twitter, hasn't doxed himself or promoted his project yet. He thinks that it is 2009 and Vcash is as important as BTC, he thinks he needs to be anonymous like Satoshi. This ISN'T 2009. To be successful in 2016 you need a credible face behind your project and promotion. No one in Vcash cares about your little "he stole a few lines of code and didn't acknowledge it" bullshit. What we care about is that he starts doing what any successful coin's creator or CEO does. Meaning tell us who the fuck you are, what all the great projects and code you have created over the last 20 years are, and start marketing/promoting your coin and getting the world to use it.  Smooth, you don't even know who Connor is. If he came out and was someone you respected, I bet you would be buying up Vcash. That is all.

How's that not caring about stolen code working for you?

Where is your deflection now, chump?   

#REKT

[jimlite]

I did say this as quoted, "But he is arrogant, stubborn, makes up his own theories and realities sometimes, bans a lot of good people from twitter, hasn't doxed himself or promoted his project yet."

SO I was concerned about his character. And to be honest it still doesn't bother me that he copied a few lines of code, it happens all the time. Why re-write DirectX or OpenGl? Game devs use it all the time. Now I agree his CHARACTER of not attributing that or admitting it is the problem. But still I say this all has nothing to do with the code it has everything to do with the man's honesty, character, and psych issues.

[YourMother]

Looks like John Connor of Vanillacoin/Vcash/XVC got finally exposed. (thanks to "thelion07). The scammer's name is Julian Cain, although some are not 100% sure.


Now, to expose this scumbag even further:

1 - His twitter page does not exist anymore:




2 - Not only that, but his linkedin page was also closed.






3 - Fortunately, i have managed to get some info from his Twitter and found out this (from 2009):




He was tweeting/retweeting about drugs  






4 - Now let's head over to Slack: (This conversation is from 10th of August 2016)

This is just a small sample, but trust me, this guy knows his drug shit better than the p2p protocols he's worked on.





5 - Now, even more data:









6 - Additionally, some articles from the internet with our friend JC (Julian Cain, John Connor)


http://bit.ly/2g0C4J0
http://bit.ly/2g8YzyJ
http://bit.ly/2gE0onE
http://bit.ly/2gRbYcS
http://bit.ly/2gRbYcS


Received this from user "newfnd"






It's HIM




The scumbag is done!

"Thank you for your support  "

[mistercashking]

damn what a shame. I liked vcash.

[iamnotback]

It is unfortunate that an apparently expert enough coder in his prime productive age of 30s has pissed away his talent because of drugs and the effect that has had on his ability to integrate with society.

I would attribute all of his failure to the use of drugs. This probably causes his social paranoia and poor choices.

[smooth]

to be honest it still doesn't bother me that he copied a few lines of code

It was never a few line of code. There were (multiple) entire significant modules that were identified as refactored (i.e. copied and reformatted). This does not mean that other parts were not also copied, it just means that no one went to trouble to compare and identify all of the copied code. Why should we do his work for him? It is his job to cite the copied portions, no matter how much or how many, not hide them.

Why re-write DirectX or OpenGl? Game devs use it all the time.

That's because the licenses allow it and if you look in the copyright notices for just about any game you will see the required attributions and license notices for the redistributable code. Game devs who use redistributable components don't claim to be geniuses who implemented them from scratch.

Now I agree his CHARACTER of not attributing that or admitting it is the problem. But still I say this all has nothing to do with the code it has everything to do with the man's honesty, character, and psych issues.

I actually don't care about his personal problems and I actually wish people would leave him (or other people with personal challenges who pop up here from time to time) alone about it. There is a sadistic streak on this forum that comes out where certain people want to "beat up the special kids" whenever they can. It isn't admirable.

Whatever challenges john-conner faces I hope he gets the help he needs and/or otherwise manages to reach some state of happiness and peace in his life.

