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January 02, 2018, 04:04:45 PM
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Rabbit hole is borderline? Roll Eyes

Do you have a style guide for DaZuru-approved forum posting? So that I could post derogatory things about it.

Why Yes! Happy to share. http://www.ninja-creative.com/8-wacky-writing-styles-to-entertain-your-readers/  Fire away!  Smiley

Not sure how that could apply, this ain't a blog or a news site, more like the sewer of the intertubes. Although Shark seems to be employing #1 in an impressively convincing way.

Crap I would be hard pressed to follow my trail of BTC since 2012. My first successful BTC receive was from a faucet for .006 on October 1, 2012. Funny to think it is worth $84 today. Cracks me up. I would hit those faucets like clockwork. I had fun learning. I keep better records since around 2016, so I can judge my choices. Good and bad choices made. Smiley  Not as bad as ordering two pizzas.

Again, not the point. Shark, korvas, and some other braggarts here have been trying to paint ION as a great investment, while it's clear to anyone with 3rd grade math skills that it doesn't add up unless you apply some very creative accounting.
I was just trying to be funny, but I do employ number one myself at times. Not on purpose, but I do love beer.

Like we discussed earlier, not sure how you prove anything, but creative accounting aside, I've had a very positive experience from my investment. Don't really want to give details in a public space. If I was from the outside looking in, trying to vet an investment, the ION math is pretty much public knowledge. I have in the past, with quite a few investment thoughts, pretended to invest on a spreadsheet and then compared actual performance over a certain time span to judge if I wanted to enter an investment. Other than liquidity, and entry timing of ION, (oh and being a shitcoin Smiley )what part of the math doesn't work out in your analysis? I hope you realize by now that I am not out to pick a fight, but if we only listen to people that agree with us, we may lose important perspectives.
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January 02, 2018, 06:07:12 PM
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Your right suchmoon, I forgot to add that I built my initial Shark Nodes from XPY to ION swap opportunity offered by Huey. I was swapping the XPY for IONs at less than 2 cents apiece. Therfore the cost basis was around 14.5 cents per ION. This was a wonderful opportunity to exit the Paycon adventure. I store these IONs in Ionomy LTD stakers and double my daily profit by applying Electrons to them daily!!! This revenue stream provides me free IONs daily for as long as Ionomy LTD is in business.

That would be the same Huey who told you to buy XPY and XPYBits before he told you to swap to ION? Who propped up the dead scam for a year?

As for 2 cents a piece... you're lying now, or you lied here:

https://archive.fo/hyF8N#selection-9982.0-10057.42

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The IONs that you got by converting those paycoins cost you 0.016 BTC or ~$220 each. Good luck breaking even.

I was just trying to be funny, but I do employ number one myself at times. Not on purpose, but I do love beer.

Like we discussed earlier, not sure how you prove anything, but creative accounting aside, I've had a very positive experience from my investment. Don't really want to give details in a public space. If I was from the outside looking in, trying to vet an investment, the ION math is pretty much public knowledge. I have in the past, with quite a few investment thoughts, pretended to invest on a spreadsheet and then compared actual performance over a certain time span to judge if I wanted to enter an investment. Other than liquidity, and entry timing of ION, (oh and being a shitcoin Smiley )what part of the math doesn't work out in your analysis? I hope you realize by now that I am not out to pick a fight, but if we only listen to people that agree with us, we may lose important perspectives.

You posted the numbers yourself... price-wise ION underperforms even the granddaddy of all coins BTC, not to mention top altcoins, and that's just 2017. Looks far worse if you go back to the ICO.

Math gets wonky when you start including or excluding arbitrary components, like staking or forks, or fudge the cost basis like Shark is doing.

And that's before we even get to assessing the risk of a 100%-premined, 75%-team-owned, centralized, opaque, illiquid coin. I guess "shitcoin" covers all that, just being more specific here.

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January 02, 2018, 07:06:24 PM
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That would be the same Huey who told you to buy XPY and XPYBits before he told you to swap to ION? Who propped up the dead scam for a year?

I think that's the Huey that runs Ionomy LTD. it's a matter of fact that he does... He offered the swap deals for all investors of the crypto community. I don't think he recommended the swap was a scam... Did suchmoon utilize any of these  awesome ION investment offers?

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January 02, 2018, 08:06:00 PM
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That would be the same Huey who told you to buy XPY and XPYBits before he told you to swap to ION? Who propped up the dead scam for a year?

I think that's the Huey that runs Ionomy LTD. it's a matter of fact that he does... He offered the swap deals for all investors of the crypto community. I don't think he recommended the swap was a scam... Did suchmoon utilize any of these  investment deals?


