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June 04, 2016, 01:21:57 PM
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Well I invested quite a bit into Mycelium think its a better deal as some of those other ICOs.Not interested if an exchange wants to trade it or not though I bet many will.Here for the long haul till Mycelium turns into a financial institution.
You dont want to trust a company with the best wallet in the world that delivers constantly but you will trust a Russian with millions of dollars in a NXT clone.People get your priorities right.
It is not an ICO though, which doesn't make the fact that it hasn't been added into any exchanges too surprising, but that's not the only factor. It's not as simple to add colored coins into an exchange when the existing infastructure supports other kinds of tokens. The crowdsale was met with decent success though, based in the money that it attracted. The fact that no exchange Was prepared to add the token at launch kinda gues to show that there wasn't enough interest from third party exchanges, on which Mycelium implied reliance for trading (at least for now). I'm sure that this has been disappointing to certain investors as this non-security hasn't showcased any speculative value so far, which always is in the interest of people that put money in such bitcoin related "investments". But I guess that I am a dick for posting my thoughts on the matter. Tongue

First of all, waves and mycelium fucked over their investors by buying each other's icos and esenially just swapping btc back and forth while diluting everyone else.

Second, mycelium raised 5000 btc for 5% of the wallet. The next round is for 25% of the wallet and needs to make 25000 btc for the first round investors to break even. If you invested a lot into this wallet, i feel sorry for you.

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June 04, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
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Oh dont you worry Mycelium will be a sell out everytime it has a crowdsale.At least mycelium has a product whats waves got? 

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June 04, 2016, 02:07:35 PM
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Mycelium is the best mobile wallet ever, i fully trust in their operations.
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June 04, 2016, 02:15:23 PM
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First of all, waves and mycelium fucked over their investors by buying each other's icos and esenially just swapping btc back and forth while diluting everyone else.

Second, mycelium raised 5000 btc for 5% of the wallet. The next round is for 25% of the wallet and needs to make 25000 btc for the first round investors to break even. If you invested a lot into this wallet, i feel sorry for you.
I am perfectly aware of how ridiculous the assertion that investors could break even by the second round of investments sounds.

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June 04, 2016, 02:16:48 PM
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First of all, waves and mycelium fucked over their investors by buying each other's icos and esenially just swapping btc back and forth while diluting everyone else.

Second, mycelium raised 5000 btc for 5% of the wallet. The next round is for 25% of the wallet and needs to make 25000 btc for the first round investors to break even. If you invested a lot into this wallet, i feel sorry for you.

Wait, is that true? Shocked If so, GG mycelium kids!
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June 04, 2016, 02:26:44 PM
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Mycelium is the best mobile wallet ever, i fully trust in their operations.

But it doesnt make any money! Good luck getting your donation back.
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June 04, 2016, 03:00:53 PM
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Mycelium is the best mobile wallet ever, i fully trust in their operations.

But it doesnt make any money! Good luck getting your donation back.

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June 04, 2016, 03:47:43 PM
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I don't know why this thread is so appealing to new members. By all means you guys, keep posting whatever you want. I can't moderate the posts anyway. I'm just weirded out by the amount of new accounts replying here.

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June 04, 2016, 07:30:38 PM
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I don't know why this thread is so appealing to new members. By all means you guys, keep posting whatever you want. I can't moderate the posts anyway. I'm just weirded out by the amount of new accounts replying here.

I think its funny. I may consider selling 5 of my MT's for 30 times the crowdsale. But no less. So any offers let me know. Can use trusted escrow. I personally feel they will hit over 100 times the crowdsale price.

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That should not happen ever. Its so unprofessional and shady :/
Shame on you Mycelium
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June 04, 2016, 09:24:33 PM
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I don't know why this thread is so appealing to new members. By all means you guys, keep posting whatever you want. I can't moderate the posts anyway. I'm just weirded out by the amount of new accounts replying here.

I think its funny. I may consider selling 5 of my MT's for 30 times the crowdsale. But no less. So any offers let me know. Can use trusted escrow. I personally feel they will hit over 100 times the crowdsale price.

x30, you say? lessee ... 5000 btc is 5% of the wallet, so x20 is 100000 BTC ... you're expecting x30 profit so * 30 makes it 3000000 BTC ... how much is that in USD, I wonder? 3000000 * 570 = $1,710,000,000.
Did I get that right? Mycelium wallet needs to be worth one billion seven hundred and ten million US dollars?
Don't let anyone tell you your goals aren't realistic, that one's like money in the bank, bro!

BTW, how's that Lisk investment of yours doing? All good?
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I don't know why this thread is so appealing to new members. By all means you guys, keep posting whatever you want. I can't moderate the posts anyway. I'm just weirded out by the amount of new accounts replying here.

I think its funny. I may consider selling 5 of my MT's for 30 times the crowdsale. But no less. So any offers let me know. Can use trusted escrow. I personally feel they will hit over 100 times the crowdsale price.

x30, you say? lessee ... 5000 btc is 5% of the wallet, so x20 is 100000 BTC ... you're expecting x30 profit so * 30 makes it 3000000 BTC ... how much is that in USD, I wonder? 3000000 * 570 = $1,710,000,000.
Did I get that right? Mycelium wallet needs to be worth one billion seven hundred and ten million US dollars?
Don't let anyone tell you your goals aren't realistic, that one's like money in the bank, bro!