[iamnotback]

I actually don't care about his personal problems and I actually wish people would leave him (or other people with personal challenges who pop up here from time to time) alone about it. There is a sadistic streak on this forum that comes out where certain people want to "beat up the special kids" whenever they can. It isn't admirable.

Whatever challenges john-conner faces I hope he gets the help he needs and/or otherwise manages to reach some state of happiness and peace in his life.

But he ripped people off. Why shouldn't they be a little bit pissed off?

He was ostensibly using the money from our altcoin ecosystem to ply his drug habit.

I care. I have observed drugs ravage my family.

It bothers me that we are legalizing pot in the USA. And that the culture in the West condones smoking pot even amongst teenagers, as if it is no big deal.

I also wish he will find his happiness, but not at the expense of lying and misleading others to feed his problems.

I hope he can use his talents in a constructive way. He is at critical juncture nearly 40. My 40s were wasted on turmoil. I very much doubt he will receive the wake up call, but I hope he does of course.

I am not judging because what ever he wants to do is his own business. But if he rips off the public, it is our and the SEC's business. And I can also relate how I wasted my 40s and hope he doesn't.

It is much harder to code in the 50s (well I don't know what it would be like if I wasn't chronically ill, but still seems it gets much more difficult). If he only realized how little time he has remaining on the peak production of his career.

What I am saying from experience is that once you slide a little ways into forsaking ethics, the abyss awaits you because it is a slippery slope. I almost received the wake up call too late. Almost. And I am really struggling to climb out of a hole. He may not realize how his life can spin out-of-control if he doesn't arrest that pattern.

(as you know, I have been on the receiving end of that sadistic ridicule. But didn't I ask for it. Albeit my illness caused me to be in the situation where I would post more than code)

[Rols]

I started to mine the vanillacoin from the beginning. It just took me a few weeks to understand that something fishy was going on. I stoped mining and just watched.
One of the problem with john-connor was that he always wanted to be right. Nobody was so talented as him except a few. He even started a fight with bitcoin developer.
He had a too big ego. Then his fanboys started to be really rude to ppl that asked questions about the code and other things. Normally there are a level that nobody passes but his fans did go beyond that. They called him satoshi nakamoto and more.

He was stealing code and did not credit ppl that he took it from. He seams to have a lot of drug and other problems in his life. He cheated ppl.

I wonder. He must have had a dream when he started this coin. If he have credited the original developers. If he have keept his acting clean where could this coin have gone? He was better than many of the devs in the altcoins jungle. He did not understand some things but he could put together other ppl codes. There were a lot of forks and other problems but I still think he was not planning to con ppl. He was stupid and had a too big ego and his fanboys should also be ashamed for what they were doing. He wanted to get a lot of money out from this and he got some.

There are flaws in the coin but he did put a lot of effort into it. Its sad how all this turned out. I dont give a shit about his fights with other coin devs. They all say they have the best coins. 

If he could get some guts and come back I think it would be good for him. I dont think his personal life should drag him down and that he has pissed of some ppl. There are already a lot of crazy ppl in the crypto world. Funding are a problem but just abandon it is wrong to his investors. His coin needs a lot of improvments.

[Jumanji7]

So JC has been doxed. Now it`s time to dox asshole smooth!

[iamnotback]

So JC has been doxed. Now it`s time to dox asshole smooth!

....

I doubt you will be able to doxx @smooth. He is too astute.

Lol, I know I am really far removed from modern culture in that I didn't even realize that smooth's avatar is from the movie The Big Lebowski.

The anonymous gang around smooth ... if their real motives surface

I don't believe that. Smooth has helped many people on this forum and he even defended JC:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1441959.msg17086298#msg17086298

What smooth didn't like was that JC was making claims of being a supreme expert and that all his code was original and yet he was actually using code from Bitcoin and his algorithms and whitepapers were lacking. (I am not defending iCEBREAKER who tends to be too political and hyper-critical of any coin he is not invested in)

JC is apparently a reasonably talented P2P (Bittorrent) dev (as I had long since publicly speculated that he was) and perhaps could be a great team member on a coin if his attitude improved (didn't he do good work in the past in Bittorrent group development?), but he is not capable of creating any significant breakthroughs for our ecosystem by himself (as  evident by the half-ass shit Zerotime and anonymity he produced). You shills can go on and on about "break it if you can", but it doesn't change the fact that we are collection of experts and we know what the fuck we are talking about. And you don't! So STFU or go on babbling your ignorance, your choice.

