Email from Avalon

[Sierra8561]

Only time will tell but it sure is encouraging.

[toptek]

I hope Avalon has been working on a 16nm chip longer than a month or two, or they're going to be VERY late to market with it.

 The announcement they made that they weren't GOING to work on one for a while as of the release of the A6 was a very bad sign for their timing......

Ah  you can't believe them as Avalon, Bitfury,

Bitmaintech  all do a lot of bluffing as to where they are at.

Bitfury showed us a 14/16 size chip  nice demo  so where the fuck is it?

I don't know.

Bitmaintech says zip.

So I don't know.

Avalon said we are not making one yet. Now they say they are making one.


Here is the deal.

If any company above has them made right now and keeps very quiet about them.

They can simply replace all their older gear. Not raising the hash rate a lot.

I have 10,000 s-7's  at 4.7th = 47ph burning  13,000 kwatts

I put in 10,000 s-9  at 6th = 60ph burning      7,200 kwatts

So hashrate stays stabile  not much gain  and  spend  5800 kwatts less.

plus bargin sell my paid for old s-7's  or my paid for avalon 6's

So all three companies could have a lot of running .10 watt gear or none of the companies or one of the companies.

Being secret right now with ½ ing coming is to their advantage.

We get to watch a high stakes game between them.  Plus  while they keep hahs rate stabile we make a little coin.

I could believe that 400 or 600 ph right now is all next gen. mining as I type.

Or under 10 ph is next gen mining as I type.

I still have to mention I also got the email from Avalon and if  blockC wants me to do a group buy for them in the future I will do it.

this time i might try to get in that group buy if you do !!! or try to  for at least 2 miners , i do like Avalon stuff much better after owning just one A4.1 wish i had bought them back then instead of S5. power is not a problem  or won't be i applied for a lower rate @ 0.26 lower per kwh then what i have now for the next 19 months which if a lower plan comes a long which is very likely in my state, i can drop this plan for it with no cancellation fees, .+ the way it looks by June, I'll be solar. They told me today the planing is over some time next week i should get a email with the final plans to be approved my me then it's a long wait on the state for permits.

[toptek]

Only time will tell but it sure is encouraging.

What I like is this

 16nm SHA-256 mining chips for everybody!

I do believe that we can count on that, i dc if they have it now as long we get it with a lot of good use left.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

On glitch in doing a group buy is that kilo17 is out of the BTC game. BlockC really screwed him over when they backed out of his Avalon6 chips deal with them. Within days of that he sold off his 300TH farm mostly hosted by BlockC and told them to get stuffed.

[philipma1957]

On glitch in doing a group buy is that kilo17 is out of the BTC game. BlockC really screwed him over when they backed out of his Avalon6 chips deal with them. Within days of that he sold off his 300TH farm mostly hosted by BlockC and told them to get stuffed.

I wish I had known this. If it were posted I must have missed it.

[HerbPean]

On glitch in doing a group buy is that kilo17 is out of the BTC game. BlockC really screwed him over when they backed out of his Avalon6 chips deal with them. Within days of that he sold off his 300TH farm mostly hosted by BlockC and told them to get stuffed.

WoW 

[notlist3d]

On glitch in doing a group buy is that kilo17 is out of the BTC game. BlockC really screwed him over when they backed out of his Avalon6 chips deal with them. Within days of that he sold off his 300TH farm mostly hosted by BlockC and told them to get stuffed.

I wish I had known this. If it were posted I must have missed it.

I missed it to, I'm surprised he is out of the game.   Would not have seen that coming.    Do you have a link to this happening? 

Just would kinda like to see the post's as I missed them.  Thanks for posting though as I was clueless of this.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

On glitch in doing a group buy is that kilo17 is out of the BTC game. BlockC really screwed him over when they backed out of his Avalon6 chips deal with them. Within days of that he sold off his 300TH farm mostly hosted by BlockC and told them to get stuffed.

I wish I had known this. If it were posted I must have missed it.

I missed it to, I'm surprised he is out of the game.   Would not have seen that coming.    Do you have a link to this happening?  

Just would kinda like to see the post's as I missed them.  Thanks for posting though as I was clueless of this.

My info on it came from Sidehack a month or so ago when in a pm on the Community miner I offhandedly mentioned that Kilo had dropped off of CKpool a couple weeks earlier. Aside from that there is kilo's last post to the Forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1291890.msg14495583#msg14495583

For his part, I'd guess that kilo took a professional approach to that cold slap in the face and after selling off his hardware (and hopefully getting back the monies he had already given them for chips) just dropped the matter and left the BTC scene without ranting about it here and prolonging the burn.

 I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since even on Skype where he and I were talking a lot about the Avalon6 project

 It's been indirectly brought up in other threads regarding regarding Avlons amd BlockC by myself and sidehack as well.

[philipma1957]

On glitch in doing a group buy is that kilo17 is out of the BTC game. BlockC really screwed him over when they backed out of his Avalon6 chips deal with them. Within days of that he sold off his 300TH farm mostly hosted by BlockC and told them to get stuffed.

I wish I had known this. If it were posted I must have missed it.