He propped up XPY, which is a proven scam. Your evasive maneuver is quite lame. How about those $220 IONs? Not quite as free as you were making it sound.

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That would be the same Huey who told you to buy XPY and XPYBits before he told you to swap to ION? Who propped up the dead scam for a year?

I think that's the Huey that runs Ionomy LTD. it's a matter of fact that he does... He offered the swap deals for all investors of the crypto community. I don't think he recommended the swap was a scam... Did suchmoon utilize any of these awesome ION investment offers?


He propped up XPY, which is a proven scam. Your evasive maneuver is quite lame. How about those $220 IONs? Not quite as free as you were making it sound.
Which IONs are you asking me for? I also receive "free" IONs for winning ION Community challenages or Ionomy Studio games...

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January 02, 2018, 08:54:43 PM
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That would be the same Huey who told you to buy XPY and XPYBits before he told you to swap to ION? Who propped up the dead scam for a year?

I think that's the Huey that runs Ionomy LTD. it's a matter of fact that he does... He offered the swap deals for all investors of the crypto community. I don't think he recommended the swap was a scam... Did suchmoon utilize any of these awesome ION investment offers?


He propped up XPY, which is a proven scam. Your evasive maneuver is quite lame. How about those $220 IONs? Not quite as free as you were making it sound.
Which IONs are you asking me for? I also receive "free" IONs for winning ION Community challenages or Ionomy Studio games...

Drunk again? I'm not asking for your IONs, you can keep that shit. I'm asking to clarify the actual cost basis of your IONs, which you lied about profusely. According to this post, it's ~ 0.016 BTC per ION, not zero:

https://archive.fo/hyF8N#selection-9982.0-10057.42

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That would be the same Huey who told you to buy XPY and XPYBits before he told you to swap to ION? Who propped up the dead scam for a year?

I think that's the Huey that runs Ionomy LTD. it's a matter of fact that he does... He offered the swap deals for all investors of the crypto community. I don't think he recommended the swap was a scam... Did suchmoon utilize any of these awesome ION investment offers?


He propped up XPY, which is a proven scam. Your evasive maneuver is quite lame. How about those $220 IONs? Not quite as free as you were making it sound.
Which IONs are you asking me for? I also receive "free" IONs for winning ION Community challenges or Ionomy Studio games...

Drunk again? I'm not asking for your IONs, you can keep that shit. I'm asking to clarify the actual cost basis of your IONs, which you lied about profusely. According to this post, it's ~ 0.016 BTC per ION, not zero:

https://archive.fo/hyF8N#selection-9982.0-10057.42

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My investment records are sealed for ION cost basis (2017)... come back and ask me the question next year when IRS approves legislation and guideline on how to treat crypto coins. I also got "free" IONs from underneath the table when cleaning the Ionomy LTD Whale's lounge after the Secret meetings. I hide those away in the Shark Cave for a rainy day usage...

Quitting time.. I think I will take your recommendation and have a strong mixed drink to kill the pain of the lies  Huh


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January 02, 2018, 10:21:25 PM
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My investment records are sealed for ION cost basis (2017)... come back and ask me the question next year when IRS approves legislation and guideline on how to treat crypto coins. I also got "free" IONs from underneath the table when cleaning the Ionomy LTD Whale's lounge after the Secret meetings. I hide those away in the Shark Cave for a rainy day usage...

Quitting time.. I think I will take your recommendation and have a strong mixed drink to kill the pain of the lies  Huh

Yeah right... This was back in 2015-2016. You should have paid your taxes on those already and the guidelines are quite clear. Somehow the IRS is not preventing you from bragging about your "free" IONs though.

Stop lying if you don't like the pain.

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ION Rocket cruising at THREE Dollars! Houston, are we clear for stage 3 separation? stage 3 will free fall to  earth when fuel is used UP!!!


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lol

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January 03, 2018, 01:02:35 AM
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ION Rocket cruising above THREE Dollars Mark

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ION Rocket cruising above THREE Dollars Mark


https://ionomy.com/dashboard

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almost time for stage 3 of ION Rocket to FREE fall onto ION Community... if ION price remains above $3.50 Mark

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January 03, 2018, 06:10:35 PM
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Now Suchmoon, don't do what you accused me of doing, picking data points to make your argument look good.  Smiley  I think our disconnect is the relationship between ION and BTC and the USD. I am not sure of your exact date range, so I think August 20 to December 24 is close to what you have depicted here. BTC went through a huge upward price movement as we all know. The price of ION to BTC went down, but the USD value went up. I did not check, but I imagine this happened to a large number of coins.  I took just the two dates, August 20 and December 24, and entered their prices (from https://coinmarketcap.com historical prices) and show that both BTC and ION went up compared to the USD. It is only natural that ION went down compared to BTC due to BTCs huge increase. So to be fair and accurate, I think your chart needs to point out this information don't you?