JC mislead speculators. Period. And for that he is receiving some animosity.

If he wants to come back, be non-anonymous subject to public scrutiny and improve his ethics (and cut out the drugs!), then maybe the community will give him another chance. But he needs to build a team of devs. One man shows are impossible. This stuff is way too complex and too much work for a one man development team.

I am not saying that he never had an original design idea. Apparently he made many tweaks which resulted in some better performance and compression characteristics. But those aren't apparently game changers. I know you Vcash supporters think they are, but I have a surprise coming for you.

Smooth et al stopped policing the altcoin discussion forums. They let JC destroy himself. You n00b speculators are so easily fooled, because you don't think clearly. You believe any technobabble that is thrown your direction. Or maybe you don't care, as long as you can fool some other n00bs. And this always backfires in the end. Only correct effort and honesty workout in the long-run. Ethics matter a lot for success. Those who cut corners end up failing. So don't blame your failure on smooth.

[Divorcion]

So finally this is a proved scam, one more in the list, was too busy to follow the recent developments but it looks ugly.

[BitPotus]

I wish TPTB needs war/iamnot back or whatever alter ego he is using would stfu already and get on with his fucking coin.

There are plenty of people who are just itching to throw BTC at you(me included) but quite frankly you are as bad as JC with all your rants.

Just do it already mate.

[TrueAnon]

EXCELLENT work, xvc always smelled fishy and main reason I barely touched or held was due to dev, glad he is busted and this coin is now in gutter.  But I feel sorry for many big holders as this "looked" like legit thing.

I ask again ppl PLEASE stick to a winner like WBB project!!!

[smooth]

I actually don't care about his personal problems and I actually wish people would leave him (or other people with personal challenges who pop up here from time to time) alone about it. There is a sadistic streak on this forum that comes out where certain people want to "beat up the special kids" whenever they can. It isn't admirable.

Whatever challenges john-conner faces I hope he gets the help he needs and/or otherwise manages to reach some state of happiness and peace in his life.

But he ripped people off. Why shouldn't they be a little bit pissed off?

Ripping people off, yes. That's something I care about, and why I was letting people know about the fake development (copied refactored code). It was a huge red flag. People who listened (not only to me but to the many other knowledgable members who said the same thing) got what they deserved (they got to keep their money) and people who didn't, well they also got what they deserved.

He was ostensibly using the money from our altcoin ecosystem to ply his drug habit.

Whatever the reason, the result is the same, and there is no shortage of reasons. There have certainly been people who have ripped off the altcoin ecosystem for personal enrichment rather than a drug habit. The ecosystem is equally ripped off either way.

[iamnotback]

BitPotus,

Guys, it seems people are getting kicked out from current vcash community, including myself. So i created this new one for everyone to join. If you can't join using the link, just send me your e-mail by private message and i will send an invite!

http://slack.vcrash.info/

Maybe you are an upstanding individual, but how can you overcome the fact that your community is composed of mafia who threaten to steal and hack into the computers of other developers?

I'll love to see your face when someone else gets the merits and the $$$ of your bitcoin killer. Watch out your computers kid... You're not as smart as you think.  

Your leader John Conner has established a culture of theft, lying, and technical incompetence.

Nobody truly capable (of significant game changing direction) is ever going to work on the source code that is Vcrash, because it was born of theft and will remain tainted forever.

And BTW, if anyone is thinking about hacking into my computer to steal my designs before I publish them open source, then you will be reported to the FBI. And you will never get the support of the speculators nor community, because the investors know that the copycoins do not have the leadership that the original inventor provides. The design itself is not enough, as you actually must have all the information that is not written in the white paper, including knowing how to do mass marketing (which you can't steal from my whitepaper nor from my brain because it is my talent).

