Craig Wright to move coins from an early (associated with the genesis?!) block?

[chek2fire]

Looking to buy coins from early blocks. Will pay 5x current market.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hop3z/looking_to_buy_coins_from_early_blocks_will_pay/

 

[spartak_t]

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My personal opinion is that Dave Kleiman was most likely to be Satoshi Nakamoto (he is now dead...).
This is an interesting read in case you missed it:
http://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460

[Spoetnik]

If he can actually move coins from the genesis block then I will openly admit he is Satoshi and just be disappointed that my mind have fantasized a better man than what Craig is appearing to be, but like most people here I very much doubt that will be the case.

This echos my sentiment exactly.. well said sir !

Like come on guys, you really want this guy to be Satoshi ?

[2015Bubble]

Well, even if he can move some of the early coins... it still does not prove that he is Satoshi. Let's say {conspiracy theory incoming} that some agency got hold of him very early on in the game and they seized

his documents... and waited for the opportune time to use it. Nobody back then, thought Bitcoin would become this big. Satoshi might have left these experimental information on pieces of paper or saved it in

digital form, and they only NOW were able to retrieve it. Craig like the Bond look and might be working with these agencies and Gavin to slowly ease into this position, until everyone believes this and then start

slowly selling off this wealth...  

No worries I will personally murder gavin because I'm 100% long.
Bitcoins will make or break me.

(fantasy fiction post, no need to raid my house and rape me in the arse)

[galbros]

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My personal opinion is that Dave Kleiman was most likely to be Satoshi Nakamoto (he is now dead...).
This is an interesting read in case you missed it:
http://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460

Thanks for this. 

I am thinking maybe Dave Kleiman was Woz to Craig Wright's (self perceived) Jobs.  Craig is trying to cash in but if he could move the coins he would have done so already. 

Not sure how he bamboozled Gavin, but maybe I'd say he was Satoshi too for a free trip to London.

[cjmoles]

There's too much funny stuff going on in this space so a single transaction from an early block would no longer be sufficient validation in my mind.  Now, there has to be an extra layer of validation added to overcome all the apparent "trickery"  that's been exposed to date.

I think I would accept a compound transaction from block #1 to block #9 and from block #9 back to block #1 as sufficient evidence as to who controls the private keys to Satoshi's stake in the project.   This would at least establish that more than one private key, known to be generated by Satoshi Nakamoto, is in play.  It would increase the weight of the evidence, and reduce the likelihood that the keys were somehow hacked into existence.

EDIT:

To be concise, the above would only prove to me that Wright holds the private keys to Satoshi's stake, not that he is, in fact, Satoshi.  That's where Gavin's assessment comes into play here.  If Wright proves he holds the keys && if others confirm that Wright is privy to information only contained within private communications between themselves and Satoshi Nakamoto, then maybe Wright might be justified in having the opportunity to turn down his Nobel Prize, like his idol did, Jean-Paul Sartre.

[owm123]

If he can actually move coins from the genesis block then I will openly admit he is Satoshi and just be disappointed that my mind have fantasized a better man than what Craig is appearing to be, but like most people here I very much doubt that will be the case.

It cant be coins from the geneiss block as they are unspendable (http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/10009/why-can-t-the-genesis-block-coinbase-be-spent). At best it can be the next block 1 or block 9.

[AgentofCoin]

If he can actually move coins from the genesis block then I will openly admit he is Satoshi and just be disappointed that my mind have fantasized a better man than what Craig is appearing to be, but like most people here I very much doubt that will be the case.

It cant be coins from the geneiss block as they are unspendable (http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/10009/why-can-t-the-genesis-block-coinbase-be-spent). At best it can be the next block 1 or block 9.

Though you are correct that the coinbase in Block #0 is unspendable,
there are numerous txs that have added to those bitcoins within that address.
https://blockchain.info/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa

Many users have added/donated some bitcoins to that address for fun.
Currently those added bitcoins exceed the 50 unspendable by 16+ bitcoins.

Those 16+ can be moved by Satoshi, since those coins come from spendable parents.

[chopstick]

If he can actually move coins from the genesis block then I will openly admit he is Satoshi and just be disappointed that my mind have fantasized a better man than what Craig is appearing to be, but like most people here I very much doubt that will be the case.

This echos my sentiment exactly.. well said sir !

Like come on guys, you really want this guy to be Satoshi ?

He may very well be satoshi despite whether or not YOU wanted him to be.

We're all humans. Sorry to disappoint, but satoshi is not an artificial intelligence from the future or some computer programmer version of Neo.

Turns out he may just be a snarky bastard from australia. With five degrees. He's clearly very well educated, and hardworking.

I don't see a problem with him being satoshi.