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You posted the numbers yourself... price-wise ION underperforms even the granddaddy of all coins BTC, not to mention top altcoins, and that's just 2017. Looks far worse if you go back to the ICO.

Math gets wonky when you start including or excluding arbitrary components, like staking or forks, or fudge the cost basis like Shark is doing.

And that's before we even get to assessing the risk of a 100%-premined, 75%-team-owned, centralized, opaque, illiquid coin. I guess "shitcoin" covers all that, just being more specific here.

I think a great number of coins underperformed BTC, doesn't mean they are worthless.

Just because the math gets wonky doesn't mean the math doesn't work out, just harder to prove without putting private specifics on a public forum. I purchased one third of my coins (vague I know) on 2-16-2017 for .05 average cost. Sitting at $3.25 now. Can't see that as being a loss no matter how I try to spin it.

I think the risk is there for any coin, setting a risk factor score would be an interesting idea for a startup?  Kind of like FICO, but we call it KINKY. Krypto INcome Kost Yearnings. What is your KINKY score Mr. ICO?  Smiley
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Now Suchmoon, don't do what you accused me of doing, picking data points to make your argument look good.  Smiley  I think our disconnect is the relationship between ION and BTC and the USD. I am not sure of your exact date range, so I think August 20 to December 24 is close to what you have depicted here. BTC went through a huge upward price movement as we all know. The price of ION to BTC went down, but the USD value went up. I did not check, but I imagine this happened to a large number of coins.  I took just the two dates, August 20 and December 24, and entered their prices (from https://coinmarketcap.com historical prices) and show that both BTC and ION went up compared to the USD. It is only natural that ION went down compared to BTC due to BTCs huge increase. So to be fair and accurate, I think your chart needs to point out this information don't you?

No, I don't. It's a chart straight from Bittrex. There is nothing wrong with it. Shark is already spamming this thread with various USD-based numbers, look at his screenshots if you prefer.

I think a great number of coins underperformed BTC, doesn't mean they are worthless.

Just because the math gets wonky doesn't mean the math doesn't work out, just harder to prove without putting private specifics on a public forum. I purchased one third of my coins (vague I know) on 2-16-2017 for .05 average cost. Sitting at $3.25 now. Can't see that as being a loss no matter how I try to spin it.

I think the risk is there for any coin, setting a risk factor score would be an interesting idea for a startup?  Kind of like FICO, but we call it KINKY. Krypto INcome Kost Yearnings. What is your KINKY score Mr. ICO?  Smiley

You got it backwards. ION is shit because it's shit, not because its price goes one way or another. ION price underperforms BTC because ION is shit. It may not be worthless but it is quite certainly not worth the associated risks.

You didn't purchase your IONs for USD. You used some sort of crypto-currency, most likely a far more valuable and less risky one, like BTC, ETH, LTC, therefore trading a better risk-reward ratio for a worse one. Maybe your gamble will pay off eventually but given two hard forkups and an abject lack of revenue-generating business since the ICO, you're basically betting on ION being attractive to speculators on Bittrex. When the whole market is going up this might look like it works (if you use USD basis) albeit underperforming said market.

Another way to look at this: even if someone for some inexplicable reason really really likes ION they would have been able to buy twice as many IONs if they just kept their BTC since the ICO time.

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Now Suchmoon, don't do what you accused me of doing, picking data points to make your argument look good.  Smiley  I think our disconnect is the relationship between ION and BTC and the USD. I am not sure of your exact date range, so I think August 20 to December 24 is close to what you have depicted here. BTC went through a huge upward price movement as we all know. The price of ION to BTC went down, but the USD value went up. I did not check, but I imagine this happened to a large number of coins.  I took just the two dates, August 20 and December 24, and entered their prices (from https://coinmarketcap.com historical prices) and show that both BTC and ION went up compared to the USD. It is only natural that ION went down compared to BTC due to BTCs huge increase. So to be fair and accurate, I think your chart needs to point out this information don't you?

No, I don't. It's a chart straight from Bittrex. There is nothing wrong with it. Shark is already spamming this thread with various USD-based numbers, look at his screenshots if you prefer.

I think a great number of coins underperformed BTC, doesn't mean they are worthless.

Just because the math gets wonky doesn't mean the math doesn't work out, just harder to prove without putting private specifics on a public forum. I purchased one third of my coins (vague I know) on 2-16-2017 for .05 average cost. Sitting at $3.25 now. Can't see that as being a loss no matter how I try to spin it.