I missed it to, I'm surprised he is out of the game.   Would not have seen that coming.    Do you have a link to this happening?  

Just would kinda like to see the post's as I missed them.  Thanks for posting though as I was clueless of this.

My info on it came from Sidehack a month or so ago when in a pm on the Community miner I offhandedly mentioned that Kilo had dropped off of CKpool a couple weeks earlier. Aside from that there is kilo's last post to the Forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1291890.msg14495583#msg14495583

For his part, I'd guess that kilo took a professional approach to that cold slap in the face and after selling off his hardware (and hopefully getting back the monies he had already given them for chips) just dropped the matter and left the BTC scene without ranting about it here and prolonging the burn.

 I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since even on Skype where he and I were talking a lot about the Avalon6 project

 It's been indirectly brought up in other threads regarding regarding Avlons amd BlockC by myself and sidehack as well.

That is a shame as kilo was and is a solid person.
Yet another sign that I would prefer be pointed in the exact opposite direction.


Too bad that happened I truly liked him.

[sidehack]

Yeah, that chip deal was in the works since at least February. He wanted a certain number of dead boards for a project he and I were working on together (which morphed into the community design), and they actually promised to send him about twice as many as he wanted. Which was not a bad thing. And apparently kept dragging their feet for weeks and then bailed entirely. If anyone's wondering why I didn't have progress on an Avalon-based system weeks ago, that's a pretty substantial contributing factor.

[kilo17]

On glitch in doing a group buy is that kilo17 is out of the BTC game. BlockC really screwed him over when they backed out of his Avalon6 chips deal with them. Within days of that he sold off his 300TH farm mostly hosted by BlockC and told them to get stuffed.

That is a true statement- but I am only out temporarily while waiting on the chips to come out 

[kilo17]

Just haven't had a lot of news to update really and I don't want to post just to post.  On a side note I am in contact with the Bitfury ASIC supplier weekly and as of last Monday chips were still a no go

[philipma1957]

thanks for update kilo.

 Sad about the avalon issues.

It has become really hard with so few asic chips available to get any one to sell them.

[valkir]

Hope to see the next gen miner before end of july. Bitfury, Bitmain or Avalon ?? Cant wait to see. 

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Just haven't had a lot of news to update really and I don't want to post just to post.  On a side note I am in contact with the Bitfury ASIC supplier weekly and as of last Monday chips were still a no go

Really glad to hear from you again! Also glad that mining is still in the cards for you (sans Avalon).

Very glad you are still pursuing the ephemeral BitFury chips. Also for reasons I've previously expressed about TSMC and 16nm chip production, not surprised on the lack of movement. But - we should be getting close.

[philipma1957]

Just haven't had a lot of news to update really and I don't want to post just to post.  On a side note I am in contact with the Bitfury ASIC supplier weekly and as of last Monday chips were still a no go

Really glad to hear from you again! Also glad that mining is still in the cards for you (sans Avalon).

Very glad you are still pursuing the ephemeral BitFury chips. Also for reasons I've previously expressed about TSMC and 16nm chip production, not surprised on the lack of movement. But - we should be getting close.

I do hope so.  Would be nice to chips and a custom build.

[notlist3d]

Just haven't had a lot of news to update really and I don't want to post just to post.  On a side note I am in contact with the Bitfury ASIC supplier weekly and as of last Monday chips were still a no go

Really glad to hear from you again! Also glad that mining is still in the cards for you (sans Avalon).

Very glad you are still pursuing the ephemeral BitFury chips. Also for reasons I've previously expressed about TSMC and 16nm chip production, not surprised on the lack of movement. But - we should be getting close.

It is good to hear a Update and original story to.  Thanks for posting.   I think getting chips is going to be hard no matter what at this point.  Unless someone gets them like LKETC that has a history of unloading tons of chips to others, I think most keep pretty internal.  For better or worse.
 
Still wish you best of luck though as a community miner sounds very cool idea.   But I imagine it's quite the uphill battle to get chips in current market.

[IOTUSA]

...
16nm chips over the next months.

working on a 16 nm  chip !!! ....

*yawn* Nothing interesting to see here. Bitfury had an announcement like this from December and they don't have them in mass production. *yawn*

Sure, but Avalon have an actual history of delivering their products to consumers. While Bitfury has a history of taking pre-orders, only to refund you and build their own farms instead.

[philipma1957]

...
16nm chips over the next months.

working on a 16 nm  chip !!! ....

*yawn* Nothing interesting to see here. Bitfury had an announcement like this from December and they don't have them in mass production. *yawn*

Sure, but Avalon have an actual history of delivering their products to consumers. While Bitfury has a history of taking pre-orders, only to refund you and build their own farms instead.

They did that to me and quite a few others.

Basically the asic builders have a lot of leverage over the game.

[dogie]

Basically the asic builders have a lot of leverage over the game.

That's actually an interesting concept - we actually don't know what control they have over their own company. Consider BTCS' string pulling over Spondoolies and that we only know about it in detail because BTCS is a public company. Bitfury similarly has significant VC investment and its likely that that investment comes with control.

We don't know if the V's actually get to decide to release a generation or not and its not unreasonable to consider that the investors may usurp giving away their very expensive chip for little.