[AgentofCoin]

If he can actually move coins from the genesis block then I will openly admit he is Satoshi and just be disappointed that my mind have fantasized a better man than what Craig is appearing to be, but like most people here I very much doubt that will be the case.

This echos my sentiment exactly.. well said sir !

Like come on guys, you really want this guy to be Satoshi ?

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I don't see a problem with him being satoshi.

Except he plagiarizes his works and also backdates specific planted information to scam people.
That doesn't sound very nice.

[Chris!]

If he could do it he wouldn't create all this hype around it. He would just move some coins and sign a message. Clearly he's just leading people on to get his 15 minutes of fame.

[ebliever]

If he can actually move coins from the genesis block then I will openly admit he is Satoshi and just be disappointed that my mind have fantasized a better man than what Craig is appearing to be, but like most people here I very much doubt that will be the case.

This echos my sentiment exactly.. well said sir !

Like come on guys, you really want this guy to be Satoshi ?

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I don't see a problem with him being satoshi.

Except he plagiarizes his works and also backdates specific planted information to scam people.
That doesn't sound very nice.

Not to mention the scam "proof" he offered yesterday with the faux signature supposedly proving he was Satoshi. As some of the more astute commentators have said, at this point we need to demand MORE than simply signing the Genesis block or similar, because he's dug such a deep hole for himself with a repetitive pattern of dishonesty.

[mki8]

The guy has just done a runner from australia
as he caught attempting a tax scam
trying to move BTC about, and then claim $3million in fiat back from aus gov as gst refund
but they caught him at it
his many companies are all dodgy

this guy is a business man first, with greed paving his way
now he is out of options, except for keep digging the hole deeper

one thing is for sure, if he was SN, he would not attempt a tax scam
he wouldnt get investments from others, he wouldnt have any need to setup numerous companies to get investments
and he 100% would have spent some of his BTC by now and not needed to dela with anyone

it would be so easy to dissapear (like he claims he wants) why not just dissapear


Personally after reading a bit but with nothing but logic,
Hal Finney is my likely candidate,
maybe it will come out later when his heirs get access to his btc stash
but being part of the first transaction puts him top of the chart for me
and creating SN meant he could live his last years in peace
and SN the myth would be much more iconic and would have more impact and be safer.

It would be such a wonderful gift for someone to leave the world before they went.

EDIT:
just read about Dave Kleiman,
seems he is also a top contender, and the scene described when they found his body sounds really fishy
the coinsidence of these two also passing within years of BTC being released is also fishy as they were both still young

"Dave Kleiman was found dead in his home. According to reports provided by the Palm Beach County Medical Examiner Office, the scene of Kleiman’s death was gruesome. His body was decomposing, there were wheelchair tracks of blood and fecal matter, open bottles of alcohol, and a loaded handgun next to him. A bullet hole in his mattress would seem to suggest suicide or foul play, but no ammunition casings were found, meaning he might have fired his gun and cleaned up sometime before dying. The official cause of death is listed as natural, and Conrad remembers hearing that the MRSA had stopped Kleiman’s heart."

[Quickseller]

if he moves anything it will be a low number block miner which he bought the keys for and paid a lot of money to do so.

I am curious to know why you would automatically assume some kind of nefarious activity if Wright were to present some kind of proof that he is in fact Satoshi.

AFAICT, Wright is not attempting to profit off of his "identity" of satoshi (although it has been fairly widely speculated that he is doing this behind closed doors), and I would say there is a decent chance that if he did prove irrefutably that he is satoshi then I think that few people would (or should) trust him with their money. Wright being confirmed as being satoshi however would likely bring him a lot of unwanted attention however and would also probably end up costing him a lot of money and potentially cause him physical harm.

[7788bitcoin]

Is there a web site that we can monitor Satoshi's addresses in real time? Can't wait for this to happen...

However, my impression is that Satoshi is someone who is sharp, decisive, provides simple solutions and never drag/sit on issues... I am a bit disappointed to find that Craig is Satoshi, and that he kept delaying signing or moving coins... How difficult is that?

[pooya87]

Is there a web site that we can monitor Satoshi's addresses in real time? Can't wait for this to happen...

However, my impression is that Satoshi is someone who is sharp, decisive, provides simple solutions and never drag/sit on issues... I am a bit disappointed to find that Craig is Satoshi, and that he kept delaying signing or moving coins... How difficult is that?

i don't think so. unless someone creates a watch only wallet thingy from the address and creates a site from it, we have to check it one by one.
but i really hope this is an scam and he is not satoshi, which is the most possible thing with what i have seen from him so far.

