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September 25, 2018, 01:22:02 PM Last edit: September 25, 2018, 02:08:43 PM by WildShark |
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@Korvas128 Of which of these points do you or the ionomy cult see the proposal as a negative? This is a path that encourages ION members to "HOLD" current ionomy assets instead of investing in "worthless" tokens...
Asking me for feedback, are you serious ? As far as I'm aware XDM is the first it's kind and you've written if off already XDM = SOV + Token generation = innovation with utility... nice I'm still not clear how the creation of massive number of "worthless" tokens and transactions are innovation for the ION blockchain I see it as burden being added on to a well established ionomy ecosystem. If XDM tokens are so great, why does it not run from it's own blockchain for the decaying life of their project
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korvas128
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September 25, 2018, 02:56:33 PM |
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@Korvas128 Of which of these points do you or the ionomy cult see the proposal as a negative? This is a path that encourages ION members to "HOLD" current ionomy assets instead of investing in "worthless" tokens...
Asking me for feedback, are you serious ? As far as I'm aware XDM is the first it's kind and you've written if off already XDM = SOV + Token generation = innovation with utility... nice I'm still not clear how the creation of massive number of "worthless" tokens and transactions are innovation for the ION blockchain I see it as burden being added on to a well established ionomy ecosystem. If XDM tokens are so great, why does it not run from it's own blockchain for the decaying life of their project Massive... I don't think so Tiny would be a better word to use. XDM total supply 71,000 BTC total supply 21,000,000 ION total supply 55,000,000 How much of a burden do you think XDM will have on the network Not as much as you think if you think 71k is a massive amount..... XDM doesn't need it's own blockchain I suggest you read the whitepaper, it's a long read but worth it as it does a really good job scoping out the opportunity. https://www.darkmatter.info/#white-paper
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WildShark
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September 25, 2018, 03:53:10 PM Last edit: September 25, 2018, 09:46:26 PM by WildShark |
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@Korvas128 Of which of these points do you or the ionomy cult see the proposal as a negative? This is a path that encourages ION members to "HOLD" current ionomy assets instead of investing in "worthless" tokens...
Asking me for feedback, are you serious ? As far as I'm aware XDM is the first it's kind and you've written if off already XDM = SOV + Token generation = innovation with utility... nice I'm still not clear how the creation of massive number of "worthless" tokens and transactions are innovation for the ION blockchain I see it as burden being added on to a well established ionomy ecosystem. If XDM tokens are so great, why does it not run from it's own blockchain for the decaying life of their project Massive... I don't think so Tiny would be a better word to use. What does the big "CREATE" button do? CREATE MASSIVE amount of "worthless" tokens ION Masternodes + ION Staking Wallets + Gamernodes (smart ION Node) = Good ionomy INNOVATION on ION Blockchain
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korvas128
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September 26, 2018, 09:34:27 AM Last edit: September 26, 2018, 09:49:03 AM by korvas128 |
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@Korvas128 Of which of these points do you or the ionomy cult see the proposal as a negative? This is a path that encourages ION members to "HOLD" current ionomy assets instead of investing in "worthless" tokens...
Asking me for feedback, are you serious ? As far as I'm aware XDM is the first it's kind and you've written if off already XDM = SOV + Token generation = innovation with utility... nice I'm still not clear how the creation of massive number of "worthless" tokens and transactions are innovation for the ION blockchain I see it as burden being added on to a well established ionomy ecosystem. If XDM tokens are so great, why does it not run from it's own blockchain for the decaying life of their project Massive... I don't think so Tiny would be a better word to use. What does the big "CREATE" button do? CREATE MASSIVE amount of "worthless" tokens ION Masternodes + ION Staking Wallets + Gamernodes (smart ION Node) = Good ionomy INNOVATION on ION BlockchainYep if you or I clicked the big create token button our token would be like many ERC20 tokens.... worthless. If 1,10,100 or 1,000 game developers created a token to integrate into a game that's a different story.....
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WildShark
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September 26, 2018, 11:58:35 AM Last edit: September 26, 2018, 12:58:12 PM by WildShark |
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@Korvas128 Of which of these points do you or the ionomy cult see the proposal as a negative? This is a path that encourages ION members to "HOLD" current ionomy assets instead of investing in "worthless" tokens...