Stealing doesn't work. It is failure. And Vtrash will always be a failure because it is born of and has a permanent entrenched culture of theft.

These failureturds blame their problems on @smooth, who was even trying to be nice and wishing the best for JC. When I try to explain that to them, they attack me creating sockpuppet account with an abusive name calling.

The community acts like spoiled brat, teenage retards. Acting like the boys who threw spitballs in class in elementary school. How can you build anything serious from a community like that?


We need honest and upstanding competition. This means to be ethical, professional, and compete honestly. May the best technology, with the best marketing, and the most inspired teams win. Open source. Respect for intellectual honesty and hard work. Respect for contributors and attempting to inspire the best-of-the-best to join the ecosystem. All this sleazy scams, mafia style, drug infested, nonsense should be ignored by upstanding, mature members of our altcoin speculator and investor community.


Our altcoin communities need to grow up. Be professional. And stop acting like pimple-faced, teenage boys.

I have nothing more to say to your community. I hope you disassociate yourself from this sleaze. Stop feeding the trolls. We have real work to do in the altcoin space. No more time for this nonsense!


No seriously and sufficiently talented group of developers are going to associate themselves with this project. There aren't that many truly capable developers in the altcoin arena. None of them are going to be inspired to work on a project that has this sleazy history. Period. You are wasting your time and effort.

0 lines of code

You Vcrash shills are so into accuracy:

https://github.com/shelby3
https://githubcontributions.io/user/shelby3/events/1

And that doesn't include my private repositories which you can't see yet Julian.

Your community of liars and spin-masters is so inaccurate:

What's funny is that this Shelby guy uses most of his time to trash xvc

I haven't written anything about Vtrash for months. I wrote a few posts in past 24 hours because of the recent news.

You guys don't debate with intellectual honesty, nor mutual respect. Go read my recent posts. None of them were abusive, nor inaccurate hyperbole.

Your community only knows how to create fights. Every Vtrash thread is full of this intellectually dishonest crap from your sleazy community members.

[Lord Of The Internet]

oh no!  john conner smoked pot?   yes, that explains everything 


@iamnotblack
If you think pot should be illegal, you need to spend a few moments and educate yourself.  Try to get at least a tiny amount of knowledge on the "dangers" of using pot regularly.  And then get a tiny amount of knowledge on the dangers of McDonald's fast food and tobacco.     Do you now think that fast food and tobacco should be illegal?  Should people who smoke tobacco and eat fast food get arrested?  The correct answer is NO.  You see, there's this little thing called personal freedom that many people, unlike yourself, value and respect. 

Also, please spend a few moments educating yourself on prohibition and all the negative effects it has had on society.  Do a little bonus research on how well prohibition worked out with alcohol.


cryptocurrency, to me and a hell of a lot of other people, is about personal freedom and personal privacy.  if you don't care about those things, why did you ever get involved?

[Zer0Sum]

oh no!  john conner smoked pot?   yes, that explains everything 


@iamnotblack
If you think pot should be illegal, you need to spend a few moments and educate yourself.  Try to get at least a tiny amount of knowledge on the "dangers" of using pot regularly.  And then get a tiny amount of knowledge on the dangers of McDonald's fast food and tobacco.     Do you now think that fast food and tobacco should be illegal?  Should people who smoke tobacco and eat fast food get arrested?  The correct answer is NO.  You see, there's this little thing called personal freedom that many people, unlike yourself, value and respect. 

Also, please spend a few moments educating yourself on prohibition and all the negative effects it has had on society.  Do a little bonus research on how well prohibition worked out with alcohol.


cryptocurrency, to me and a hell of a lot of other people, is about personal freedom and personal privacy.  if you don't care about those things, why did you ever get involved?

One fine day...
You will get a letter informing you that the surgeon that performed your lobotomy smoked pot.