[TPTB_need_war]

Craig "Satoshi" Wright said he was going to move them

hahah this guy is so funny lol. He doesn't need to move any coin to prove it, just sign the fcking message if he has the prive keys

Something is weird. He provided a message and a signature, but there's nothing in the message to indicate that he signed it himself, or when it was signed. It could have been signed months or years ago and there's no way to prove otherwise.

To understand what is really going on, you need to read carefully what Craig Wright has always said and continues to reiterate:

In his initial blog post, Wright noted that “Satoshi is dead... but this is only the beginning.” He also said that he would follow up with a more detailed mathematical explanation for the revelation. Now, the world will likely have to wait for “the coming days”—however long that may be—for more clues.

If I sign Craig Wright, it is not the same as if I sign Craig Wright, Satoshi.

I think this is true, but in my heart I wish it wasn’t.

Since those early days, after distancing myself from the public persona that was Satoshi,

Satoshi is dead.

But this is only the beginning.

You need to remember that Craig Wright has never claimed he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Instead, he has claimed that his former colleague (who died) was Satoshi. He claims he was backing his colleague's the development of Bitcoin.

This Australian Says He and His Dead Friend Invented Bitcoin

David Kleiman, Craig Wright's friend more likely Satoshi Nakamoto

OK so this might get a little meandering but I keep finding tidbits of David Kleiman's life that makes him a far more likely candidate for Satoshi than Wright. So here are some in no specific order.

Remember that Craig Wright had obtained funding for and was running a the largest Supercomputer in Australia. So what Craig has ostensibly done is he is used supercomputer resources to find the inverse of a hash function and then used one of Satoshi old transactions to pretend he has the private key:

The implication is that either Craig Wright has stumbled upon an infinitesimally rare occurrence of an SHA256 collision, or that he had used the signature from block 258 to reverse engineer a hash (the first shown in his blog demonstration) and hoped that nobody would notice. ycombinator user JoukeH noticed.

Realize that he has probably promised to endorse Andresen's block chain scaling preferences and thus probably why Gavin wants him to be Satoshi:

Andresen’s only attempt at an explanation for Wright’s bizarre behavior, he says, is an ambivalence about definitively revealing himself after so many years in hiding. “I think the most likely explanation is that … he really doesn’t want to take on the mantle of being the inventor of Bitcoin,” says Andresen, who notes that his own credibility is at stake, too. “Maybe he wants things to be really weird and unclear, which would be bad for me.”

That uncertainty, Andresen says, seemed to be evident in Wright’s manner at the time of their demonstration. Andresen describes Wright as seeming “sad” and “overwhelmed” by the decision to come forward. “His voice was breaking.

Remember that after his death, David Kleiman's family recovered his USB flash drive and gave it to Craig Wright. Thus likely Craig Wright may have an unpublished transaction but not the actual private key. So he may be about to fool the world into thinking he is Satoshi, or making some proof that he was the man behind the man who was the real Satoshi.

[TPTB_need_war]

No - what Craig did was grab an existing signature used by Satoshi and pretend he had created it to sign a document by Sartre (which is fraud and even Gavin is not sure what on earth to make of that).

And he *is* claiming to be Satoshi (which is why he asked Gavin to come and *verify* his claim).

Also - why are you posting the exact same thing in multiple topics?

Re-read my post, you didn't seem to understand it. Craig has not said he is Satoshi. Find a quote where he said that. You won't. He has always said it was his colleague.

And with his access to a supercomputer, it is plausible he was able to reverse the hash in order to find a text that matched the signature that was already on the blockchain. Without that explanation, then he must have the private key! You seem to not understand the technology. 

I am replying to every topic where my post is relevant. I am not the one who created so many duplicate topics.

I am replying to every topic where my post is relevant. I am not the one who created so many duplicate topics.

It isn't relevant and it is just spamming (you could start your own topic of course).

And if he was saying that he just knew Satoshi and is not Satoshi then why does Gavin come out this "meeting" saying that he is Satoshi (surely he would  have told Gavin it was his friend and not him).

You are just butthurt.

It is very relevant.

Craig has played Gavin. He knows Gavin needs support for his preferences for the block scaling debate.

[CIYAM]

And now this idiot is putting my quote into every single topic as well.

What a tool!

(well - I'm not going to follow around posting into every single CW topic like @TBTB so I'll just let him play his babyish games)

[toknormal]

You need to remember that Craig Wright has never claimed he is Satoshi Nakamoto

In the video halfway down this page (captioned "Australian entrepreneur Craig Wright says he is Mr Bitcoin"), at timecount 0:18 the conversation goes like this:

Reporter: "So you're going to show me that Satoshi Nakamoto is you"
Craig Wright: "Yes"

I'd say that sounded pretty much like he's claiming he's Satoshi Nakamoto, wouldn't you ?