Asking me for feedback, are you serious ? As far as I'm aware XDM is the first it's kind and you've written if off already XDM = SOV + Token generation = innovation with utility... nice I'm still not clear how the creation of massive number of "worthless" tokens and transactions are innovation for the ION blockchain I see it as burden being added on to a well established ionomy ecosystem. If XDM tokens are so great, why does it not run from it's own blockchain for the decaying life of their project Massive... I don't think so Tiny would be a better word to use. What does the big "CREATE" button do? CREATE MASSIVE amount of "worthless" tokens ION Masternodes + ION Staking Wallets + Gamernodes (smart ION Node) =Good ionomy INNOVATION on ION BlockchainYep if you or I clicked the big create token button our token would be like many ERC20 tokens.... worthless. If 1,10,100 or 1,000 game developers created a token to integrate into a game that's a different story..... You just confirmed that any user can bloat the ION Blockchain with "worthless" tokens for the life of the project.. I see it as burden being added on to a well established ionomy ecosystem. If XDM tokens are so great, why does it not run from it's own blockchain for the decaying life of their project An improved ION proposal is available to read at: https://ion.community/topic/2787/ion-improvement-proposal-wildonion-node-responsibilityVoice your opinion to the illegal ionomy Kangaroo Court to have this ionomy proposal voted on!
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korvas128
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September 26, 2018, 04:05:41 PM |
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ionomy Email News: The Ionomy LTD exchange will add more tokens on the ION blockchain including Dark Matter (XDM), ATOMs, Offroad Heat (HEAT), and other gaming tokens. Going forward, the community will vote to select which other assets will be added to the Ionomy LTD exchange.
@Korvas128 I'm guessing the "Create" button is going away and the ION & ionomy COMMUNITIES will vote on ionomy assets!
The image you took was from the HTML5 wallet What your referring too is the start of the v3.0 inonomy platform announcements https://news.ionomy.com/multi-asset-exchange-ionomy-platform-3-0-is-coming/The first is if your a developer and want to create a token for your game, the second is if the community what the platform to support a new asset i.e. stellar My guess is it's one thing creating a token it's another thing getting that token listed on the platform.
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WildShark
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September 26, 2018, 04:15:02 PM Last edit: September 27, 2018, 12:55:36 PM by WildShark |
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I have been involved as a Masternode investor since day 1. The increase in value to the ION coin has come from growth as a reliable wallet that produces sizable daily payout. I have never had any faith in the "gaming" side of this project. My push to gain value in the coin by adding useful smart ION Node functionality.
In the ION wallet community, I don't think he has the support there and injecting more assets and new token wallet into ionomy ecosystem does not increase value of ION
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WildShark
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September 27, 2018, 01:03:34 PM Last edit: September 27, 2018, 01:16:49 PM by WildShark |
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What your referring too is the start of the v3.0 inonomy platform announcements ... My guess is it's one thing creating a token it's another thing getting that token listed on the platform.
Shouldn't it be version Ionomy LTD 4.0 Website? I thought the security upgrade was 3.0 done at the beginning of this year
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korvas128
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September 27, 2018, 01:40:07 PM |
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What your referring too is the start of the v3.0 inonomy platform announcements ... My guess is it's one thing creating a token it's another thing getting that token listed on the platform.
Shouldn't it be version Ionomy LTD 4.0 Website? I thought the security upgrade was 3.0 done at the beginning of this year Good memory.....Nope all part of the new platform. The security updates were done in anticipation of this new platform
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WildShark
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September 27, 2018, 05:00:24 PM |
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What your referring too is the start of the v3.0 inonomy platform announcements ... My guess is it's one thing creating a token it's another thing getting that token listed on the platform.
Shouldn't it be version Ionomy LTD 4.0 Website? I thought the security upgrade was 3.0 done at the beginning of this year Good memory.....Nope all part of the new platform. The security updates were done in anticipation of this new platform You got to be pulling my leg... They called the January website "security" upgrade 3.0 I'd buy that they have been "testing" the site upgrade for over 9 months!!! and give it a 3.1 designation... or 4.0 for NEW Ionomy PWR-GRD Token EXCHANGE - Ionomy LTD's effort to expand business
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korvas128
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September 27, 2018, 06:35:42 PM |
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What your referring too is the start of the v3.0 inonomy platform announcements ... My guess is it's one thing creating a token it's another thing getting that token listed on the platform.