I think the risk is there for any coin, setting a risk factor score would be an interesting idea for a startup?  Kind of like FICO, but we call it KINKY. Krypto INcome Kost Yearnings. What is your KINKY score Mr. ICO?  Smiley

You got it backwards. ION is shit because it's shit, not because its price goes one way or another. ION price underperforms BTC because ION is shit. It may not be worthless but it is quite certainly not worth the associated risks.

You didn't purchase your IONs for USD. You used some sort of crypto-currency, most likely a far more valuable and less risky one, like BTC, ETH, LTC, therefore trading a better risk-reward ratio for a worse one. Maybe your gamble will pay off eventually but given two hard forkups and an abject lack of revenue-generating business since the ICO, you're basically betting on ION being attractive to speculators on Bittrex. When the whole market is going up this might look like it works (if you use USD basis) albeit underperforming said market.

Another way to look at this: even if someone for some inexplicable reason really really likes ION they would have been able to buy twice as many IONs if they just kept their BTC since the ICO time.
The only way FIAT comparisons don't matter is if you never intend to cash out. I mean you can buy a lot of stuff with BTC, but I sure would compare the BTC/USD at the time of purchase. What do you mean I didn't purchase it with USD? Are we talking about me taking my USD, buying BTC, then turning right around (well maybe an hour for it to confirm) and purchasing ION is not ultimately purchased with USD? This is using BTC as a currency, not as an investment. If I had used a cow instead of BTC as the intermediary currency, would I have to look at cattle prices for the rest of my life to know if I made a good deal? If I had only kept that cow...could have staked milk out of it and made millions.

I get it. You don't like ION since it can't beat BTC. I assume there are quite a few that you do not like due to this comparison? If so, do they get as much attention on their forums as ION does? I really do not understand why this is such a dedicated campaign of yours? I don't want to read this whole thread to try and read between the lines to figure it out, so can you just tell me what motivates you to work so hard against ION? I can see someone posting their dislike and moving on, but this is really dedicated. Must have a real reason deep down, and not some glib response please?
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No, I don't. It's a chart straight from Bittrex. There is nothing wrong with it. Shark is already spamming this thread with various USD-based numbers, look at his screenshots if you prefer.

suchmoon, I believe you should of stated that I am promoting in the ION thread with positive Ionomy Vision!!!

 I will leave the spamming to U and report my post to the moderator.. It's free to do it!!!

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The only way FIAT comparisons don't matter is if you never intend to cash out. I mean you can buy a lot of stuff with BTC, but I sure would compare the BTC/USD at the time of purchase. What do you mean I didn't purchase it with USD? Are we talking about me taking my USD, buying BTC, then turning right around (well maybe an hour for it to confirm) and purchasing ION is not ultimately purchased with USD? This is using BTC as a currency, not as an investment. If I had used a cow instead of BTC as the intermediary currency, would I have to look at cattle prices for the rest of my life to know if I made a good deal? If I had only kept that cow...could have staked milk out of it and made millions.

I get it. You don't like ION since it can't beat BTC. I assume there are quite a few that you do not like due to this comparison? If so, do they get as much attention on their forums as ION does? I really do not understand why this is such a dedicated campaign of yours? I don't want to read this whole thread to try and read between the lines to figure it out, so can you just tell me what motivates you to work so hard against ION? I can see someone posting their dislike and moving on, but this is really dedicated. Must have a real reason deep down, and not some glib response please?

I'm not telling you how you should value your investments. If you want to use USD or Venezuelan bolívar - your choice, as is my choice to think that this is misleading as it ignores the very obvious opportunity cost. I prefer to value crypto currencies in BTC though, given the dominance of BTC in market cap, adoption, etc and  the lack of direct exchange for most currencies into anything other than BTC. Just as I prefer to value e.g. mining expenses in the currency being mined, not in USD - if I can't mine more coins than I could buy then it makes more sense to just buy the coins.

And no, you don't get it. Due to many other reasons (liquidity, risk, etc) ION would still be shit even if it managed to outperform BTC. The whole price discussion is flaming on just because shills like Shark and korvas brag about their brilliant investment using the most ridiculous arguments, e.g. saying that "trolls" must feel sorry because they didn't invest in ION or some such nonsense. I can't imagine any bitcoin holder being sorry for not investing in ION ICO and missing out on the opportunity to halve their bitcoins... thus the chart I'm posting to show the absurdity of such a claim.

I'm not gonna go too deep into the fallacies and hypocrisy of your second paragraph. If you have any self-awareness at all you'll notice how you're repeating Garza's talking points almost word for word. Someone saying bad words about your favorite shitcoin is not a "campaign". Perhaps your shitcoin sucks. Just a thought.

suchmoon, I believe you should of stated that I am promoting in the ION thread with positive Ionomy Vision!!!

No, you're not. You're making ionomy look like it has two-and-a-half dimwits running their PR.

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