BTW, how's that Lisk investment of yours doing? All good?
It's funny, many people defending Mycelium here have a history of disastrous investments and no shame about it.

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June 04, 2016, 11:44:25 PM
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I am no newbie as you call us, I have been on here 7 years

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I am no newbie as you call us, I have been on here 7 years

Using a newly created account nevertheless, which is what I said. Don't worry though, I don't mind either way.

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June 05, 2016, 03:05:59 AM
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Yes using a new account because my hero account was hacked and destroyed by the morons kids on here and moderators did nothing about it

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I don't know why this thread is so appealing to new members. By all means you guys, keep posting whatever you want. I can't moderate the posts anyway. I'm just weirded out by the amount of new accounts replying here.

I think its funny. I may consider selling 5 of my MT's for 30 times the crowdsale. But no less. So any offers let me know. Can use trusted escrow. I personally feel they will hit over 100 times the crowdsale price.

x30, you say? lessee ... 5000 btc is 5% of the wallet, so x20 is 100000 BTC ... you're expecting x30 profit so * 30 makes it 3000000 BTC ... how much is that in USD, I wonder? 3000000 * 570 = $1,710,000,000.
Did I get that right? Mycelium wallet needs to be worth one billion seven hundred and ten million US dollars?
Don't let anyone tell you your goals aren't realistic, that one's like money in the bank, bro!

BTW, how's that Lisk investment of yours doing? All good?

no... he ment 5 x 30= 150 btc
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June 05, 2016, 06:40:49 PM
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can u post a link? also never heard of coloured coins or token

If you've been around since 2011 and have never heard of colored coins, then I can't help you. You have a lot of reading and catching up to do.

It is not an ICO though,

It's not? How do you figure? Unless you think this is more of an actual IPO as opposed to generally questionable ICO.

which doesn't make the fact that it hasn't been added into any exchanges too surprising,

Why would exchanges not want to add a token if it's not an ICO? And I assure you, the only reason exchanges haven't added it is because it's ridiculous to expect something be added right away. We're all still working on it, albeit not rushing at all.


The fact that no exchange Was prepared to add the token at launch kinda gues to show that there wasn't enough interest from third party exchanges, on which Mycelium implied reliance for trading (at least for now).

We only "implied reliance" on exchanges because that's where people exchange various tokens (duh?) and assumed that that's where they will be traded eventually. If "at least for now," where else do you think they will be traded?
Third parties did not have the time to show interest, since they only found out about this same time as everyone else, just a few days before the sale start. And I would guess rightfully waited to see what will come out of it and wetter it would be worth to add. Seriously, you pushing this idea that "No exchanges added support for the tokens right away, thus it's a failure" is a bit ridiculous. Again, how long did it take for Etherium, which had a lot of anticipation, a lot of prior long term planning, and raised a lot more money, to to get support from exchanges? Two or three months?


I'm sure that this has been disappointing to certain investors

The only people who complained about this so far are just you, who don't own any tokens anyway, and one other guy, who invested without knowing anything about it, just to speculate.

as this non-security hasn't showcased any speculative value so far,

Why do you keep calling it non-security? And why would it have speculative value at this point? It's entirely based on the actual value of the company. Has Mycelium Wallet's value changed in the last few weeks? I don't think so...

i would never buy any coin or token if it's not going to be listed on an exchange. alts are not secondary private market assets.

Why wouldn't it be listed on an exchange?

First of all, waves and mycelium fucked over their investors by buying each other's icos and esenially just swapping btc back and forth while diluting everyone else.

What?! That never happened. As far as we know nobody from Waves bought Mycelium tokens, and we didn't buy any Waves tokens. Mycelium the company doesn't own any part of Waves. If you have any proof for your accusation, please bring it up. Otherwise that's a pretty awful blatant slander.

Second, mycelium raised 5000 btc for 5% of the wallet. The next round is for 25% of the wallet and needs to make 25000 btc for the first round investors to break even. If you invested a lot into this wallet, i feel sorry for you.

First of all, the valuation of Mycelium Wallet is in USD, not BTC. Stop using current BTC prices to valuate it. We don't have to raise 25000 BTC, just some USD. And the next one may be 20%, and will also be dilutable shares. This first round was undilutable. It may not be easy, but we might hit that amount  still, considering our plans.

But it doesnt make any money!

Waves doesn't make any money, Ethereum doesn't make any money, Augur doesn't make any money, all startups don't make any money when you first invest in them. But actually Mycelium does make money, and as stated in the release has plans to make a whole lot of money.

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That should not happen ever. Its so unprofessional and shady :/
Shame on you Mycelium

That's how every single stock, and even bitcoin itself works. The only way you make money is if future investors put in more money. How is that's shady?

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June 05, 2016, 08:10:29 PM
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ICOs, which Rassah calls questionable, are generally added on exchanges at the day of release.

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June 06, 2016, 02:42:16 AM
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Yip obscure coins on obscure exchanches,waves not even trading

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June 06, 2016, 04:24:38 AM
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Tokens who are needed for nothing in a page called colu are worthless for us without any exchange to trade them on, it is the same than if you had never distributed them, or if you stick to show only numbers on your server,  your 2 week distribution time may seem worthless, use those 5,000 btcs to add them into an exchange.!

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