Shouldn't it be version Ionomy LTD 4.0 Website? I thought the security upgrade was 3.0 done at the beginning of this year Good memory.....Nope all part of the new platform. The security updates were done in anticipation of this new platform You got to be pulling my leg... They called the January website "security" upgrade 3.0 I'd buy that they have been "testing" the site upgrade for over 9 months!!! and give it a 3.1 designation... or 4.0 for NEW Ionomy PWR-GRD Token EXCHANGE - Ionomy LTD's effort to expand business Stop trying to trip me up Read the announcement in Jan https://news.ionomy.com/maintenance-completed/ Security Upgrade 3.0 for Ionomy platform 3.0
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WildShark
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September 28, 2018, 02:16:39 PM Last edit: September 28, 2018, 03:18:38 PM by WildShark |
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ionomy Email News:
"Version 3 offers options for masternode hosting, including multi-asset support, as well as onsite and remote hosting options."
The Ionomy LTD exchange will add more tokens on the ION blockchain including Dark Matter (XDM), ATOMs, Offroad Heat (HEAT), and other gaming tokens. Going forward, the community will vote to select which other assets will be added to the Ionomy LTD exchange.
I'm guessing the "Create" button is going away and the ION & ionomy COMMUNITIES will vote on ionomy assets!
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korvas128
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September 28, 2018, 06:18:18 PM |
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ionomy Email News:
"Version 3 offers options for masternode hosting, including multi-asset support, as well as onsite and remote hosting options."
The Ionomy LTD exchange will add more tokens on the ION blockchain including Dark Matter (XDM), ATOMs, Offroad Heat (HEAT), and other gaming tokens. Going forward, the community will vote to select which other assets will be added to the Ionomy LTD exchange.
I'm guessing the "Create" button is going away and the ION & ionomy COMMUNITIES will vote on ionomy assets!
The create button you refer too is part of the new HTML wallet which when compared to today's QT wallets is a much improved solution. In fact the wallet looks like a real slick piece of software so I wouldn't be surprised if other coin devs adopt it. I don't know if the plan is allow for token generation on the new platform,I'd be surprised if it is.
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WildShark
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September 29, 2018, 11:27:36 AM Last edit: September 29, 2018, 12:18:56 PM by WildShark |
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@Korvas128 Of which of these points do you or the ionomy cult see the proposal as a negative? This is a path that encourages ION members to "HOLD" current ionomy assets instead of investing in "worthless" tokens...
Asking me for feedback, are you serious ? As far as I'm aware XDM is the first it's kind and you've written if off already XDM = SOV + Token generation = innovation with utility... nice I'm still not clear how the creation of massive number of "worthless" tokens and transactions are innovation for the ION blockchain I see it as burden being added on to a well established ionomy ecosystem. If XDM tokens are so great, why does it not run from it's own blockchain for the decaying life of their project Massive... I don't think so Tiny would be a better word to use. What does the big "CREATE" button do? CREATE MASSIVE amount of "worthless" tokens ION Masternodes + ION Staking Wallets + Gamernodes (smart ION Node) =Good ionomy INNOVATION on ION Blockchain
[/size] Yep if you or I clicked the big create token button our token would be like many ERC20 tokens.... worthless. If 1,10,100 or 1,000 game developers created a token to integrate into a game that's a different story..... I'm still missing the reason/motivation for the ionomy community to create these "worthless" tokens. What value/use do these tokens have in the ionomy ecosystem? How does the token gain any value when purchasing with XDM asset that was "air dropped" for FREE
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korvas128
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September 29, 2018, 01:17:42 PM |
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@Korvas128 Of which of these points do you or the ionomy cult see the proposal as a negative? This is a path that encourages ION members to "HOLD" current ionomy assets instead of investing in "worthless" tokens...
Asking me for feedback, are you serious ? As far as I'm aware XDM is the first it's kind and you've written if off already XDM = SOV + Token generation = innovation with utility... nice I'm still not clear how the creation of massive number of "worthless" tokens and transactions are innovation for the ION blockchain I see it as burden being added on to a well established ionomy ecosystem. If XDM tokens are so great, why does it not run from it's own blockchain for the decaying life of their project Massive... I don't think so Tiny would be a better word to use. What does the big "CREATE" button do? CREATE MASSIVE amount of "worthless" tokens ION Masternodes + ION Staking Wallets + Gamernodes (smart ION Node) =Good ionomy INNOVATION on ION Blockchain
[/size] Yep if you or I clicked the big create token button our token would be like many ERC20 tokens.... worthless. If 1,10,100 or 1,000 game developers created a token to integrate into a game that's a different story..... I'm still missing the reason/motivation for the ionomy community to create these "worthless" tokens. What value/use do these tokens have in the ionomy ecosystem? How does the token gain any value when purchasing with XDM asset that was "air dropped" for FREE It's not free The bulk of the airdrop will be to ION and ATOM holders who bought those assets , I know people that have been stocking up on ION and ATOMS in anticipation. The only free element is a planned promotion to air drop some XDM to non ION/ATOM holders, it's an incentive for them to checkout Ionomy 3.0. What's the reasoning behind your rational ? If you think XDM is worthless share your thoughts on why it's worthless. Also if you truly think it will be valueless why don't you do create tokens at 1 XDM an asset. Name them 'Sharkie' 'Wild'..... Your tokens will be worthless as you inject no value into them but at least you'll be doing everyone a favour by burning up your XDM supply so adding some deflationary pressure
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WildShark
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September 29, 2018, 05:42:30 PM Last edit: September 29, 2018, 06:28:14 PM by WildShark |
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@Korvas128 Of which of these points do you or the ionomy cult see the proposal as a negative? This is a path that encourages ION members to "HOLD" current ionomy assets instead of investing in "worthless" tokens...
Asking me for feedback, are you serious ? As far as I'm aware XDM is the first it's kind and you've written if off already XDM = SOV + Token generation = innovation with utility... nice I'm still not clear how the creation of massive number of "worthless" tokens and transactions are innovation for the ION blockchain I see it as burden being added on to a well established ionomy ecosystem. If XDM tokens are so great, why does it not run from it's own blockchain for the decaying life of their project Massive... I don't think so Tiny would be a better word to use. What does the big "CREATE" button do? CREATE MASSIVE amount of "worthless" tokens ION Masternodes + ION Staking Wallets + Gamernodes (smart ION Node) =Good ionomy INNOVATION on ION Blockchain
[/size] Yep if you or I clicked the big create token button our token would be like many ERC20 tokens.... worthless. If 1,10,100 or 1,000 game developers created a token to integrate into a game that's a different story..... I'm still missing the reason/motivation for the ionomy community to create these "worthless" tokens. What value/use do these tokens have in the ionomy ecosystem? How does the token gain any value when purchasing with XDM asset that was "air dropped" for FREE It's not free The bulk of the airdrop will be to ION and ATOM holders who bought those assets , I know people that have been stocking up on ION and ATOMS in anticipation. The only free element is a planned promotion to air drop some XDM to non ION/ATOM holders, it's an incentive for them to checkout Ionomy 3.0. What's the reasoning behind your rational ? If you think XDM is worthless share your thoughts on why it's worthless. Also if you truly think it will be valueless why don't you do create tokens at 1 XDM an asset. Name them 'Sharkie' 'Wild'..... Your tokens will be worthless as you inject no value into them but at least you'll be doing everyone a favour by burning up your XDM supply so adding some deflationary pressure Again you have not answered without commenting on how "worthless" the current proposed tokens are. I'm still searching for valid reasons to go buy XDM so I can then buy "worthless" token that is not being currently utilized in ionomy ecosystem (Ionomy.com 3.0 Token Exchange) Why don't I just spend the funds on buying IONs from a real exchange and skip two deflationary transaction fees???
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korvas128
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September 29, 2018, 06:22:28 PM |
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Again you have not answered without commenting on how "worthless" the current proposed tokens are. I'm still searching for valid reasons to go buy XDM so I can then buy "worthless" token that is not being currently utilized in ionomy ecosystem That's because the answer is in the whitepaper and I'm assuming that you an ex weapons R&D designer experienced in crypto don't need me to teach you how to suck eggs. If you don't get it easy don't buy any and sell what you get. If you break your negativity into something more detailed then I'll try to respond with a more detailed answer.
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WildShark
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September 29, 2018, 06:36:23 PM |
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That’s a dangerous thing, because I think it demonstrates that this is just a community of yes-men. I don’t fully know why that is, though I have some ideas. I’d love to know your opinions. I think it’s partially that a lot of the people who are invested are inexperienced in investment full stop, or are naive. Some of the larger investors, like Korvas, for example, are clearly not the smartest people and to be totally, brutally honest, probably don’t have the critical thinking skills to come up with viable alternatives. It’s not their fault, I get that, but it means that there’s very little actual challenge to the teams plans. Don't confuse humility or ignorance with stupidity.... What if the community agree with the devs direction, why question something they agree with. I can't see how your proposal adds any value in fact all I see is negatives but that's probably because as you say I lack the intellect to understand it's significance. The well written ION proposal supports the ION core team's by utilizing all of their IIPs except IIP_0002 (XDM Token Implementation) and viewed at: https://ion.community/topic/2787/ion-improvement-proposal-wildonion-node-responsibilityThis IIP changes the secondary ION network as follows: Improve ION network functionality with addition of new Gamernodes being used to process large number of premium game token assets. The IIP introduces the system requirements and processing imposed on ION Smart Nodes in support of the secondary ION network of the ION blockchain with the current proposed ionomy ecosystem assets. The IIP will require the implementation with usage of "Smart Contracts" being processed on the ION blockchain. The limit on the number of premium game token assets being implemented on the ION blockchain should be determined by number of active ION Nodes in ION Core network. The addition of the "Smart Contracts" functionality will increase the value of ION. Having a variety of value assets are extremely useful in any mature ionomy ecosystem. "Add Smart Contract functionality to the ION blockchain" - introduce the capacity to process contracts on the secondary network using ION wallets. ionomy Ecosystem Effectsionomy.com assets and gaming assets can be transacted and accounted for on the blockchain Smart Contracts creation functionality facilitates new use cases for IONION Nodes facilitates network scaling by offloading contract and token management from the core ION blockchain secondary network based on the number of ionomy assets the wallet owns to register as active Gamernode Smart Nodes that operate from all ION staking walletsION masternode that dynamical activates and controls smart ION nodes Fees for smart contract transactions performed by the masternodes and gamernodes can be distributed to ION node addresses and/or token addresses. @Korvas128 Of which of these points do you or the ionomy cult see the proposal as a negative? This is a path that encourages ION members to "HOLD" current ionomy assets instead of investing in "worthless" tokens... Here is question I asked very professionally...
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korvas128
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September 30, 2018, 01:25:20 PM |
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Here is question I asked very professionally... Okay got a coffee your proposal has my full attention. At a top it level it's seems like a token system that sits on top of the ion blockchain. No.1 I think this is inefficient adding an additional layer of infrastructure when there can be integration onto a single blockchain. If the tech can support there are lot of inherent benefits running multiple tokens within a single blockchain eco system. No.2 I think to implement would add another 6 to 12 months development and mean scraping 1 year+ dev work on a solution which has yet to launch.... this for me is a show stopper. No.3 As an investor surely it has to be better running a single blockchain. 1 wallet always easier to manage than 2 No.4 Not enough detail on implementation. What is the process of setting up a token ? how would the link to ion work if any. How would you manage a token from an Ionomy, game developer, investor perspective and what are the benefits over the soon to launch single chain solution (implementation benefits). Overall I'm struggling to see any benefit.
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WildShark
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September 30, 2018, 02:50:07 PM Last edit: September 30, 2018, 06:35:06 PM by WildShark |
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Here is question I asked very professionally... Okay got a coffee your proposal has my full attention. At a top it level it's seems like a token system that sits on top of the ion blockchain. No.1 I think this is inefficient adding an additional layer of infrastructure when there can be integration onto a single blockchain. If the tech can support there are lot of inherent benefits running multiple tokens within a single blockchain eco system. No.2 I think to implement would add another 6 to 12 months development and mean scraping 1 year+ dev work on a solution which has yet to launch.... this for me is a show stopper. No.3 As an investor surely it has to be better running a single blockchain. 1 wallet always easier to manage than 2 No.4 Not enough detail on implementation. What is the process of setting up a token ? how would the link to ion work if any. How would you manage a token from an Ionomy, game developer, investor perspective and what are the benefits over the soon to launch single chain solution (implementation benefits). Overall I'm struggling to see any benefit. The proposal is a very simple concept that deals with introduction of a "Premium Game Token" into the ionomy ecosystem using dynamically created smart ION nodes activated using the current ionomy assets. There is no creation of massive "worthless" tokens and transactions to be maintained the life of the ION chain. ION Masternodes + ION Staking Wallets + Gamernodes (smart ION Node) =Good ionomy INNOVATION on ION BlockchainWhy doesn't your proposed ecosystem not use it's own Blockchain and bloat it with all the token transactions? Where is the ION Improvement White Paper Ver. 3.0 to back your decaying plan This would answer your technical question on how to implement an ATOM token asset on the ION blockchain I look forward to the day that you endorse smart ION Node Wallets running on the secondary ION blockchain using ATOM, XDM or HEAT token as ION Node asset !!! This staking ION wallet is AWESOME for running 24/7 on Window 7 desktop server since beginning of the year!
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